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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
There was a banger of an outbreak in Germany about... 15 years ago?

The German government did their thing of tracing the outbreak and all that, and they reported that the most likely cause of the outbreak was migrant seasonal workers, hired to pick crops, refusing to use the toilet facilities on site because they were paid by weight-picked, and stopping to walk to the toilets and back cost them money.

The overwhelming majority of UK fruit and vegetable produce is picked by migrant seasonal workers. You'll remember the government had to give them a special exemption from, er, any form of immigration control in 2017 and onwards, because otherwise the UK's crops were going to literally rot in the fields. Pre-Brexit, the farmers just gave six to twelve weeks' work to the gypsies, I mean the Romanians and Bulgarians, but now they need a special class exemption to bring over thousands of unskilled peasant workers every spring, summer and autumn, to sleep ten to a room.

Anyway, I digress. The UK has a different solution to the problem of toileting its vast migrant agricultural workforce.

The farmers aren't legally required to provide any toilet facilities, so... they don't. Or handwashing facilities. The pickers just drop trou and shit directly amidst the produce, and then keep right on picking with their shit-covered hands. This is the normal state of production and packing of our native produce. Covered in smears of gypsy shit.

It's actually testament to the amount of irradiation, I mean 'cold pasteurisation' that UK produce goes through that big e.coli outbreaks aren't more common. Mild 'food poisoning' is usually put down to dodgy meat by the public, but the major vector for it is fruit and vegetables.

This is why I eat mostly chips.
My German is just okayish.


The English Wikipedia entry mentioned human feces as likely source, but not migrant workers in Germany. Everyone else seems to have come to the conclusion that the infection was already within the shipment of the sprouts from Egypt.


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If he's been interested in bondage for ten years why is it weird he owns bondage equipment?
Mate, if you actually believe he bought restraints because he likes bondage, and chloroform to clean a spill I've got a real nice bridge you might wanna have a look at buying.

Wandsworth was trending on Twatter earlier because people were joking about getting themselves sent down after a video was leaked of a screw shagging a prisoner: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c047nnjgdp4o

A prison officer has been reported to police over a social media video allegedly showing a member of staff having sex with an inmate in a jail cell.
The Metropolitan Police said it had been made aware of the video reportedly filmed at Wandsworth Prison, in south-west London.
The Met said no arrests had been made and added that it was in contact with the Ministry of Justice over the matter.
HM Prison Service said "staff corruption is not tolerated and the former prison officer allegedly featured in this video has been reported to the police".

'Urgent notification'​

"It would be inappropriate to comment further while they investigate," the Prison Service added.
In May, an "urgent notification" about conditions at HMP Wandsworth was issued by chief inspector of prisons Charlie Taylor.
It came after inspectors found Wandsworth was stricken with severe overcrowding, vermin and rising violence among inmates.
HM Inspectorate of Prisons has declined to comment due to the pre-election period.
She doesn't even try and hide her face, or her badge number in the vid. Imagine being such a retarded cunt that you've not just thrown your job, but your freedom away, by having a turbo woman moment.
 
The warning signs were not exactly subtle.

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I spent many hours when all this was pushed through sperging at people that it would end up with anything offensive at all being criminalised and then anything that was ‘not to the liking of power’. Rowan Atkinson had some really great words to say about all this I think as well - mainly in the context of Blair’s religious hatred bill. All ignored
I'm more partial to The Sweeney myself, I prefer my coppers loud and violent.
Cracker was great. I really liked the rebus ones with Ken stott as well. The new ones aren’t as good. Loved morse, John thaw was great.
So that will be the ConForm party?
Recon would be cooler
 
She doesn't even try and hide her face, or her badge number in the vid. Imagine being such a retarded cunt that you've not just thrown your job, but your freedom away, by having a turbo woman moment.
Guaranteed she sues for unfair dismissal. But you thinking she'll see jail for this is wild optimism.
I spent many hours when all this was pushed through sperging at people that it would end up with anything offensive at all being criminalised and then anything that was ‘not to the liking of power’. Rowan Atkinson had some really great words to say about all this I think as well - mainly in the context of Blair’s religious hatred bill. All ignored
The amount of people who hear "we're doing this to protect vulnerable groups" and then immediately stop thinking about what could actually be done with what's happening terrifies me. I'm shockingly luck with my current colleagues but before too much longer I'll end up in another role with people I can't trust during Labour's next run when they crank this shit up again, at which point while I may not see thought crime jail I sure as hell will be losing my job with a single wrong word.

It'll all backfire on them eventually.
 
The free speech situation in the UK is sounding like a Humza Yousaf shopping list:
> England...shite
> Scotland...shite
> Wales...shite
> Ireland...soon to be shite.
You're a bit out of date if you think Ireland is not already shite.

Weirdly on a technical level we do have free speech. You just have to have the money to fight it.
That smug "It is an offense to cause offense" thing I posted? Apologies from the bosses within days admitting, through clenched teeth, that they were full of shit. Call a trans woman a man and other gender critical stuff? Repeatedly defeated in courts with judges saying people do not have a right to not be offended. None crime hate incidents? Defeated again and again with judges calling it bullshit. Humza's hate crime laws? JK wiped her backside with them on day one when it comes to the trans women and I suspect anyone who can fight them is going to point right to that if charged.

The problem is as ever the process is the punishment. If you have to go to court and fight for half a decade to get "fine, your prior employer should not have fired you, your views are protected and you are entitled to compensation" that remains a massive upheaval and mud sticks. To say nothing of the fact that it does nothing for the next person they do it to.
 
The problem is as ever the process is the punishment
Even then it's not all roses
  • 2012: Paul Chambers made a joke on Twitter in response to Robin Hood Airport cancelling flights. He said that unless the facility resolved the problem within a week, he would be "blowing the airport sky high". After an off-duty manager discovered the post, Chambers was arrested by anti-terror police. He was found guilty, lost his job and was ordered to pay a £385 fine and £600 in costs. However, after a strong public outcry and three appeals, the case was eventually overturned.
  • 2014: A Lincolnshire man was charged with being grossly offensive after posting a photograph of a police officer on social media, with two phalluses drawn on it. The offending picture was passed on to Lincolnshire Police, who arrested the 20-year-old. He was ordered to pay £400 in compensation to the officer in question, in addition to £85 costs and a £60 victim surcharge.
  • 2017: R v Mwaikambo where a 43-year-old man posted one video and seven pictures of a victim of the Grenfell Tower fire to his Facebook account. Notable in this case was the rapidity of conviction: the fire occurred on 14 June and the case was heard but two days later. Mwaikambo was sentenced to three months in prison.
  • 2018: Mark Meechan, a comedian and social commentator, was convicted under the Communications Act in 2018. He had made a video demonstrating how he had trained his girlfriend's dog to perform a Nazi salute upon hearing the phrase "Sieg Heil" and to respond to being asked if he wanted to "gas the Jews". Even though Meechan said that he was not actually racist and that it was a joke intended to annoy his girlfriend, the court found him guilty of being "grossly offensive" on 20 March. He was fined £800 at Airdrie Sheriff Court on 23 April 2018.
  • 2018: A Merseyside woman was convicted under the Communications Act for posting rap lyrics on Instagram which were deemed 'racist', due to them including racially charged language. Chelsea Russell had used lyrics from a Snap Dogg song as a tribute to a boy who died in a road accident. She was sentenced to an eight-week community order, along with an eight-week curfew. She was also ordered to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge. Her conviction was quashed on appeal in February 2019.
  • 2020: Kate Scottow was convicted in February 2020 for tweeting transphobic insults. This conviction was quashed on appeal in December 2020.
A couple are listed as being quashed and I'm not familiar with how hard the defendant fought for most of these but I'm pretty sure Dankula tried every possible avenue of appeal for his nazi pug conviction and got denied.
 
Oh no, the middle class kids are being told they have to move on the 2 days a year they get feet muddy. This is totally a news story and we don't have more pressing issues than a bunch of old slags pretending any one cares about their music.

What is being covered up if they're making this much noise over these bitches?
 
I’d still do the redhead. They make Siobhan Donaghy wear baggy clothes to hide that she’s the only one of the three who never became a pie monster.

Also, her solo stuff was pretty good.
This is a recent photo of her.
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Pie-monster she is not.

I wouldn't ordinarily tangent much but Lord knows we need a break from the Doomposting sometimes. Glastonbury used to be a huge deal in Bongland. At least in the South. Kind of exploded in the Nineties. But whilst I'm admittedly older now so less likely to, I've barely heard anybody mention it this year. Looking at the line-up this year and last, it feels like it's more of an old person thing now - I mean, I liked Shania Twain. But neither she, nor Cyndi Lauper nor the Sugarbabes scream cool to me. More just comfy time for the mid-Forties. Nothing wrong with that but it's vaguely amusing to see the BBC doing headlines on it.

EDIT:
My ex-girlfriend came round last night.

That's the last time I buy Tesco Value Chloroform.
Took me a second! :D
 
Nothing wrong with that but it's vaguely amusing to see the BBC doing headlines on it.
The BBC is staffed largely by people who grew up during the rise and height of "Glasto", so it's a huge nostalgia thing for them. They can't let go of it, because doing so would require them to realise that they're growing. It would also force them to examine their prior choices and realise that everything is kind of shit as a direct result of the sort of people who made glastonbury, a gigantic celebration of personal excess and corporate conformity disguised as individualist rebellion, into a cultural phenomenon.
 
You're a bit out of date if you think Ireland is not already shite.

Weirdly on a technical level we do have free speech. You just have to have the money to fight it.
That smug "It is an offense to cause offense" thing I posted? Apologies from the bosses within days admitting, through clenched teeth, that they were full of shit. Call a trans woman a man and other gender critical stuff? Repeatedly defeated in courts with judges saying people do not have a right to not be offended. None crime hate incidents? Defeated again and again with judges calling it bullshit. Humza's hate crime laws? JK wiped her backside with them on day one when it comes to the trans women and I suspect anyone who can fight them is going to point right to that if charged.

The problem is as ever the process is the punishment. If you have to go to court and fight for half a decade to get "fine, your prior employer should not have fired you, your views are protected and you are entitled to compensation" that remains a massive upheaval and mud sticks. To say nothing of the fact that it does nothing for the next person they do it to.
Yes - the main problem's not really with the law, or the judges, but the police. They badly need to be reformed, to be told to enforce the law as it is rather than as they think it should be. But none of the parties are interested in that.
They do need to reform the Communications Act, though - it was originally brought in in the 1930s to protect the young girls working as telephone operators from sex pests. Now it seem it only gets used to criminalize people saying mean things online.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c727xz2kkgjo

Becky Morton
Political reporter
Published 29 June 2024, 12:57 BST

Reform UK has dropped three of its candidates following reports they had made offensive or racist comments, a spokesman has said.
Edward Oakenfull, who is standing in Derbyshire Dales; Robert Lomas, a candidate in Barnsley North, and Leslie Lilley, standing in Southend East and Rochford, will still appear on the ballot paper as Reform candidates as it is too late for them to be removed.
A Reform spokesman said if any of the three were elected they would sit as independent MPs.
However, he said people should still vote for the candidates if they wished to register support for Reform.
It comes after leader Nigel Farage disowned the candidates during an appearance on BBC Question Time on Friday evening, when their remarks were put to him.
Mr Farage told the programme: "I want nothing to do with them."
Asked what Reform would say to voters in the constituencies where the candidates had been dropped, the party spokesman said he would “encourage them to vote for the party, by voting for these people on the ballot paper".
This way, he said people could still vote for Reform's "policy platform".
He added: "I’m not saying the situation is ideal, but the size of the Reform vote share nationally is what matters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crggy73m2ero
Warning: This story contains language that may offend
Mr Oakenfull posted derogatory comments about the IQ of sub-Saharan Africans on social media last year. He previously told the BBC the remarks had been taken out of context.
Mr Lomas reportedly said black people should "get off [their] lazy arses" and stop acting "like savages". The comments were reported by the Times on 8 June, with Reform at the time claiming they were "out of context part quotations" and it needed more time to respond.
Mr Lilley reportedly described people arriving on small boats as "scum" in a social media post, adding: "I hope your family get robbed, beaten or attacked."
Asked about the comments on a BBC Question Times Leaders' Special, Mr Farage said: "You get people in all parties saying bad things and wrong things."
However, he argued this was partly the consequence of having to find candidates quickly following the surprise announcement that there would be a general election in July.

Since the start of the election campaign, Reform has faced persistent questions over its selection of candidates, after numerous examples of offensive social media posts emerged.
All the main parties have had to drop potential parliamentary candidates over inappropriate comments, however this has been the case for more Reform candidates than other parties.
The party has blamed a company it hired to conduct background checks on would-be candidates, claiming it failed to carry out vetting before the election was called.
Mr Farage also faced angry questions from the Question Time audience about a recording broadcast by Channel 4 which showed Andrew Parker, a canvasser for Reform UK, using a racist term about Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
On Friday Mr Sunak said it made him "angry" that his daughters had to see a Reform campaigner using racist language about him.
Mr Farage described the comments as a "tirade of invective abuse" but suggested the man may have been paid and claimed it was "a political setup of astonishing proportions".
Reform UK said it had reported Channel 4 to the elections watchdog, the Electoral Commission, for alleged election interference.
The party said it would also be demanding an investigation by media regulator Ofcom.
On Friday, Channel 4 News said it stood by its "rigorous and duly impartial journalism", adding that it met Mr Parker for the first time at Reform UK party headquarters and had not paid him any money.
In a statement, Mr Parker said he wanted to "apologise profusely to Nigel Farage and the Reform Party if my personal views have reflected badly on them and brought them into disrepute as this was not my intention".
Essex Police had said they were "urgently assessing" comments in the programme "to establish if there are any criminal offences".
In a later statement, Hertfordshire Police said they arrested a man in his 60s on Saturday "on suspicion of causing a public order offence. Following further review and liaison with Essex Police he is being released with no further action”.
A Reform spokesman confirmed that another individual filmed in Channel 4's undercover report, George Jones, was a genuine party volunteer.
In the footage, Mr Jones, a longtime party activist who organises events for Mr Farage, calls a Pride flag on a police car a "degenerate flag".
He repeatedly suggests members of the LGBT+ community are paedophiles and criticises police attending Pride.
The spokesperson said "you can’t sack a volunteer" but that Mr Jones was "no longer involved in the campaign", adding: "He’s gone."
Asked if Reform UK and Mr Farage would also say they wanted nothing to do with Mr Jones in the light of his remarks, the spokesperson said there was a "difference" between Mr Jones’ case and that of Mr Parker.
Both individuals were no longer part of the campaign, he said, but Mr Jones was previously known to Reform UK and his remarks were "much more banterish", while they had no idea who Mr Parker was and his comments were "far beyond the pale".
Mr Farage has previously described Mr Jones's comments as "vulgar, drunk and wrong".
Both Labour and the Conservatives criticised Mr Farage's leadership of Reform UK on Saturday.
Security minister Tom Tugendhat told Times Radio there was a "pattern of racist and misogynistic views" within Reform UK, and said Mr Farage had "clearly done almost no due diligence on who he's asking to carry his message".
Sir Keir Starmer praised the prime minister's public criticism of Mr Farage and said "I share his disgust".
The Labour leader said Mr Farage had failed to address the "tone, the culture and the standards" of his party.

So why are the BBC and Channel 4 so concerned about Reform ? Anyone would think they are worried.
Be interesting to see how Ofcom whitewash ( I'm sure there is a more politically correct term ) the investigation.
Whilst obviously I don't advocate it, I do wonder how long it is before one of these propaganda news outlets is attacked.
 
So why are the BBC and Channel 4 so concerned about Reform ?
The did the exact same thing to UKIP during the European elections. UKIP were on the cusp of turning into a real party.

The media made that entire election about whether or not it was good to want to rape Jess Philips. This sank UKIP but backfired and allowed the Brexit Party to trounce everyone.

It worked the last time but people might see a media sticth up now. There is also no other non-establishment party to give a protest vote to.

This election is very strange and I won’t be placing any bets on the outcome.
 
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