US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Well, also remember that I’m this thread’s resident positive Polly. I think revolution is possible but only ~15% of the US population are currently in a revolutionary spirit. That means the rest are niggercattle to one degree or another and need to wake the fuck up.

Usually you only need about 15%. Majority of revolutions aren't widely supported by 50% of the population or more.

 

[AnotherPleb]

It's been whispered that the rumored deal that she would be allowed to go back to the Senate after Biden's term was up was rescinded and she was told she was being thrown away with an emphasis on being told "Fuck off, your career is done cum dumpster". No consulting job, no book deal (since she knows too much about how fucked up the Bidens admin was), and no media gig; just being told to fuck off because the DNC doesn't want to deal with her anymore.

As such, her only hope to stay in politics is to force out Biden and then gangpress the DNC to go all in on keeping her in office via re-election.

It makes far more sense when you keep in mind it's Jill making the calls here. There's nothing a woman hates more than another younger and better looking woman in direct competition, even if it's a 4/10 versus a 4.5/10 that gives great head.

The bureaucracy will take advantage of that to stop anything done by Trump from becoming real.

Look at what just happened to Chevron deference yesterday.. The bureaucracy is set to get its shit stomped in.

 

[General Disarray]

I'm still wondering why pundits haven't just POUNCED on Biden's rambling about rapists ackshually being "in-laws, spouses, brothers, sisters...." He really said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't just incoherent mumblings, they really need to drill down as to why he went directly to family members, especially IN-LAWS, also being violent rapists as his central argument to the immigration question.

 

[Absolutego]

I'm still wondering why pundits haven't just POUNCED on Biden's rambling about rapists ackshually being "in-laws, spouses, brothers, sisters...." He really said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't just incoherent mumblings, they really need to drill down as to why he went directly to family members, especially IN-LAWS, also being violent rapists as his central argument to the immigration question.

Even with the horrible implications behind that talking point for Biden specifically, that wasn't even in the top 5 crazy nonsense statements Biden made in the debate, people have bigger fish to fry.

 

[Jaimas]

There's something wrong with a party that can't produce a bench of candidate hopefuls.

GOP has been a shitshow since the 80s but there is always someone who's a household name ready to jump in the captain's chair.

This is what the main job of a party HQ is for. It's to develop that talent, find the stars and move them up and out. The second part is to collect the checks and beg for dollars. The DNC literally does jack shit: the money-raising is all outsourced to high impact influencers and they run a nub of an office. They handle most of the messaging over VOIP rooms. They rely on osmosis for candidate development which is why they have none—that's how Progressives even managed to get a foot in the door in the first place.

Dean, Hillary, and Socialists: Those are the biggest three reasons for the DNC's ongoing leadership vaccuum.

After the Dems' loss in 2004, Howard Dean managed to wrangle his way into DNC leadership, and switched to the 50-state strategy - meaning, instead of targetted focusing on battleground states (something that has not worked for the Dems in decades), they would run candidates in all 50 states. The establishment class fucking hated this - while it worked, it also vastly raised the chances of outsider candidates getting on the ballot, which is something the DNC would not abide, but the bigger problem is that a lot of the candidates they could get were the likes of the Blue Dogs. @Gehenna has rightly pointed out that in all likelihood, the 50-state strat would only work once, and while cost was a factor, the biggest reason it only worked once was because many of the newcomers were the exact breed of politician that was already having trouble in the Dems at the local level - reliably voting for establishment concerns like Obamacare and very little else. No one wanted fucking runs-as-a-Dem-but-governs-Neocon Lite. This vulnerability led to them taking enormous losses over the next three electoral cycles, ultimately losing control of congress in 2012.

Hillary is the biggest reason. She was granted pretty much unilateral control over the DNC after her loss in 2008, courtesy of her insane backers threatening to effectively upend their parts of the Dems if they weren't appeased (you can ask @AnOminous about this). The goal was making absolutely sure she couldn't lose the nomination in 2016 the way she had in 2008 when Obama slingshotted past her and secured such a massive advantage that her winning became mathematically impossible almost immediately. Hillary put a series of useful idiots in major party positions in the DNC, and she went forward with the full intention of excising any party element that wasn't completely loyal to her by cutting their funding off from the DNC while financing their primary opponents (who naturally, were loyal to Hillary). Hillary doing this utterly fucked the party's personnel apparatus, as it purged many of the lifer data-analyst types in favor of Progs who would do what they were told. Now factor in the massive economic costs Hillary herself and Obama forced onto the DNC and you have a hilariously underfunded agency staffed mostly with useful idiots, and "IT'S HER TURN!!" is the fucking reason for it.

The third reason is that Dem financiers (both big-ticket and the likes of Soros) and groups like the Justice Democrats, in direct response to what I posted above, began targetting the successors to the mainstay Dem leadership. Those big politicians were functionally untouchable, but the people they were grooming to take their place sure as shit weren't - these groups would be the ones who helped harpoon Anthony Weiner's career (he was being set up as Pelosi's heir-apparent), and when they succeeded, who they installed were hard-left crazies like AOC and the Squad, who both immediately purged normies at the local level, forcing the top brass to stay on longer, and in turn, made them more vulnerable to extortion - after all, these groups can kill off vulnerable pols with further primary challenges if they didn't toe the line.

All of this is entirely self-inflicted. Have no pity for them, they deserve none.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[Celebrate Nite]

If Trump was based as libtards and cuckservatives made him sound like.

New York would be great again

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Random realization: CNN had a 2 minute delay set up for the debate, yeah?

... What do you want to bet they blew through that before each commercial break trying to hide the worst parts of Biden? Or do you think they just gave up ~10 minutes in when it became obvious it was a clusterfuck that they'll be studying in schools someday?

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Or do you think they just gave up ~10 minutes in when it became obvious it was a clusterfuck that they'll be studying in schools someday?

I assume you mean college? Even then that's a BIG "if".

Bold of you to think actual public schools will go anywhere near this. They will just continue to teach kids about Wigwams and Mongolians for the 23849843782467th time.

 

[Absolutego]

Hillary doing this utterly fucked the party's personnel apparatus, as it purged many of the lifer data-analyst types in favor of Progs who would do what they were told.

It's more that she totally overcorrected from 2012, which led to the purges and progs coming in. I can't express how much damage Nate Silver actually did to the DNC, entirely by accident.
When he predicted every major race in that election except the Senatorial race in Missouri (granted it was the most predictable election cycle in recent memory) with advanced analytics he styled from his previous gig as a sports better, that combined with Obama crediting his 2012 victory to a refined social media strategy convinced Hillary and her camp of two things:
- The ground game is for suckers, I can win with facebook and twitter to GOTV
- Pencil-necked math majors who do big data analytics all day will find the important districts for me to flood with ads and drive my campaign messaging.

So she gets the nerdiest guy who worked for her (Robby Mook) to be her campaign manager, he hires a bunch of Silver acolytes to copy what Nate did at 538, and she got rid of all the ground game experts. It didn't help that the GOTV specialists were the ones most likely to be more conservative and tell her to do things she hates like going out in public and interacting with the plebs. But it's not like she intentionally screened for progs. She isn't a progressive, outside of women's issues and that's just because crying about her vagina is her go-to response to any criticism. The people she was hiring to run the campaign from New York were just all recent grads from Ivies and were therefore hardcore progs.

 

[quaawaa]

New York would be great again
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Trump's plan to rebuild the Twin Towers but bigger was so much better than the giant pits, fish skeleton, and generic tower they built instead.

 

[Michael Wade]

Random realization: CNN had a 2 minute delay set up for the debate, yeah?

... What do you want to bet they blew through that before each commercial break trying to hide the worst parts of Biden? Or do you think they just gave up ~10 minutes in when it became obvious it was a clusterfuck that they'll be studying in schools someday?

There was just one thing they were able to hide far as I could tell. Biden picking his nose.

That was about it.



It's wild how people realizing they lied about Bidens health is actually starting to wake up some normies. Give me rainbows but I just saw one guy realize they were lying about trump and the fine people.

There's also some people wondering exactly what trump was lying about and why they can't specify the lies.

 

[clipartfan92]

You've only been here since June 12.

You need to work on your observational skills if you really think that's the case. Users that make ~50 posts per day on average aren't new, regardless of their user join date.

 

[Random Internet Person]

THE DEMS’ TITANIC DISASTER​

Cartoon published 06/29/2024

Joe Biden promised he would serve only one term, but here he is trying to serve a second one. This has caused a great disturbance in the Democrat dark force. After Joe’s disastrous debate performance, many top leaders in the party are calling for him to step down. That might prove to be a difficult task because Joe is a power-hungry, sociopathic narcissist. Or it could simply be due to Jill Biden. She likes being First Lady and she might even be pulling some of Joe’s policy strings. (She might pulling up his diaper as well, who knows?)

The Democrats know Joe’s chances are sinking fast and the time to replace him is fading fast. Many states will not accept changes to their ballots unless Joe is dead. Uh oh—is that HIllary we see waiting in the wings?


Joe is thick-headed, unaware, and insulated. He may not even realize that he’s becoming increasingly unpopular. All he has to do is get on stage and flash a toothy smile while using the same old rote talking points and lies. His self image is based in delusion—he considers himself to be an expert golfer with a low handicap. He likes to repeat how he was a star receiver who had an appointment to Annapolis. He has told so many lies about his past that they have become reality to him.

He has dementia, which prevents him from being firmly grounded in reality. He might be oblivious to the fact that people—even people in his own party—do not want him to serve a second term when his current one is already a disaster. We are already close to nuclear war with Russia. Does anyone want Joe close to the nuclear launch button?

Barack Obama needs to be firm and tell Joe that he needs to step down. If that doesn’t work. Joe will listen to Jill. The Democrats need to put pressure on her. She is the one that can make Joe step down but her love of power and status will hinder this route.

We all make fun of Joe freezing on camera as he exhibits a blank and unblinking stare, but it’s not funny anymore. Joe is sinking and he can’t swim. He doesn’t need to drag the entire country down with him.

— Ben Garrison

 

[Vic Viper T301]

There's also some people wondering exactly what trump was lying about and why they can't specify the lies.

I'm surprised we haven't gotten a lot of cope about Trump's weird statement about "the best environment numbers ever" or whatever he said which was clearly pulled from his ass on the spot, but I guess it's factor of just how awful Biden looked that it's not even a topic of discussion for their spin doctors to seize on.

 

[The best and greatest]

SO!
In hindsight who here still thinks this debate would have gone better if trump was allowed to go full-retard and interrupt the entire time?

 

[Vic Viper T301]

SO!
In hindsight who here still thinks this debate would have gone better if trump was allowed to go full-retard and interrupt the entire time?

Trump would have been even more dominant, but in a way that would make him look even worse to a particular demographic. That demographic is probably people who hate him already anyway though. So I think it would have been a wash in terms of impact overall, but more entertaining for us.
Edit: Actually thinking longer than my knee jerk reaction, Biden several times needing to be reminded that he still has time to answer his question (Trump got this too but I think it was more "You dodged this question completely" and less "Sir, you've got more time to make your case" from the mods) was a really bad look, and just letting him ramble made him look bad. But still, hard to say. Trump had a lot of zingers as the format was, he could have had more.

 

[The Great Citracett]

Remember, Joe won the debate by losing the debate. Don't forget who else was a good speaker...

 

[Barry McKockner]

I just had kind of a sobering thought. I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this but I haven't really seen it discussed. What if Biden refuses to step down?

No, not from the Democratic candidacy. From the Presidency. There was always a lot of fear mongering that Trump would refuse to peacefully transfer power after the election. But in the end, after exhausting every available legal remedy, he took the L. Given Biden's recent behavior, I think there's a non-zero chance he would just straight up refuse to accept a loss to Trump.

What happens then?

The president's tenure constitutionally ends on January 20th after an election, so no president HAS to step down for power to be transferred. The existing president loses all powers immediately. In other words, all of the fear mongering about "OMG, TRUMP COULD REFUSE TO STEP DOWN" is meaningless because the process of loss of presidential power is automatic, not reliant upon an action.

 

[The best and greatest]

Trump would have been even more dominant, but in a way that would make him look even worse to a particular demographic. That demographic is probably people who hate him already anyway though. So I think it would have been a wash in terms of impact overall, but more entertaining for us.
Edit: Actually thinking longer than my knee jerk reaction, Biden several times needing to be reminded that he still has time to answer his question (Trump got this too but I think it was more "You dodged this question completely" and less "Sir, you've got more time to make your case" from the mods) was a really bad look, and just letting him ramble made him look bad. But still, hard to say. Trump had a lot of zingers as the format was, he could have had more.

I think this debate went about as well for Trump as it possibly could have and 'letting trump be trump' could have only hurt him more than it would have helped. Setting aside the optics of bullying a mentally disabled old man, it would have been equivalent to blowing his load early when there's still months of campaigning left.

Now the next debate is another matter...