US "We are f***ed": Democrats despair over Biden debate performance

From CNN's Kasie Hunt
24 min ago

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Biden speaks during the CNN Presidential Debate on Thursday. John Nowak/CNN

Democrats are despairing over President Joe Biden’s debate performance Thursday night, a showing so halting some even privately raised questions about whether he should remain the party’s nominee.

Biden appeared onstage with a soft, halting voice and an open-mouthed, staring look. He struggled to finish thoughts at points, and ceded ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

It took just minutes for Democrats to realize how bad it was becoming.

“Biden looks and sounds terrible. He’s incoherent,” one Democrat who spent time working in the Biden administration said.

“Horrific,” said another Democratic operative.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f***ed.”

The looming question as the debate came to a close was almost existential: Should someone else top the Democratic ticket?

“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

This debate was historic for many reasons, but not least because it is taking place before each man is formally nominated at their respective conventions. The Democratic National Convention is set to convene August 19 in Chicago.

Democrats have spent much of the past year handwringing about Biden’s chances of beating Trump in an election many view as an existential one that will decide the very survival of American democracy. But Biden himself was determined to be the one to take on Trump, at one point even saying directly: “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running.”

No serious Democratic challengers stepped up to run against Biden, and at this point in the campaign he’d have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

Democrats were even talking about who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

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he wasn't convicted of anything that people would morally outraged over (like if he banged or killed a kid or something)
Well, if they replace Joe with Hunter, Hunter actually DID have hints that he not only banged a kid, but also did coke with a then 16 year old Malia Obama.

Pretty sure one of the pictures pulled off of that laptop is literally Malia Obama's credit card.
 
The right has tried to organize many times. Militias, the Tea Party, you name it. The reason it goes nowhere is there's no power backing it, and in fact, our side's faction in government regards it as their #1 duty to break up any nascent right-wing organization. They send out grifters to bleed the organizations dry of money, they pass bipartisan laws to ban what we're doing, and they step aside while the law is used in its full force against us. There have been some successes, like pro-life and 2A organizing.

The reason the left gets away with things like barricading federal agents in a building and setting it on fire, trying to storm the White House, busting up a Senator's ribs, or trying to kill somebody with a bike lock, is their allies in government ensure that there aren't consequences. The reason antifa terror cells operate in the USA is the same reason Muslim rape gangs operate in the UK - there is official support for them.

I guarantee you that if smacking a bluehaired SJW on the head with a bike lock resulted in nothing more than a suspended community service sentence, this would be a very different country.
The problem is funding. The loony Left has billionaires now, a lot of them, and they have no problem funding their grassroots movements with hundreds of millions of dollars. The Right's billionaires would rather buy a 4th or 5th Gulfstream.
 
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The problem is funding. The loony Left has billionaires now, a lot of them, and they have no problem funding their grassroots movements with hundreds of millions of dollars. The Right's billionaires would rather buy a 4th or 5th Gulfstream.
There were lots of small dollars in the Tea Party. The GOP deployed scam PACs, the sort that spend 100% of donations on salaries and 0% on elections, to suck up all the money and neutralize the movement. The GOP's really effect at shutting down its voters.
 
There were lots of small dollars in the Tea Party. The GOP deployed scam PACs, the sort that spend 100% of donations on salaries and 0% on elections, to suck up all the money and neutralize the movement. The GOP's really effect at shutting down its voters.
The Tea Party was stillborn because every failed reject that couldn't cut it in the establishment GOP immediately hijacked it for their own gain and nobody could stop them.
 
The Tea Party was stillborn for many reasons, not the least of which being that they were fringy as fuck.

I don't say this from a totally naive position, I've been to their meetings before.

But it seems like their base position is "This is all about to burn the fuck down and after the ashes have cooled, we're going to..."

They're the right wing Antifa.

It seems to me like the big failure of fringy shit in the US is that saying "It's all gonna burn" and investing in political power are inherently at odds.
 
The Tea Party was stillborn for many reasons, not the least of which being that they were fringy as fuck.

I don't say this from a totally naive position, I've been to their meetings before.

But it seems like their base position is "This is all about to burn the fuck down and after the ashes have cooled, we're going to..."

They're the right wing Antifa.

It seems to me like the big failure of fringy shit in the US is that saying "It's all gonna burn" and investing in political power are inherently at odds.
Bystander Effect?
 
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The Tea Party was stillborn for many reasons, not the least of which being that they were fringy as fuck.

I don't say this from a totally naive position, I've been to their meetings before.

But it seems like their base position is "This is all about to burn the fuck down and after the ashes have cooled, we're going to..."

They're the right wing Antifa.

It seems to me like the big failure of fringy shit in the US is that saying "It's all gonna burn" and investing in political power are inherently at odds.
I don't think that is a good comparison.
While TeaParty was a protest to "don't vote for neo-cons" , I do not recall them doing riots, burning and looting businesses or straight out murdering people in broad daylight, like antifa did.

You seriously need to sit down and re-evaluate your moral compass if you think TeaParty and Antifa are equivalent.
I will fucking pray for you but you are borderline insane here.
 
They're the right wing Antifa.
No, the TEA Party was the right wing Occupy. And it was killed largely by the same methods.

There hasn't been a right wing Antifa. The Proud Boys and similar groups were quasi-attempts at that, but lacked the conviction to carry through and were largely a fake grifter org to begin with.

The right simply doesn't have the institutional power to get away with their own version of Antifa, and the conservative default towards peace and respect of authority makes it largely impossible to ever form a real Antifa-analogue anyway.
 
I know I am late to the party, but what was the plan here? No really. It's one thing for the low level guys to not see how far gone Biden was, but surely the people who handle him on a day-to-day basis knew this was going to be a disaster. Couldn't they have avoided anything this public until November until they push him though the election or they wanted to get this over quick to grab someone else for a candidate?
 
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I know I am late to the party, but what was the plan here? No really. It's one thing for the low level guys to not see how far gone Biden was, but surely the people who handle him on a day-to-day basis knew this was going to be a disaster. Couldn't they have avoided anything this public until November until they push him though the election or they wanted to get this over quick to grab someone else for a candidate?
They likely believed they could fake it well enough with drugs. We saw Biden was more life-like in events after the debate, but Trump curse caused his meds to not be effective when they needed them to be so the mask was off. As to why they aren't trying to hide like in 2020, they can't. Trump called them out, and without a good reason, flaking on that challenge would have made Biden look weak.
 
They likely believed they could fake it well enough with drugs. We saw Biden was more life-like in events after the debate, but Trump curse caused his meds to not be effective when they needed them to be so the mask was off. As to why they aren't trying to hide like in 2020, they can't. Trump called them out, and without a good reason, flaking on that challenge would have made Biden look weak.
It was even more that they issued the challenge. They gave this whole list of conditions that Trump ha to acquiesce to... and trump happily agreed, which threw them off. they may not have believed everything said about biden, but they definitely believed everything they said about trump, and the trump in their head was a petulant manbaby who'd have a hissy fit the moment things didn't go his way.
 
You know, I've held back on even stating an opinion on the debate at all, because as bad as it went for the Biden/DNC camp, I'm still not really sure how much it will really even matter come November. This really isn't a Trump V Biden election, it's more a contest of an entrenched power structure vs one that wants to take it over and more or less stymie the radical left infiltration. The right is on their back foot to be generous, given what the radicals on the left have accomplished in terms and ways of subverting institutional power. Without powerleveling much, I used to be part of a loose group that was dedicated to eradicating right wing control and financing of court systems in the deep south, but I was forced out by ideologues bent on trying to replace it with people who wound up being literal commies who are to this day trying to undermine everything from the power network to the water supply. All for ideology. All for political power. These people couldn't manage a wet paper bag, but now, they hold institutional power over multiple communities via public works. Needless to say, that was never my intent, I wanted to break the stranglehold a few corrupt right wing assholes had, but no one realized what the assholes on the left would even do. A teaching moment.

That was an obtuse way to get to Biden and what his admin represents. If you have been watching, the Biden presidency has been a few years of covering for them under the guise of progressive left wing dribble. No one on the center left was even happy he was the only one anointed as "not Trump", as if Trump was even an effective president to begin with. I knew in 2020 that the whole thing was a farce. I also knew that in the wake of the dissolution/destruction of the Clinton's political power in 2016, that the left had basically no one to really put on the ballot, because the Clinton machine made anyone who would do anything for the people persona non grata, for a lot of reasons it would take me far to long to get into in a single post here. And you have Obama worship too. I voted McCain even though I never liked him because Obama was planted by probably the best political campaign in the US I've seen in my lifetime. As someone on the left, I cannot overstate how much I hate Obama and everything he represents, and everything he did in his 8 years. He set race discourse and it's attendant issues back 30 fucking years, and his cabinet's economic brainfarts continue to plague the nation to this day. I could go on, but it's pointless.

People will not like me for this last one. But after all I've said, the simple idea that people like Trump and Biden are in it again for the leadership of the USA should give anyone remotely patriotic pause to think. Neither one of them should have been even close to the halls of power. Trump is an all around old rich playboy jackass, and Biden wasn't even mentally there in 2020. The craziest part about it isn't that they rose to the top, it's that no one wants the job of running the US at all with the wind sucked out so badly. If you looked at the people in both 2016 and in 2020, they gave lip service to their constituents and did whatever their donors said. Their donors tend to donate to both sides to garner political capital. That raises the question of what democracy even means in the US, and really in the west as a whole. Food for thought I guess. I'm of the mind that my vote means nothing even in a swing state.
 
They likely believed they could fake it well enough with drugs. We saw Biden was more life-like in events after the debate, but Trump curse caused his meds to not be effective when they needed them to be so the mask was off. As to why they aren't trying to hide like in 2020, they can't. Trump called them out, and without a good reason, flaking on that challenge would have made Biden look weak.
Yeah, but his problem isn't age or a cold, it's PTSD from watching cannibals eat his uncle.
 
The problem is funding. The loony Left has billionaires now, a lot of them, and they have no problem funding their grassroots movements with hundreds of millions of dollars. The Right's billionaires would rather buy a 4th or 5th Gulfstream.
The progressive and anarcho Marxist left had multi-millionaires and billionaires funding them ever since the 1880ies-1890ies.
 
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