Mega Rad Gun Thread

It's a tossup between 5.56 and 7.62 at this point. I've read your post but I am still leaning 7.62 because it has these M855A1 you can find just falling off the back of trucks which will absolutely punch a hole through a deranged pooner shooter. I am aware with 7.62 I will need to do some sort of strength training to actually manage.
7.62 NATO is absolutely a fine round and it does have the advantage of retaining lethality at a longer range. The ammo is heavier and the recoil is stronger, but with sufficient training the loss in effective shots on target in a fixed period of time can be mitigated somewhat. You may also want to invest more thought into the gas system, muzzle device, buffer (if you go with an AR platform), and bolt carrier group as those will directly effect the felt recoil. The tradeoff with a recoil-lowering muzzle device is a more powerful muzzle blast which can be loud/disorientating and will kick up dust/prevent concealment of the firing position.

At the end of the day it will work and training will be the most important factor. I'd bet on a steely-eyed man with an M1 Garand over a zoomer with a $4,500 AR build every time, as much fun as it is to treat choosing your kit like an optimization problem to "solve". The trap a lot of civilians get into is sticking to the optimisation problem even after they already bought a gun, so instead of enjoying and training with the weapon they have, they convince themselves to keep buying gear that they then don't use. If you just pick a reliably functional rifle and shoot it regularly you'll be ahead of 95% of armed U.S. citizens
 
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Buy a Holosun EPS carry and DPP titanium adapter plate. A 43x and eps carry combo is quite possibly one of the single best CC guns ever made.
I got a Swampfox red (green) dot, mostly because it’s a direct mount/fit. I know it’s not a gucci high class option compared to Holosun or the other brands but the reviews looked good.
 
M855A1 is a 556 round. But even that doesn't penetrate level 4 armor. Even armor piercing 762 doesn't penetrate level 4 armor.
I swear there was some experimental munition nato was working on for 7.62 which punches L4 consistently but I got the name wrong.
 
I got a Swampfox red (green) dot, mostly because it’s a direct mount/fit. I know it’s not a gucci high class option compared to Holosun or the other brands but the reviews looked good.
A family member got the Defender for a shotgun and after about a year the rear lense had fallen out and the flip caps were busted. Helped them go through the return process, but they wanted like 20 bucks for shipping for something that happened through normal use.

Definitely wouldn't recommend ANY of these new startup places, they all seem pretty fly by night and are mince their words when it comes to marketing.
Perfectly happy with my Romeo MSR and Crossfires, plus both SIG and Vortex seem way cooler about warranty shit, if the things even break.

I'd look around for sales on Holosuns today and maybe try and get one, and see if you can return the Swampfox.

@Null
You're likely thinking about the M80A1, which is basically just a scaled up M855A1. The naming scheme comes from the old 5.56 being M855 and the 7.62 being M80. Those two rounds weren't very similar I don't think, I'm fairly certain M80 is just a lead and copper bullet, no steel.
M59 which I'm sure is unobtanium is a tungsten cored 7.62 loading, which when loaded to appropriate pressures may defeat LV4 plates.
There are also SLAP rounds, but unless you want to risk your gun jamming or almost die like Scott from Kentucky Ballistics, I'd not get those. Also they're expensive, rare, and probably do very very little on flesh.

As a civilian, we're able to use ammo that's actually BETTER than what nearly all militaries use due to not being held back by the Geneva or Hague convention. Blasting FMJs is all fine and dandy, but if you're to cheap to pay $1 a round to save your life, may as well just pop a ¢21 9mm right in yo dome. Not like you're gonna be dumping loads of the stuff downrange anyways, hopefully.....
A 75gr bonded hollow point or solid copper bullet is immeasurably better than any military stuff as those loads are much much more effective on troonsquads, and when passing through a pooner some types may be much safer if an unintended target it behind it. Depending on what you buy, you can get stuff ranging from barrier penetration to varmint loads that'll blow a massive hole in stuff but not exit. The YouTube channel Uncle Freedom has some solid videos describing this, so just check out a few of his rifle ammo vids.

You can get as much $50/round rare ammo you want, but you should take the advice of everybody and just get a normal AR with a drum mag+40 round Magpul mags loaded with heavy defense or hunting bullets.
 
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I swear there was some experimental munition nato was working on for 7.62 which punches L4 consistently but I got the name wrong.
You thinking of depleted uranium discarding sabot aka DUDS?
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The company that made them is defunct and even when they were made you couldn't really get them as a civilian.
 
I swear there was some experimental munition nato was working on for 7.62 which punches L4 consistently but I got the name wrong.
The .277 SIG fury? The whole point of the new caliber is to punch L4 up to a certain distance. I'm not sure that's on the civilian market, and if it is, the gun that's designed for it (MCX Spear) is really expensive. And the ammo will doubtlessly be above a dollar a shot.

NGSW is a whole 'nother can of worms. A good number of people argue that it's pointless even for the military (minus the optic).
 
M118LR spec is probably the best .308 on the civilian market. The civilian alternatives like 6.8mm Creedmoor and 6mm Arc aren't worth the investment IMO. Sig .277 "fury" is technically an option but the mil spec high pressure rounds that are the entire reason to get one aren't currently available, and will likely be hard to get for years as Sig struggles to spin up enough production to meet USG contract requirements.
 
Null, if you're reading this, I know you think I'm a retard nigger from a foreign country, but I have some points for you to consider:

If you're really concerned about the trans militia invading your compound, then you're making a huge mistake talking about it on your stream. Giving the enemy intel about your security systems, what kind of weapons they can expect you to use and when, all for a bit of fun with your viewers? The best weapon is the one the enemy doesn't know you have.

If you need to annihilate a stack of 6 trans invaders all wearing level 4 plates, then you might be better served by weapons other than a gun. Suidlanders (South African white nationalist radical group) once recommended remote detonated explosives hidden in strategic locations around your compound, such as where the enemy might take cover, Viet Cong inspired trap door based booby traps would also be something to seriously consider if you're worried about such a scenario. I know this is all illegal, but you said you want to be prepared for the maximum level of insanity.

It's a misconception that there is such a thing as a bulletproof vest, bulletproof vests are actually merely bullet-resistant, level 4 body armor is only made to stop a single hit of 7.62MM AP “Black Tip”, which is effectively a .30-06 Armor Piercing bullet. Ceramic armor plates shatter on impact, and the victim will still feel the impact of the bullet dispersed over a wider area. According to this quora thread, getting shot twice with an AK47 from 400 yards away while wearing level 4 body armor can still cause debilitating injuries.

If you plan to use a .50 caliber sniper rifle, you have to consider that riflescopes need to be precisely adjusted to hit a target at specific distances. They aren't like in videogames where you can pick up any sniper rifle and hit everything right on the crosshairs, and adjusting them is an involved process that you can't do on the fly. It might be impractical depending on the size of your compound. I'm also told that .50 calibers have high recoil which makes follow up shots more difficult and they have necessarily low ammo capacity. You should consider a semi-automatic rifle chambered in something like .308 winchester or .30-06 springfield scoped in at a strategic distance with a high capacity magazine, in any case, remember to get a bipod for maximal stability and accuracy.

Lastly, a .38 caliber revolver is an ideal gun for assassinations, the .38 caliber bullet rarely penetrates through the entire victim and hits something in the background, which is important as it makes forensics more difficult, the revolver also does not eject any casings.

You also need to be prepared that if this is your first time shooting another human being, or even a living creature, then your hands are going to start shaking and it will be incredibly difficult to shoot accurately, everybody's different but this happens to most deer hunters their first time.
 
Null, if you're reading this, I know you think I'm a retard nigger from a foreign country, but I have some points for you to consider:

If you need to annihilate a stack of 6 trans invaders all wearing level 4 plates, then you might be better served by weapons other than a gun. Suidlanders (South African white nationalist radical group) once recommended remote detonated explosives hidden in strategic locations around your compound, such as where the enemy might take cover, Viet Cong inspired trap door based booby traps would also be something to seriously consider
I'm also told that .50 calibers have high recoil
your hands are going to start shaking and it will be incredibly difficult to shoot accurately
You did, in fact, turn out to be a retarded nigger. Thank you for the warning.
 
yes bro you already said this exact same shit before, stop fucking messaging me @smile.jpg

1. you have no specifics
2. i have nowhere else to talk about any of this because the Internet is DEAD and GAY and full of FAGGOTS. there's a reason this fucking board exists and it's not because there's lots of fun places to have discussions about shit

i am deliberately balancing a mixture of what I actually care about, misinformation, and withholding specifics. it's really fucking insulting that you think i'm just blasting every minute detail of my life. You have no idea the absolute fucking bullshit I put up with to conceal everything I'm doing.

stop bothering me
 
yes bro you already said this exact same shit before, stop fucking messaging me @smile.jpg

1. you have no specifics
2. i have nowhere else to talk about any of this because the Internet is DEAD and GAY and full of FAGGOTS. there's a reason this fucking board exists and it's not because there's lots of fun places to have discussions about shit

i am deliberately balancing a mixture of what I actually care about, misinformation, and withholding specifics. it's really fucking insulting that you think i'm just blasting every minute detail of my life. You have no idea the absolute fucking bullshit I put up with to conceal everything I'm doing.

stop bothering me
I've never messaged you before actually, I think you're confusing me with someone else.
 
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i am almost certain you said this exact same thing before not even a week ago. don't make me find it.

guess what? if someone steps onto a property with a gun owner there's like a 95% chance they'll be holding an AR-15 or an AR-10. It's not secret information.

if four people roll up with intent to kill they're going to be carrying the most expensive body armor they can regardless. i'm not talking about fucking niggers with stockings on their head. these are men with male brains who probably post on /k/ because /k/ is trannies.
 
It's a tossup between 5.56 and 7.62 at this point. I've read your post but I am still leaning 7.62 because it has these M855A1 you can find just falling off the back of trucks which will absolutely punch a hole through a deranged pooner shooter. I am aware with 7.62 I will need to do some sort of strength training to actually manage.
If you get an AR15 with a 20 inch barrel even common 55 grain 5.56 will punch through lvl 3 steel. Another reason not to buy steel plates which many people will have because they’re cheap asses and lot of people shill it. But even then you shouldn’t be too worried because pelvic shots are a thing.

The benefit of 5.56 is its cheaper, easier recoil, and can carry more rounds. Cheapness is a great thing because it’s 30 cents a round versus something like a $1 a round which is important for training and stocking up. It’s still lethal and as seen in Kenosha great for communist removal and disarming. There’s also a ton of magazines and components available and compatible. For something like an AR10 designs aren’t as standard.

The trap a lot of civilians get into is sticking to the optimisation problem even after they already bought a gun, so instead of enjoying and training with the weapon they have, they convince themselves to keep buying gear that they then don't use. If you just pick a reliably functional rifle and shoot it regularly you'll be ahead of 95% of armed U.S. citizens
All you need for an AR is a good sling, light, geissele trigger (once I put it in I can’t do anything else), and a red dot like an eotech exp. A magnifier is also recommended if you do anything at range, I just have a 3x that’s decent enough. Everything is flavoring.

Shooting under 25 yards is easy and simple for anyone to pick up. Going out past that you have to worry about what you zero and knowing your holds. My first competition I managed to fly through stages because they were up close and I can move fast, but I suffered when the targets were at 200m and 300m. My zero was 25 yards so I was trying to figure out holds mid match off a random chart I googled. Army just says hold belt line but these were steel plates I didn’t know the size of so I was walking rounds in guessing.
 
The benefit of 5.56 is its cheaper, easier recoil, and can carry more rounds. Cheapness is a great thing because it’s 30 cents a round versus something like a $1 a round which is important for training and stocking up. It’s still lethal and as seen in Kenosha great for communist removal and disarming. There’s also a ton of magazines and components available and compatible. For something like an AR10 designs aren’t as standard.
I don't care about the cost, why do people keep pointing this out? If there's a special kind of ammo that hits through Level 4s but costs $10 a bullet I will keep magazines with those in them separate from what is fired into the range for practice.
 
To celebrate the 4th and my raise, I went and bought me a Rossi RP63 (made my Taurus) with a 3" barrel. Fuck it. The fit and finish felt nice.
 
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