Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Possum engi]

I don't disagree with you that most of those guys don't get an animal most years. But it's still a useful metric because those hunters are probably only taking 3 shots cold at a deer or elk in a year.

I make rounds for buddies they give me their rifles, I gauge the gun for correct OAL and then make some bullets and test them. If I get a consistent 3 round group at 120 yards (my range is 120 not 100 yards) sub 1 MOA then the bullets are good, if my buddies miss it's on them.

It's not a "worthless" metric is all I'm saying.

How do you gauge the oal of the round for the gun what gauges do you use I load 210gr for 300 win mag for a friend and it would really help

 

[biglurker]

That's just a shitload of .22lr, I'd rather go with a 12 gauge using plain old 00 Buckshot slinging 9 ~.32 cal round balls at that rate.

Probably not. If you're talking the Hornet's Nest then it's not worth it since it's just .22lr.

I am talking about the 40mm buckshot vs armor. I couldn't find anything online testing it.

 

[SubarashiSundown]

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I really like Heritage revolvers (I know they're a cheap zinc alloy), but they're a lot of fun, and I've owned several. The Barkeep I have is my favorite, I've never had any issues with them until my most recent purchase. I was at Academy, and they had a Heritage Rancher Carbine on sale for $230. I got it and took it out to the range the same day. After firing some magnums, the barrel shot loose, so I had to bring it back, and they shipped it back to Heritage for repair. I should've just done it myself, but it's under warranty, so I might as well send it off.

It's a fun rifle to shoot, not the most practical thing as it's awkward to hold. The stock is really short, but after putting a pad on, it's easier for me to hold. I definitely wouldn't recommend it as someone's first or only .22 rifle, but I like being able to shoot magnums and LR out of the same gun.
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have a Heritage I bought as a throw in when I bought my Henry 45-70 and only because the serial ends in a edgy number lol it’s .22lr and I use it as a teaching gun for when I thought my wife and younger siblings to shoot as well as when I teach a class. For young kids it’s honestly a solid gun for those uses in my opinion.

 

[quaawaa]

Matt Davis remade his father's classic video:

The original:

 

[Akran]

Apparently, the guy behind this is a (former, allegedly) pill and meth addict who has been doing some greasy shit (getting talked to by the ATF for allegedly doing NFA stuff without an SOT, trying to hide transactions from the IRS, maybe lying about guns being stolen and selling them on gunbroker) and has a horrible reputation in regards to interactions with customers

If you have done any sort of machinist work in your life you will know these type of guys, its just how it be. Brice is a very knowledgeable guy in the SOT world, does great postie work. Seems to be pretty reputable but some people have issues with him, after all you are dealing with a man who regularly dresses like this for function testing postie or otherwise

Spoiler: classic Brice behavior

He acts like a machinist who has dabbled in un-prescribed medication illegal or otherwise. Its just the phenotype for the trade.

Spoiler: other facebook posts

I think null said on a MATI stream there really should be a facebook thread but there's just too much niche stuff to sort through, its always a treat when its applicable however. Especially if you know who someone's talking about. I wouldn't care too much about the NFA violation, shit happens especially when the ATF is involved. I'm curious to see how the project turns out, I personally think it will be of fair quality. The 8.6 version has me very interested personally but there's currently no chance of me being able to afford it due to a recent acquisition and some other gun projects I have.

 

[Nate Higgers]

Where are my fellow glockheads at?
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I’m a member of the CZ cult but I bought a Glock 43x MOS for summer concealed carry purposes. “The P-01 can be IWB carried”, they said. “The PCR is practically the same size as a Glock 19 and it conceals just as well!”, they said.

with a proper claw holster and a proper gun belt I still print way less with my 43x than I do with either of my CZs. I have to practice with it a lot more often because I don’t get the same tight groups I do compared to shooting my PCR. I have the MOS version but I’m too retarded to understand how to zero a pistol red dot. I learned shooting with dots/irons, anyway.

 

[LemonParty]

How do you gauge the oal of the round for the gun what gauges do you use I load 210gr for 300 win mag for a friend and it would really help

Hornday makes a tool for it.... OR you can do the redneck method.

Fire several rounds out of a rifle. Take that brass and punch out the spent primer (there is a die that will just take out the primer and not resize the case, one die fits most caliber). Then you take the bullet you want to load and put it in the empty fired case with some Loctite. Be sure to only apply the Loctite inside the brass... you don't want that shit in your chamber. Now just close the bolt and let it dry. What you have left is a perfectly seated cartridge. Do it a few time to double check for error.

 

[Samhain]

Glock 43x MOS

The Glock 43X is the best subcompact pistol and I'll fight anyone who disagrees. It does suffer in the capacity department, but maybe Shield Arms or even PSA will finally figure out how to get a 15 round magazine running reliably in the 43X.

I have the MOS version but I’m too retarded to understand how to zero a pistol red dot

Go to YouTube and look up some pistol red dot zeroing videos. You just need a bag or something to keep the pistol steady. Zero at 15 or 10 yards and you'll be fine. T. Rex Arms actually has a good pistol dot zero target you can print out. It's on this page near the bottom.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I have the MOS version but I’m too retarded to understand how to zero a pistol red dot

Shoot and adjust dot, step back, repeat as necessary until satisfied with zero at multiple distances.

keep the pistol steady

I disagree, you should zero your pistol as you normally shoot. Theoretically, zeroing from a bench gives the best results but you may shoot differently offhand.
I'm starting to think the same for rifles; an old fogie put the concept in my head that if you don't shoot from a bench you shouldn't zero from the bench because it may differ from your offhand positioning and may account for unexplained inaccuracy.

 

[Samhain]

I disagree, you should zero your pistol as you normally shoot. Theoretically, zeroing from a bench gives the best results but you may shoot differently offhand.
I'm starting to think the same for rifles; an old fogie put the concept in my head that if you don't shoot from a bench you shouldn't zero from the bench because it may differ from your offhand positioning and may account for unexplained inaccuracy.

I've heard arguments for this zeroing technique. I think it's fine. It clearly works for many people. The last time I zeroed a pistol dot, I just braced myself against a tree. I zero rifles in the prone, and that's always worked out for me.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

I disagree, you should zero your pistol as you normally shoot. Theoretically, zeroing from a bench gives the best results but you may shoot differently offhand.
I'm starting to think the same for rifles; an old fogie put the concept in my head that if you don't shoot from a bench you shouldn't zero from the bench because it may differ from your offhand positioning and may account for unexplained inaccuracy.

For pistols the dot should be going where the bullet should naturally go when you bag it or rest it somehow. By adjusting the dot off impact to compensate for your shortcomings, you're probably giving yourself issues down the road. You'll for sure have a different POI at different distances just because of how angles and shit work. Like height over bore, but sideways.

For rifles I'd say the same thing,
I very rarely am not resting a rifle on a tree or supporting with my elbow on the ground, it just doesn't make sense for the groups I try to hold. Maybe it makes sense for a fighting rifle, but even then you'll probably be resting that gun at some point and you'll smoke your wife in the face instead of the future doctor tryna procreate with her, all because you have a poorly zeroed optic.
Better to try and improve yourself or the way you use things in order to match bench results than to have an offset impact that you don't want.

This probably changes if you're really fucking experienced and whatever, but I've never heard any of the top guys say anything about changing shit to your skill level

 

[High Level Rad Waste]

The size of the pistol someone EDCs is dependent on a variety of factors, mostly the size of the person in question and what they feel comfortable concealing

I carry a Beretta M9 because I'm tall and have XXL hands. Just OWB at 3 o clock. I already was wearing nothing but hawiians, flannels, and jackets depending on the weather. It was also the first handgun that wasn't one of grandpa's revolvers that I learned to use in depth so I figured why not?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Better to try and improve yourself or the way you use things in order to match bench results than to have an offset impact that you don't want.

I think our philosophy is similar but my process is backwards. I rough it out and refine over time, it helps me gain familiarity and triggertime.

 

[EggImpregnator]

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I’m a member of the CZ cult but I bought a Glock 43x MOS for summer concealed carry purposes. “The P-01 can be IWB carried”, they said. “The PCR is practically the same size as a Glock 19 and it conceals just as well!”, they said.

with a proper claw holster and a proper gun belt I still print way less with my 43x than I do with either of my CZs. I have to practice with it a lot more often because I don’t get the same tight groups I do compared to shooting my PCR. I have the MOS version but I’m too retarded to understand how to zero a pistol red dot. I learned shooting with dots/irons, anyway.

Buy a Holosun EPS carry and DPP titanium adapter plate. A 43x and eps carry combo is quite possibly one of the single best CC guns ever made.

 

[EggImpregnator]

Any CZ75 autists in here? I just bought a cz75 and it is stainless with a round trigger guard and a spur hammer. I can't find anything online about cz ever making one like this so idk how rare it is.

 

[AntiSchwuletteAktion]

@Null this is a response to last week's MATI gun talk. Slight power level, I have significant military weapons and small unit tactics training.

5.56mm NATO / .223 is more than sufficient for dealing with targets wearing modern L4 ceramic or steel plates. It will not be guaranteed to penetrate on every shot at any angle, but it is certainly capable of lethal penetration. The caveat is to keep your "fuck you" mags loaded with quality, high grain, high pressure ammunition. You can train with cheap ammo, and shooting more is better than shooting less, but at a minimum you need to make sure the man-stopping ammunition you use feeds through your weapon reliably and you have it in the weapon ready to go at a moment's notice.

Training is most important, more important than ammunition. If you're practiced and confident you can shoot your way out of a very bad situation with a .22LR. Never discount a threat based on what they're armed with, and when push comes to shove the gun you have is better than the one you don't. When you decide to shoot, you need to have the muscle memory that you don't stop shooting until the threat is gone. Especially for armored targets, you keep making follow-up shots until you're absolutely sure they're not a threat to anyone anymore. You should always aim center mass, but if you have the luxury of shot placement, basically no target you'll ever encounter will have protection for the femural artery, so aiming for the hip/groin is a good alternative to aiming for center mass. Shots to the hip/groin are likely to cause massive arterial bleeding, shatter the pelvis (causing extreme shock-inducing levels of pain), and damage/destroy organs. They are almost as lethal as a shot to the heart or head, but easier to land and almost never an armored target.

Modern combat experience has continually taught combatants that economy of fire, not stopping power per shot, determines who wins and who dies in almost every engagement. In short, the more you shoot, the more you immobilize the enemy, the more you shoot, the more you win. Therefore, 5.56 is an excellent choice as it's one of the lightest rifle rounds while maintaining high penetration, and there are endless quantities of reliable 30+ round magazines available. That's the reason militaries around the world have switched to it or their own version (Russia uses 5.45mm, China uses 5.8mm). It's true that the Army is experimenting with the XM5 and XM250 that use an extremely high pressure round to penetrate armor at much longer range than 5.56 can, but in my personal opinion there's little chance they will fully switch over to that cartridge do to its higher weight and more limited magazine capacity. It's likely they will relegate it to designated marksman or special purposes.

I can likely answer any questions you have, but really I'd just watch Garand Thumb for more in-depth info. Other than being entertaining, he has a lot of real world expertise from a special operations warfighter perspective, makes good gear setup recommendations, and I agree with him on pretty much everything when it comes to tactics and training.

P.S. .50 BMG is an anti-materiel cartridge, if you want a "sniper" for defensive use, get a battle rifle in 7.62mm NATO / .308. .50 is best suited to firing into the engine blocks of cars. It might vaporize dudes but in the real world long range engagement you want the .308 so you can still kill the dude with the first shot but be ready to shoot again much much faster. Anything shorter than 1000ft you want the .223 so you can still be lethal and shoot even faster.

 

[SubarashiSundown]

Any CZ75 autists in here? I just bought a cz75 and it is stainless with a round trigger guard and a spur hammer. I can't find anything online about cz ever making one like this so idk how rare it is.

I've heard of some being made with a stainless finish i have 2 CZ75s one a PCR and a normal B and both of mine have spurred hammers but have the standard trigger guard. did you get it new or used? it could have been a CZ custom shop that someone ordered and sold.

 

[Null]

@Null this is a response to last week's MATI gun talk. Slight power level, I have significant military weapons and small unit tactics training.

It's a tossup between 5.56 and 7.62 at this point. I've read your post but I am still leaning 7.62 because it has these M855A1 you can find just falling off the back of trucks which will absolutely punch a hole through a deranged pooner shooter. I am aware with 7.62 I will need to do some sort of strength training to actually manage.

 

[EggImpregnator]

It's a tossup between 5.56 and 7.62 at this point. I've read your post but I am still leaning 7.62 because it has these M855A1 you can find just falling off the back of trucks which will absolutely punch a hole through a deranged pooner shooter. I am aware with 7.62 I will need to do some sort of strength training to actually manage.

M855A1 is a 556 round. But even that doesn't penetrate level 4 armor. Even armor piercing 762 doesn't penetrate level 4 armor.

To defeat someone with armor, you need a low recoiling high capacity firearm that you can use to just magdump on them with. Aim for the pelvic bowl or head. With a 762 rifle you have lower capacity mags and higher recoil, meaning its gonna take longer to re-aim at the target after you fire a shot.

 

[EggImpregnator]

I've heard of some being made with a stainless finish i have 2 CZ75s one a PCR and a normal B and both of mine have spurred hammers but have the standard trigger guard. did you get it new or used? it could have been a CZ custom shop that someone ordered and sold.

It's used. Its also says made in Czechoslovakia on the side.

I didn't get any pics because the store owner was in a hurry because the shop power went out. Have to go back Saturday to fill out the 4473 too because of that.