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3deadniggers · Jul 5, 2024

Tragon Dirtle said:
How is preserving the 'status quo' not the same as preserving 'traditions, culture, customs, values' ? It's just that what they're preserving aren't the ones you want them to preserve. Conservatism Big C is famously ill-defined because everyone has their own definition of it and what it should be doing.

Of course the tories pushing through transexual laws and not telling child butchers to immediately fuck off and die is preserving the status quo. Repainting half the country in progressive iconography using NHS funds is maintaining the status quo.

I remember why I don't discuss politics with the left any more. They're so insane they think my local conservative council repainting all the zebra crossings into rainbows is painting the status quo.

Tragon Dirtle · Jul 5, 2024

Shiverpeaks said:
Of course the tories pushing through transexual laws and not telling child butchers to immediately fuck off and die is preserving the status quo. Repainting half the country in progressive iconography using NHS funds is maintaining the status quo.

I remember why I don't discuss politics with the left any more. They're so insane they think my local conservative council repainting all the zebra crossings into rainbows is painting the status quo.

It created a new market to make money off of and gave the impression of progress after the tories' first four years of destruction. It was useful to the establishment, which is again, the point of the conservatives. The establishment is the status quo and what is useful to them, it's not about what you do and don't like.

3deadniggers · Jul 5, 2024

Tragon Dirtle said:
It created a new market to make money off of and gave the impression of progress after the tories' first four years of destruction. It was useful to the establishment, which is again, the point of the conservatives. The establishment is the status quo and what is useful to them, it's not about what you do and don't like.

Explain to the class how repainting half the country into a rainbow, including many NHS buildings is maintaining the status quo. And how approving of cutting off children's dicks and breasts is the status quo from 10 years ago when the tories got in power.

You can't because you're a fucking idiot.

Tragon Dirtle · Jul 5, 2024

Shiverpeaks said:
Explain to the class how repainting half the country into a rainbow, including many NHS buildings is maintaining the status quo. And how approving of cutting off children's dicks and breasts is the status quo from 10 years ago when the tories got in power.

You can't because you're a fucking idiot.

I just explained the rainbow thing. The tories have lots of ties to American pharma - Rishi and Boris have both consulted for US firms, and a lot of trans patients seek private treatment here because of NHS waiting lists; the NHS in general is being privatised.

I'm basically just repeating 'The tories care about money, not about you, fuckwit' over and over again and you're not getting it. Conservatism is whatever anyone wants it to be to justify the people who have money continuing to make money.

FedPostalService · Jul 5, 2024

Tragon Dirtle said:
Dude, no. New Labour was red tory / tory lite. OG Labour did originally join the EU but both sides supported it. Margaret Thatcher was pro-EU pro-bringing-in-immigrants way before New Labour. She resettled indian families into areas where there had been miners strikes to prevent them happening again. This has all been happening since way before Blair, that's why I said 'post-WW2'.

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I'm going to say 'misogyny and racism' because Jess Phillips has been outspokenly pro-palestine; why the fuck would they assume that she wasn't pro-palestine except that she's a white woman who isn't Jody with the beard?

Guys, I can fix her.

Otterly · Jul 5, 2024

Chaos Theorist said:
Why cant Britain have a house of representatives voted in by proportional representation voting so then we can have 3 houses of government?

I like it. Perhaps they will spend do much time fighting they’ll be unable to wreck the country any further.

Shiverpeaks said:
Explain to the class how repainting half the country into a rainbow, including many NHS buildings is maintaining the status quo. And how approving of cutting off children's dicks and breasts is the status quo from 10 years ago when the tories got in power.

You can't because you're a fucking idiot.

Child abuse is a predilection that is hideously widespread in the uk and it is embedded at the very highest levels of power. Increasing access to diddle kids is what the Establishment are aiming at. Sending us back to the workhouse IS what the establishment cream themselves at the thought of. A working class that’s too poor to be uppity and a middle class that’s extinct, and free access to children, that is what they want.

3deadniggers · Jul 5, 2024

Tragon Dirtle said:
I'm basically just repeating 'The tories care about money, not about you, fuckwit' over and over again and you're not getting it. Conservatism is whatever anyone wants it to be to justify the people who have money continuing to make money.

Otterly said:
Child abuse is a predilection that is hideously widespread in the uk and it is embedded at the very highest levels of power. Increasing access to diddle kids is what the Establishment are aiming at. Sending us back to the workhouse IS what the establishment cream themselves at the thought of. A working class that’s too poor to be uppity and a middle class that’s extinct, and free access to children, that is what they want.

Neither of those things are maintaining the status quo. So the Conservatives are blood hungry jews who will sell anything out to make a quid while also trying to preserve the status quo. They're trying to kill off the middle class and have child rape orphanages but also not change anything.

FedPostalService · Jul 5, 2024

This thread needs a mod that bans Americans.

Tragon Dirtle · Jul 5, 2024

Shiverpeaks said:
Neither of those things are maintaining the status quo. So the Conservatives are blood hungry jews who will sell anything out to make a quid while also trying to preserve the status quo. They're trying to kill off the middle class and have child rape orphanages but also not change anything.

As Otterly just said, literally open a history book and learn that the upper class hating the middle class and wanting to rape children is not a new problem. Or look up the wiki page for Gilles de Rais.

EddyRooney · Jul 5, 2024

Tragon Dirtle said:
Dude, no. New Labour was red tory / tory lite. OG Labour did originally join the EU but both sides supported it. Margaret Thatcher was pro-EU pro-bringing-in-immigrants way before New Labour.

Thatcher was pro the Common Market. Not immigration.
"But all his pleading for Asians to be included in Margaret Thatcher's vision of a future UK came to naught; they hit a stone wall. The “Iron Lady” did not wilt or exhibit any compassion. Although she did not say it in so many words, her steely composure said it all: immigrants were not welcome under her regime".
Maastricht was ratified by the traitor John Major -

"The Maastricht Rebellion was a major event of John Major's troubled second term as Prime Minister (1992–1997). Major's party had a small majority, thus giving the relatively small number of rebels disproportionate influence: for example, there were 22 rebels on the second reading of the European Communities (Amendment) Bill in May 1992, and the government's majority at the time was only 18.

The rebellion had the support of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and former Party Chairman Norman Tebbit."
Margaret Thatcher actively opposed the Maastricht Treaty. She declared in a speech in the House of Lords that she "could never have signed that Treaty"

Tragon Dirtle said:
As Otterly just said, literally open a history book and learn that the upper class hating the middle class and wanting to rape children is not a new problem. Or look up the wiki page for Gilles de Rais.

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By giving you no time instead of it all
'Til the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
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They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
'Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules
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When they've tortured and scared you for twenty-odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
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But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
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There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill

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Yeeted Teet · Jul 5, 2024

Amongst all the talk of Labour and the vote share, some very interesting things have happened with the UK's redheaded stepchild - Northern Ireland.

Sinn Féin are now the largest NI party in Westminster with seven seats.

Ian Paisley Jr. lost the seat that he and his father had held for 54 continuous years

While neither is likely to cause any immediate, tangible changes, both are pretty big upsets to NI politics and may be signs of things to come.

AssignedEva · Jul 5, 2024

Shiverpeaks said:
Neither of those things are maintaining the status quo.

The status quo to the Conservatives is a Neoliberal Globalist vision of the UK. Putting rainbows on things is part of preserving the Status Quo, as we've had civil partnerships for 20 years and gay marriage for 10, so challenging LGB is not a politically viable strategy for them at the moment. Likewise, having high immigration is part of preserving the Status Quo because it enables companies to suppress workers' wages and bolster profits (the "party of big business").

When you talk about preserving the status quo, you're talking about working to conserve various aspects of British society and culture. That is of little interest to the Conservatives; they might make those noises to bolster their votes, but they're largely a managerial class who are unused to thinking beyond the next financial quarter. The seismic shifts we've seen in the last decade are largely because they're bad at running a country so tripped themselves up trying to rule through referenda, or they've allowed idpol to flourish in various places because it's a handy distraction.

EddyRooney said:
Thatcher was pro the Common Market. Not immigration.
"But all his pleading for Asians to be included in Margaret Thatcher's vision of a future UK came to naught; they hit a stone wall. The “Iron Lady” did not wilt or exhibit any compassion. Although she did not say it in so many words, her steely composure said it all: immigrants were not welcome under her regime".

Thatcher's issue was with immigrants of the brown and black persuasion swamping the UK with their "different culture". Conservative party struggles because a right wing party complains about non white immigration and attempts to appeal to voters over it is not a new thing, see her comments in 1978:

I am the first to admit it is not easy to get clear figures from the Home Office about immigration, but there was a committee which looked at it and said that if we went on as we are then by the end of the century there would be four million people of the new Commonwealth or Pakistan here. Now, that is an awful lot and I think it means that people are really rather afraid that this country might be rather swamped by people with a different culture and, you know, the British character has done so much for democracy, for law and done so much throughout the world that if there is any fear that it might be swamped people are going to react and be rather hostile to those coming in. So, if you want good race relations, you have got to allay peoples' fears on numbers. Now, the key to this was not what Keith Speed said just a couple of weeks ago. It really was what Willie Whitelaw said at the Conservative Party Conference in Brighton, where he said we must hold out the clear prospect of an end to immigration because at the moment it is about between 45,000 and 50,000 people coming in a year. Now, I was brought up in a small town, 25,000. That would be two new towns a year and that is quite a lot (...)

I shall not make it a major election issue but I think there is a feeling that the big political parties have not been talking about this and sometimes, you know, we are falsely accused of racial prejudice. I say “falsely accused” and that means that we do not talk about it perhaps as much as we should. In my view, that is one thing that is driving some people to the National Front. They do not agree with the objectives of the National Front, but they say that at least they are talking about some of the problems. Now, we are a big political party. If we do not want people to go to extremes, and I do not, we ourselves must talk about this problem and we must show that we are prepared to deal with it. We are a British nation with British characteristics. Every country can take some small minorities and in many ways they add to the richness and variety of this country. The moment the minority threatens to become a big one, people get frightened.

She had no issue with European immigration as a whole, because it enabled her to shut down non-white immigration while still undermining the unions and British workers. Freedom of movement of workers in the EU was a thing long before Maastricht (hence Auf Wiedersehen, Pet); her objection to Maastricht was not skilled workers from France or Germany, or unskilled workers from Greece and Spain, but the concept of an "EU Citizen" and European federalisation.

Trig.Point · Jul 5, 2024

Terfing said:
Jess Phillips (Labour) won by 693 votes and was booed and heckled by people yelling about Palestine as she tried to give her speech. Apparently it has been a really nasty campaign.
The runner up was Jody McIntyre of the Workers' Party. I assumed Jody was another lefty woman. No. This is Jody.

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Jess Philips is a fucking snake, and if they had managed to find anyone other than a soap dodging weirdo to run against her they might have got her out.

She's not some working class hero, she's the daughter of a NHS trust exec, multiple generations of her family have been embedded in the 'public' sector and trade unions and she walked into that seat. She talks tough but usually managed to be somehwere else when trans issues were discussed.

As for the social media 'harrasment' she gets (which her wikipedia page goes into plenty of details about) it started after she said on Question time that the Cologne sex attacks weren't as serious as what white British men do at the weekend on the streets of her consituency (at the time she was sucking up to the muslum community).

She's toeing the party line on Israel because she has cabinet ambitions. She's just in a rage that she came close to being thrown off the gravy train.

Tragon Dirtle · Jul 5, 2024

EddyRooney said:
Thatcher was pro the Common Market. Not immigration.
"But all his pleading for Asians to be included in Margaret Thatcher's vision of a future UK came to naught; they hit a stone wall. The “Iron Lady” did not wilt or exhibit any compassion. Although she did not say it in so many words, her steely composure said it all: immigrants were not welcome under her regime".
Maastricht was ratified by the traitor John Major -

"The Maastricht Rebellion was a major event of John Major's troubled second term as Prime Minister (1992–1997). Major's party had a small majority, thus giving the relatively small number of rebels disproportionate influence: for example, there were 22 rebels on the second reading of the European Communities (Amendment) Bill in May 1992, and the government's majority at the time was only 18.

The rebellion had the support of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and former Party Chairman Norman Tebbit."
Margaret Thatcher actively opposed the Maastricht Treaty. She declared in a speech in the House of Lords that she "could never have signed that Treaty"

The Maastricht treaty was about EU national immigrants, not asians, and was passed under John Major, not her?

She did oversee a reduction in immigration numbers (down from 70/80k to above 50k...how that sounds compared to now..) but that's still more people to grow the midlands/north communities that had arrived as refugees after Idi Amin kicked all of his pakistani citizens out. Ted Heath, another conservative, and then the labour government in between, all saw a flow of asian immigrants that she continued:

Indians began arriving in the UK in large numbers shortly after their country gained independence in 1947, although there were a number of people from India living in the UK even in the earlier years. More than 60,000 arrived before 1955, many of whom drove buses, or worked in foundries or textile factories.[citation needed] The flow of Indian immigrants peaked between 1965 and 1972, boosted in particular by Ugandan dictator Idi Amin's sudden decision to expel all 50,000 Asians (people of Indian or Pakistani origin) from Uganda. Around 30,000 Ugandan Asians emigrated to the UK.[32]

Following the independence of Pakistan, Pakistani immigration to the United Kingdom increased, especially during the 1950s and 1960s. Many Pakistanis came to Britain following the turmoil during the partition of India and the subsequent independence of Pakistan; among them were those who migrated to Pakistan upon displacement from India, and then emigrated to the UK, thus becoming secondary migrants.[33] Migration was made easier as Pakistan was a member of the Commonwealth of Nations.[34] Pakistanis were invited by employers to fill labour shortages which arose after the Second World War. As Commonwealth citizens, they were eligible for most British civic rights. They found employment in the textile industries of Lancashire and Yorkshire, manufacturing in the West Midlands, and car production and food processing industries of Luton and Slough. It was common for Pakistani employees to work nightshifts and at other less-desirable hours.[35

She was anti-immigrant on a personal level but realised that they had to let some in, so she resettled them where they would be most useful to her, in Northern communities, which is why all other immigration is concentrated around urban centres and asians are all over the midlands and low north. She did stipulate that asians couldn't apply for council houses.

I would call her anti-immigrant the way the tories were anti-immigrant. She was letting in just under 1% of the population each year, Tories are letting in just under 2% of the population according to figures from last year (figures also including temporary visas).

Rusty Metal Skull Gun · Jul 5, 2024

Shiverpeaks said:
Of course the tories pushing through transexual laws and not telling child butchers to immediately fuck off and die is preserving the status quo. Repainting half the country in progressive iconography using NHS funds is maintaining the status quo.

There were no pro-troonery laws passed under the last Government. Where they failed was letting the rest of the Establishment run riot in all the crazy culture war stuff they could come up with.

Feathers McGraw · Jul 5, 2024

AssignedEva said:
Thatcher's issue was with immigrants of the brown and black persuasion swamping the UK with their "different culture". Conservative party struggles because a right wing party complains about non white immigration and attempts to appeal to voters over it is not a new thing, see her comments in 1978:

It's a little depressing that her quote could be repeated almost verbatim today and still apply. The only difference being that the immigration figures are higher by a factor of 20...

Perhaps 46 years is long enough to determine that the Tories are either unwilling or unable to actually fix this problem.

Bloom Worm Cross Field · Jul 5, 2024

I went into a local independent shop for something this morning, which was staffed by a 50-60 year old woman and one 28-30 year old man. The woman was pointedly remarking on how "today's a very good day", which sparked what I would describe as a conversation between the two of them, towards myself and another customer. The late-20s man said:

"We've got this 19-year-old kid on staff, and I asked him who he's planning on voting for, you know what he said? [Ominous voice] Reform UK! I told him he'd better change his mind if he wants to have any more shifts here. He told me he wanted to vote for them because he thought Nigel Farage made good videos! Gen Z, they're the tiktok generation aren't they. I mean Reform, they're just the EDL!
BNP, EDL, Farage, Reform, that's how it's gone. This kid is Polish as well, they'd be sending him back if they got in! I got him to change his mind."

From this interaction and after further consideration I am now calling for Total Millennial Death. These are the people calling others "low information voters".

AssignedEva · Jul 5, 2024

Tragon Dirtle said:
The Maastricht treaty was about EU national immigrants, not asians, and was passed under John Major, not her?

Yes, I was saying her issue with Maastricht was European federalisation - why she wouldn't have signed it, and why she criticised Major. Freedom of movement of workers was not a new phenomenon since the UK had joined the EEC in the early 1970s, and Thatcher signed the Single European Act in 1986 to bolster the common market. Maastricht made people European Citizens who could settle in a country without having to be workers (so for example, all the people who retired to Spain).

Thatcher wasn't opposed to European immigration when it came to importing workers (who could eventually settle permanently), she was opposed to Commonwealth immigration because they weren't white. Partially because the average British person has far less of an issue with immigrants from Western Europe who have a broadly similar culture to the UK vs someone with a very foreign culture - which is why she needed to take steps to address it. But also because she personally didn't agree with it - Thatcher was a woman of principles, and while I may not have agreed with many of her principles, I'd say she was probably the last principled Prime Minister (you could maybe argue Theresa May was, but just ineffectual at enacting her principles).

Feathers McGraw said:
It's a little depressing that her quote could be repeated almost verbatim today and still apply. The only difference being that the immigration figures are higher by a factor of 20...

Perhaps 46 years is long enough to determine that the Tories are either unwilling or unable to actually fix this problem.

It's mostly because we're not able to have a mature conversation about immigration. Thatcher was sometimes accused of being a "racialist" and arguably she was, but not in a way that's unreasonable.

If you accept the idea we need, say, 250,000 immigrants per year to improve the dependency ratio and keep the economy ticking over, who are these immigrants and where do they come from? You could say we don't need 250,000 immigrants a year if we change our economic policies or take steps to increase the birth rate - but for the sake of argument let's accept we're not going to do that.

The most palatable answer would be to focus on having high skilled immigration, but in practice there's plenty of areas where the Government would like to see unskilled immigration continue, especially the shitty jobs nobody wants to do for the low money that they pay (like carers). The thing people are uncomfortable saying is that they'd prefer Europeans with European culture doing those jobs compared to an Indian or an African person, because the cultures integrate better.

If you listen to people who voted Leave, their main motivations were often cracking down on immigration - and a lot of them seem to have bundled Asians and Africans into it, even though they're not EU citizens. But a Conservative government that accidentally won the referendum and doesn't want to lower a supply of cheap workforce can't keep on with EU immigration and so is going to increase the number of non-whites coming in. Generally speaking most people don't really mind black and Asian people who have integrated, but importing entire villages from Pakistan and letting them form an enclave means they're not integrating.

This is why I think even left wing voices are starting to make more noises about immigration now - people notice when there's crowds of young men from Pakistan hanging out and behaving odd, and feel uncomfortable with it, and more uncomfortable with it than noticing another Polski Sklep has opened on their high street. But saying "we need to mainly have white people immigrating here" will have you labelled a Reform-voting loon who should be excised from polite society, so people just say "we need to reduce immigration" and thus you get this same argument where the Government makes noises about reducing immigration but keeps importing non-white people who don't integrate. I suspect the Labour government version of this will be making noises around helping those people integrate through social programmes (and I'm pro-integration programmes, but they don't help when there's already ethnic enclaves and you're importing far too many people).

FedPostalService · Jul 6, 2024

Rusty Metal Skull Gun said:
There were no pro-troonery laws passed under the last Government. Where they failed was letting the rest of the Establishment run riot in all the crazy culture war stuff they could come up with.

They were floating bringing in self ID but went quiet when they realised they would have to deal with a backbench revellion.

Morethanabitfoolish · Jul 6, 2024

FedPostalService said:
They were floating bringing in self ID but went quiet when they realised they would have to deal with a backbench revellion.

Given Stamer's behaviour towards his MPs who fight that stuff we can expect that to be coming in soon.

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FedPostalService

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Otterly

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3deadniggers

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Tragon Dirtle

EddyRooney

Yeeted Teet

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AssignedEva

I throw the quesadilla at the wall.

Trig.Point

I wouldn't start from here.

Tragon Dirtle

Rusty Metal Skull Gun

i vill not move out of ze vay

Feathers McGraw

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Bloom Worm Cross Field

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AssignedEva

I throw the quesadilla at the wall.

FedPostalService

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Morethanabitfoolish

Bruh.