George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

Ishtar said:
A lot of the big ASOIAF fan names either cut their output entirely or veered hard away from the IP in the show's aftermath.
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I have seen plenty GOTfugees both in YouTube and irl go to The Three Body Problem (ironic) and Dune. I know the Dune camp best, the kind that like the Villeneuve movies, most of the time act like the franchise only existed before as the 1984 movie and those saying that it is a white saviour story.
I think that's a funny because to me it seems Bran the Broken is supposed to be a God Emperor that ends the war by force breeding all the families with royal claims and ushering millennia of prosperity while making everyone unhappy. I don't know, GURM ripping off Herbert sounds funny to me.

About magic in Westeros, there's the Grand Maester Conspiracy, that being that zealots among the Maesters killed magic and hoard it in Oldtown, gaslighting the populace in the process. I think if anything the general sentiment towards magic is precaution because so far most characters that use magics pay a high price for it or are seen as heathens against the main belief system.
 
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Blue Gem Muslim Queen said:
I have seen plenty GOTfugees both in YouTube and irl go to The Three Body Problem (ironic)
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What's ironic about it? Sure, it's only "okay" because of the good English translation, and in Chinese it's written like 2005 Yudkowsky forgot he was support to like women, but the only connection I can see is the bad quality show.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
It would have been a fun twist if Geoffrey really was a real heri and Cersei wasn't very good at felching cum.
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GURM makes a big deal about family specific features and that inspired Preston Jacobs to say that Ramsay couldn't be Roose's son by using real-life genetics. One of the unsung moments of autism by Preston.
 
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Blue Gem Muslim Queen said:
GURM makes a big deal about family specific features and that inspired Preston Jacobs to say that Ramsay couldn't be Roose's son by using real-life genetics. One of the unsung moments of autism by Preston.
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Sounds like the usual case of overthinking media. Even if it was the case irl, you need to have the fantasy universe genetic match.
 
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xXx: State of the Union said:
I know the last sample chapter itself came out in 2016, which everyone seems to suddenly think is the date the "rewrite" started now.
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my hot take is the minute he put out the "Arya as a 12-year old comely femme fatale" chapter called Mercy out to the public in 2014 several people high up in the sci-fi/fantasy publishing clique sent him some nasty messages and he basically threw out everything he had written and then got nervous af about releasing public material and the content of his next book.
Which tells me some fucked up shit probably happens to both Arya and Daenerys in it, assuming he hasn't spent the past decade rewriting their fundamental character arcs.
 
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Peaches the Wonder Cat said:

Preston Jacobs, one time GRRM cheerleader: "All the stuff that happens in [A Feast for Crows] and [A Dance with Dragons] is... forgettable and not really useful. Think about how much was cut by D&D and they still had an end game.... Everybody's looking for the sequel to [A Storm of Swords.]"

Ouch.
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This stupid cunt realized this after 13 years of lies and manipulations from GURM.
 
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Absolutego said:
my hot take is the minute he put out the "Arya as a 12-year old comely femme fatale" chapter called Mercy out to the public in 2014 several people high up in the sci-fi/fantasy publishing clique sent him some nasty messages and he basically threw out everything he had written and then got nervous af about releasing public material and the content of his next book.
Which tells me some fucked up shit probably happens to both Arya and Daenerys in it, assuming he hasn't spent the past decade rewriting their fundamental character arcs.
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He probably had her be a whore to kill someone and got assblasted that it isn't 2004 and modern audience will cancel him for it.
 
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Absolutego said:
Which tells me some fucked up shit probably happens to both Arya and Daenerys in it, assuming he hasn't spent the past decade rewriting their fundamental character arcs.
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In the show they filmed that last scene of Daenerys getting stabbed by Jon Snow with her being pregnant but then edited the scene so that you couldn't tell the actress was wearing a prosthetic pregnancy bump for the final version. And Arya killing the Night's King to kill the Others will most likely not be in the books as well. They softened the images of a lot of the female characters towards the end of the show. They practically had the entire world forget that Cersei blew up the entire Sept like a 9/11 attack and it was business as usual. The first few seasons had women having almost no power in Westeros society. By the end they are slaying ancient demons and controlling vast armies and ruling as Queens.

In one season of Game of Thrones the rape scenes against women are nonstop and in the next season they are making endless female empowerment scenes to somehow counterbalance the violence against women. Yet in the end it was all done some clumsily that it just makes the writers seem schizophrenic and the world seem incoherent. And it turned out to be a preview of House of the Dragon where in one scene a woman is blowing up civilians by bursting through the floor with a giant dragon. Then in another scene the same women are crying over how the men are plunging the world into war and men are all stupid violent oafs who cannot restrain themselves.

These writers cannot commit to making women do anything wrong anymore nor have anything overly bad happen to them. Which makes doing an ASOIAF adaptation pointless as women are some of the most brutal and cutthroat characters. And are also often the victims of extreme violence as well. You might as well start removing magic and dragons at that point.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
All that and they couldn't include Arianne, the one woman who had right to rule since birth because her realm didn't mind sex of the ruler. I remember back then the joke was "she hasn't been cast because they can't find a proper way to get her raped". Same for the older Mormont women.
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I think there's an argument about how the show ruined some characters in the eyes of the fanbase while others (Quentyn, Victarion, Arianne, Damphair, JonConn) were lionized because we never saw them ruined.
 
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Blue Gem Muslim Queen said:
I think there's an argument about how the show ruined some characters in the eyes of the fanbase while others (Quentyn, Victarion, Arianne, Damphair, JonConn) were lionized because we never saw them ruined.
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I really don't get Arianne lionization, even from the books.
Like, literally everything she does goes to shit and poorly for her, particularly. Her biggest accomplishment is getting a little girl slashed up because some obvious dipshit who happened to be hot was on her squad while the other obvious dipshit she was actively banging went out to kill himself in service of their retarded scheme. Even when theorycrafting about where her story might go the best anyone can come up with is she'll get fettered off to a fake Targaryen and probably dies in Kings Landing alongside the rest of them when Dany has her Bells moment.
 
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The Martells trying their best but being really useless at throne gaming while the Tyrells get everything they want for next to nothing seems to be a running theme.

(Except for Loras of course, nothing ever works out for Loras).
 
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Absolutego said:
I really don't get Arianne lionization, even from the books.
Like, literally everything she does goes to shit and poorly for her, particularly. Her biggest accomplishment is getting a little girl slashed up because some obvious dipshit who happened to be hot was on her squad while the other obvious dipshit she was actively banging went out to kill himself in service of their retarded scheme. Even when theorycrafting about where her story might go the best anyone can come up with is she'll get fettered off to a fake Targaryen and probably dies in Kings Landing alongside the rest of them when Dany has her Bells moment.
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I always thought they were trying to contrast her with Doran, where she's a reckless, thoughtless schemer who overestimates her own intelligence compared to him. I guess that's assuming Doran was meant to be characterised as this master schemer playing the ultimate long game, but then again that falls flat when his apparent plan was sending his son thousands of miles away only to have him get cucked by some dude with a multicolor beard and then end up getting barbecued. I've seen plenty of people say he's also meant to be a retard who fucks up all the time but I've always been on the fence on what Martin was trying to do with his character.
 
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