Serious LGBT Discussion

[Inco G. Nito]

Porn cannot turn you gay so stop using it as a scapegoat. It's bad, but it won't turn you into a homosexual unless you're already a mentally ill fag.

No, the massive uptick in LGBT teenagers is not because there was secretly that many gays all along. It is exceedingly obviously a result of grooming and exposure to pornography at increasingly young ages. Homosexuality is functionally no different than any other fetish. As someone who was pretty deep in being a coomer in early highschool, I can 100% attest that yes it (and other weird fetishes) do go away if you stop exposing yourself to pornography and allow time for your brain to heal. Beyond this, there are no positives to be gleamed from being homosexual or tolerating homosexuals. LGBT as a whole is a malignant growth on society that only contributes to social, cultural and moral decay. The only argument that can be made in favor of it is a humanitarian one, but that argument merely enables homosexuals to continue their depravity with no hope of improvement. As with all sexual deviants, the fetishes will only progress and become more bizarre and extreme in order to continue chasing the paraphilic high and it will inevitably devolve into sadism, zoophilia, pedophilia, etc. Shocking.

 

[Mourning_Cloak]

Is it just me or was this year's "Pride Month" exceedingly less "prideful" than all previous years? I didn't see nearly as much rainbow merch on the shelves (which would always overfill the clearance bins in July) in stores and I don't recall as many corporate logos rebranding as rainbow. Am I just learning to tune it out better?

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Is it just me or was this year's "Pride Month" exceedingly less "prideful" than all previous years? I didn't see nearly as much rainbow merch on the shelves (which would always overfill the clearance bins in July) in stores and I don't recall as many corporate logos rebranding as rainbow. Am I just learning to tune it out better?

Its been brought up in other LGBT threads many times. Most stores cut way the Hell back on their pride shilling due to it being a profit drain. Every shop I’ve been to either had some pride stuff scattered about the store inconspicuously, or they didn’t have it at all.

It has been enumerated on this site time and time again that corpos don’t give a fuck about social issues or minorities. They just glom onto a trend looking to make some $$$, and when it leads to a net loss they discard it and never bring it up again. The media has been more hush-hush on LGBT causes because of the controversy surrounding “trans rights”, drag queen story hour, crimes committed by trannies…backlash is already happening and it’s gonna cause a wave these next few years.

Really, why should people give a fuck about the rights of folks who can legally get married when there are bigger issues at hand, like the high costs of living, inflation, and a political crisis on the horizon?

 

[Doktor Grimm]

No, the massive uptick in LGBT teenagers is not because there was secretly that many gays all along. It is exceedingly obviously a result of grooming and exposure to pornography at increasingly young ages.

If it were mainly dudes reporting increased same-sex attraction, then sure -- young men are far more likely to fall down the porn rabbit hole at an early age compared to girls. The rise in LGBT identification among young people is mostly owing to self-identified bisexual women and (to a lesser extent) troons, though, so it isn't really fair to say that it's primarily caused by porn, or even that exposure to porn is causing otherwise hetero zoomers to turn gay. If you sink into the deepest darkest depths of the gooner abyss you might fry your dopamine receptors to the point where you briefly become bi or something, but I'm yet to hear of a case of porn addiction totally erasing a person's attraction to the opposite sex. That would be bizarre.

there are no positives to be gleamed from being homosexual or tolerating homosexuals.

Consider: musical theatre.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Consider: musical theatre

Or just…theatre in general.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

If you sink into the deepest darkest depths of the gooner abyss you might fry your dopamine receptors to the point where you briefly become bi or something, but I'm yet to hear of a case of porn addiction totally erasing a person's attraction to the opposite sex. That would be bizarre.

Wouldn't the implication in your statement here be that your sexuality isn't an aquired trait but an intrinsic one? Which is contradictory with the fact that gay people (and trannies, same thing) are many times more likely to have been sexually abused as children. If that's not the implication, then how would exposure to pornography be wholey incapable of affecting one's sexuality when it is otherwise very capable of warping their sexual desires, and other negative sexual activity and exposure like abuse is clearly capable of affecting sexuality?

Or just…theatre in general.

...Yep. Like I said. Only negatives lmao

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Wouldn't the implication in your statement here be that your sexuality isn't an aquired trait but an intrinsic one? Which is contradictory with the fact that gay people (and trannies, same thing) are many times more likely to have been sexually abused as children. If that's not the implication, then how would exposure to pornography be wholey incapable of affecting one's sexuality when it is otherwise very capable of warping their sexual desires, and other negative sexual activity and exposure like abuse is clearly capable of affecting sexuality?

Some gay apologists/enablers will cite the "more likely to have been abused by children" as evidence of the oppreshion that gays face, rather than the implication that sexual abuse will warp one's view of sexuality and sexual tastes.

The argument being that pedophiles have an inherent ability to sniff out "gay" children and target them specifically, rather than the fact that pedophiles are just opportunistic cowards who target the easiest targets.

Anything to avoid the obvious implication that being sexually abused early in life will literally turn you gay, that homosexual attraction is a result of trauma.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

...Yep. Like I said. Only negatives lmao

Hey, but I like thea...uh, nevermind.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

Even if the candidate doesn't follow their promises, the fact that someone who makes those promises can get elected is a massive spiritual victory that has very real impact.

I'm sorry, but I question the value of spiritual victories when your opponents have scores of practical ones with very tangible results. This is a fundamental disagreement I have with most right wingers, conservatives and other flavors of traditionalists. "Feel good" victories achieve nothing but placate the supposed winners and make them complacent. It is nothing more than losing with your dignity intact. If you want to win in any political or economic spheres, you must abandon dignity and pursue actual victories. This is partially why conservatives have lost foothold in all spaces within the Western society except maybe the church in the last two decades.

If you're not American you don't know what it was like here before Trump won in 2016. The idea that you could directly oppose and reverse any prog tendency meaningfully, rather than just slow it down, was completely anathema. It was assumed to be impossible, and anyone advocating it was supposed to be unelectable.

Trump made those promises and won. Not only that, but his court killed Roe v. Wade.

How have the Republican voters benefited from Trump's victory? Your speech might seem more free, but talks over the coffee table among the commoners rarely lead towards effective change. In fact, many of those commoners who felt emboldened enough to enter the halls of the elite on January 6th now rot in prison and have been condemned by their compatriots and political leaders as gullible idiots. Similarly, how has Roe v. Wade benefited the Republican voter? Is he richer, more free or has greater opportunities to pursue his ambitions? No, but they feel more dignified living in a state which does not permit abortion. The tangible results is that less black babies are getting aborted and more future Democrat voters may make it adulthood.

No, the massive uptick in LGBT teenagers is not because there was secretly that many gays all along. It is exceedingly obviously a result of grooming and exposure to pornography at increasingly young ages. Homosexuality is functionally no different than any other fetish. As someone who was pretty deep in being a coomer in early highschool, I can 100% attest that yes it (and other weird fetishes) do go away if you stop exposing yourself to pornography and allow time for your brain to heal. Beyond this, there are no positives to be gleamed from being homosexual or tolerating homosexuals. LGBT as a whole is a malignant growth on society that only contributes to social, cultural and moral decay. The only argument that can be made in favor of it is a humanitarian one, but that argument merely enables homosexuals to continue their depravity with no hope of improvement. As with all sexual deviants, the fetishes will only progress and become more bizarre and extreme in order to continue chasing the paraphilic high and it will inevitably devolve into sadism, zoophilia, pedophilia, etc. Shocking.

I disagree and take the stance of a radical optimist. I do not believe that a mentally healthy person could ever change their sexuality or descend into sadism, zoophilia or pedophilia. Overexposure to porn may lead towards negative psychological outcomes and unhealthy behaviors, but radical sexual deviancy will not develop unless a person is deeply flawed at their core.

In the case of homosexuals, what would you see as improvement over "continuing their depravity"? Would it be celibacy and entering a church which despises them and sees them as nothing more but pedophiles in the making? Homosexuals are also not paraphiliacs. Raping a child or animal requires an extreme capacity for evil. Two men or women having sex is not comparable at all with paraphilias in terms of evil.

The uptick in LGBT teenagers is also predominantly due to bisexual young women which is an innocent development. Teenage girls entering "relationships" with each other because boys are icky is not the end of the world nor the result of grooming. Young girls are "dating" each other because high school boys tend to be shameless coomers and both grow out of it because neither group is actually homosexual or sexually deviant. It is at worst maladaptive behavior caused by the difficulties of becoming an adult. Finally, the rise in LGBT being a sign of social, cultural and moral decay is predominantly third-world cope. Nothing will change the fact that those countries are shitholes whose sole source of "dignity" over the West is throwing gays off roofs and stoning young women for cheating on their elderly husbands.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

I disagree and take the stance of a radical optimist

Optimism is good. 'Radical' optimism is foolish as demonstrated with the rest of your reply.

I do not believe that a mentally healthy person could ever change their sexuality or descend into sadism, zoophilia or pedophilia. Overexposure to porn may lead towards negative psychological outcomes and unhealthy behaviors, but radical sexual deviancy will not develop unless a person is deeply flawed at their core.

There is obviously a barrier of sorts that some people will remain principled enough to not cross. The problem is that only a very small group of people would be able to retain such level of mental healthiness while also being such a coomer. Inevitably, there are some few people out there who like loli, shota, feral, etc. But they forever retain the self control or have a level of disconnect to not actually harm a real child or seek to obtain real CSAM. The problem is that it is still a child fictional or not. No, it's not literal CSAM involving a real child but if someone getting off to any fantasy involving children isn't raising eyebrows for you then you've got some problems of your own. If you are arguing from the perspective that all that really matters is the actual actions one takes, then how can you be sure that it isn't a minority of people, possible a very small minority who would actually retain the self control to never harm a real person? The problem is that it ultimately invites MUCH more trouble than it is worth.

In the case of homosexuals, what would you see as improvement over "continuing their depravity"?

Spoiler: Compressed long response

Laying off the pornography, casual sex, and hypersexual activity in general.

Would it be celibacy.

Yes. Abstaining from homosex would be a good first step lmao

entering a church which despises them and sees them as nothing more but pedophiles in the making?

While I am not practicing in any religion, I can tell you for free that Christianity by and large is a shell of its former self and has slowly been eroded away from. You would be hard-pressed to not be able to find a church that is tolerant of faggots.

Homosexuals are also not paraphiliacs.

"A paraphilia is an experience of recurring or intense sexual arousal to atypical objects, places, situations, fantasies, behaviors, or individuals." No, they objectively are paraphiliacs. Sexual reproduction takes place when a male of a species copulates with a female. Therefore, the act of doing so (and secondary acts associated with) is the norm and deviating from such is paraphilic. The human body isn't made to have homosex, you can't shit properly after being sodomized regularly, you get AIDS because the immune system wasn't designed with that in mind.

Raping a child or animal requires an extreme capacity for evil.

I guess fags are dramatically more likely to be evil than normal people. You said it lmao

The uptick in LGBT teenagers is also predominantly due to bisexual young women which is an innocent development. Teenage girls entering "relationships" with each other because boys are icky is not the end of the world nor the result of grooming. Young girls are "dating" each other because high school boys tend to be shameless coomers and both grow out of it because neither group is actually homosexual or sexually deviant. It is at worst maladaptive behavior caused by the difficulties of becoming an adult. Finally, the rise in LGBT being a sign of social, cultural and moral decay is predominantly third-world cope. Nothing will change the fact that those countries are shitholes whose sole source of "dignity" over the West is throwing gays off roofs and stoning young women for cheating on their elderly husbands.

It's completely innocent for developing young minds to be very confused on interpersonal dynamics and to be having paraphilic sex with each other. It's just a new development and something you have to get used to. Also teenage boys were always shameless coomers which has absolutely nothing to do with how easy it is to get bizarre internet pornography in this day and age. They both just grow out of it and become normal, functional totally well adjusted adults. How is LGBT not social, cultural, and moral decay? We've been twisting ourselves up in logical loop-de-loops forgetting the objective realities that humans have 2 sexes, that sex is copulation between a male and a female, that the male and female psyches are purpose-built to compliment the other's shortcomings, and the slow and inevitable march towards the normalization of sexualizing kids as the agenda creeps ever forwards in putting these ideas in front of literal children who haven't even began sexual development. Need I mention Desmond is Amazing? Literal institutionalized pedophilia on full display and it appears that your 'radical optimism' is closing your eyes, plugging your ears with your fingers and screaming over whatever else you can hear through that. It is the contortion of normal interpersonal dynamics between people, the distortion of previously functional traditions and institutions and the bloat of culture to the point where it will increasingly become top-heavy and something will have to give before long. The Romans went through the same shit.

 

[California Newt]

Consider: musical theatre.

Or just…theatre in general.

He asked for  positives.

@Overachiever

how has Roe v. Wade benefited the Republican voter? Is he richer, more free or has greater opportunities to pursue his ambitions?

The tangible results is that less black babies are getting aborted

Making it a state legislative issue rather than a federal mandate fundamentally and obviously makes us freer to decide what kind a people we want to be.

I apologize, but Americans do not want your godless homofascist racial utopia. We'd rather make it illegal to kill babies, actually. Sorry!

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

He asked for  positives

Imagine being so lame and incurious that you hate theatre no matter if it be a Renaissance play, a ballet or a musical because it has a higher propensity of attracting homosexuals.

Making it a state legislative issue rather than a federal mandate fundamentally and obviously makes us freer to decide what kind a people we want to be.

I apologize, but Americans do not want your godless homofascist racial utopia. We'd rather make it illegal to kill babies, actually. Sorry

So do you want the states to decide the legality of abortion terms or do you want it fully illegal? Conservatives love to say they want more power to go to “the states” until said state votes for a policy they disagree with.

Actually I don’t even know why I’m asking you this. I have no idea what this has to do with LGBT discussion and I don’t understand America’s infatuation with abortion sperging.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

Wouldn't the implication in your statement here be that your sexuality isn't an aquired trait but an intrinsic one? Which is contradictory with the fact that gay people are many times more likely to have been sexually abused as children.

There's also an abundance of research suggesting that certain genetic factors do contribute to the development of homosexuality. Identical twin pairs are almost twice as likely to demonstrate same-sex attraction in comparison to their non-identical counterparts, and the finding that gay men tend to have more senior male siblings is so commonly replicated that it's been termed the "older brother effect". Although I wouldn't entirely discount the increased rate of SA among gay people, the truth is that most of us, like most people in general, grew up in stable two-parent homes without a history of abuse -- there are a handful of fags in this very thread who can attest to this.

In My Humblest Opinion there are too many confounding variables in play to definitively label homosexuality as being caused solely by genetic OR environmental factors. It's plausible that being diddled at a young age could affect a child's psyche and cause their sexual compass to point in a different direction once puberty hits; I don't think that applies to the majority of cases, however. Ask the parents of gay people and many of them will tell you that their child was a flaming faglord/dyke from the get-go (albeit probably in gentler language).

If that's not the implication, then how would exposure to pornography be wholey incapable of affecting one's sexuality when it is otherwise very capable of warping their sexual desires, and other negative sexual activity and exposure like abuse is clearly capable of affecting sexuality?

I said in my previous post that I think porn can in fact alter someone's sexuality -- I just don't believe it's capable of fully and irreversibly switching someone from one team to the other, so to speak. You claimed yourself that your homosexual feelings went away after you quit porn, so I'm not even sure where the point of disagreement is here.

Abuse that happens in a person's formative years is different, and could theoretically screw with someone's sexuality for life, particularly if it happens before they develop the capacity for attraction; conversely, people don't seek out pornography until their sexuality is already somewhat established. If you muddle up your patterns of arousal by looking at gross pictures on the Internet, you can lay off the cooming and things will (eventually, more or less) return to normal. As a fellow zoomer I've personally known a LOT of straight guys who were introduced to porn at an early age, some of whom claimed bisexuality in their teens, all of whom ended up exclusively seeking out women later on. That doesn't happen to True & Honest gays.

He asked for  positives.

I forgot people on the Farms hate fun and whimsy, my bad.

 

[GunCar Gary]

Anything to avoid the obvious implication that being sexually abused early in life will literally turn you gay, that homosexual attraction is a result of trauma.

gay cultural indoctrination has worked so well on white women that they’ll vehemently deny that getting molested can fry the wiring of children and turn them gay, even when their gay friends keep mentioning how they first had sex at 11 with adult men and wonder out loud if the two things are related

 

[California Newt]

So do you want the states to decide the legality of abortion terms or do you want it fully illegal? Conservatives love to say they want more power to go to “the states” until said state votes for a policy they disagree with.

He asked how it makes us "freer", and I answered; I never clsimed to care about "states rights" personally. I support whatever system implements the policies I support. My point was that by his own standard (freedom), a state solution would be better.

The same would obviously go for gay stuff. Both were legislated from the bench against the popular will, if that's something you for some reason pretend to care about.

Abortion came up because, just like homosexuality, it's also (in its contemporary expression) a 20th century social engineering tool used to neuter and control the population.

I'm not a "conservative", I just believe in progress in a different direction.


@Inco G. Nito

While I am not practicing in any religion, I can tell you for free that Christianity by and large is a shell of its former self and has slowly been eroded away from. You would be hard-pressed to not be able to find a church that is tolerant of faggots.

Even then, it's a misrepresentation of the ones that don't tolerate it. Ortho churches for example require you to confess it. This doesn't mean that they "hate" you. They just treat it like it's a problem you have, like alcoholism.

There might be individuals who take it too far, but IMO there's no reason to tell the whole parish in the first place. You probably wouldn't want to tell them about your foot fetish either.

If you (meaning anyone reading this) interpret the deconstruction of your gay identity as "hatred", you're not just out of your gord: you're boring. You must have nothing real to base your identity on.

It should be based on deeper moral and aesthetic sensibilities, IMO. That's ultimately what people connect on.

Maybe it's not fair to call people boring or crazy, though. It can be easy to forget how hard these things are for people to deal with mentally considering all kinds of cultural contexts and personal histories.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

I guess fags are dramatically more likely to be evil than normal people. You said it lmao

Homos aren't pedophiles. Do you sincerely believe every gay, lesbian and bisexual have such capacity for evil and will to molest a child? Do you really see homos as equal in evil to pedophiles?

Inevitably, there are some few people out there who like loli, shota, feral, etc. But they forever retain the self control or have a level of disconnect to not actually harm a real child or seek to obtain real CSAM. The problem is that it is still a child fictional or not.

If you can jerk to children and animals, you are already fucked in the head. It doesn't matter if you abstain from real CSAM or zoophilia. If that's what your own definition of high school coomerism included, kill yourself now.

It is the contortion of normal interpersonal dynamics between people, the distortion of previously functional traditions and institutions and the bloat of culture to the point where it will increasingly become top-heavy and something will have to give before long.

What "previously functional" traditions and institutions? Victorian London had widespread child prostitution with an epidemic of STDs such as syphilis going back to the Renaissance. Prostitution was so widespread that normal women walking the streets of London after nightfall were being arrested under the presumption of being prostitutes. If Tardieu's research on child sexual abuse was published today, it would've caused great societal upheaval but it was largely ignored in the 19th century because nobody in power wanted to acknowledge this problem. The third world still has significant issues with human trafficking and the prostitution of women and children to rich Westerners who cannot commit the same crimes in the "degenerate" West. These "normal" interpersonal dynamics and institutions were already being criticized at the time by writers like Zweig for being a sham and cover for society's worst impulses. There are good things about the past, but this isn't one of them.

The Romans went through the same shit.

Western Rome didn't fall because of homosex. Ironically, Roman Empire's peak was partially under Hadrian who was a notorious homo. The causes of their decay are much more complicated and can be partially blamed on the schisms introduced by Christianity between the Arianism of the Goths and the Homoiousian East. That's also ignoring all the military and economic issues faced by Western Rome. If you want to blame anyone for the fall of Eastern Rome, blame the military prowess of Catholics and Muslims.

 

[California Newt]

There's no evil beyond anybody

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

There's no evil beyond anybody

Explain.

He asked how it makes us "freer", and I answered

I don't think that you have answered my question. You state that you are freer thanks to the state solution, but are you actually any freer? What tangible benefit have you received except feeling dignified for living in an anti-abortion state? Does feeling dignified really constitute victory in your book? Besides, it's not your baby that you are stopping from being murdered. You're putting your nose all up Tyrone's and Shaniqua's business and stopping them from killing their babies.

Imagine being so lame and incurious that you hate theatre no matter if it be a Renaissance play, a ballet or a musical because it has a higher propensity of attracting homosexuals.

Theater and literature were the domain of manly men and educated gentlemen not even 100 years ago. War has degenerated modern masculinity to the point that enjoying any art other than the Bible/Quran and using separate towels for your face and ass is seen as gay or feminine. That's real cultural decay. Fags are literally the last bastion of masculinity in the arts.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Fags are literally the last bastion of masculinity in the arts.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

Homos aren't pedophiles. Do you sincerely believe every gay, lesbian and bisexual have such capacity for evil and will to molest a child? Do you really see homos as equal in evil to pedophiles?

Lmao no not all of them, but it is very common knowledge (to non 'radical optimists') that homosexuals are dramatically more likely to be pedophiles. Who do you think is molesting boys to begin with? How often do you hear about women molesting younger boys?

If you can jerk to children and animals, you are already fucked in the head. It doesn't matter if you abstain from real CSAM or zoophilia. If that's what your own definition of high school coomerism included, kill yourself now.

Then we agree!

What "previously functional" traditions and institutions? Victorian London had widespread child prostitution with an epidemic of STDs such as syphilis going back to the Renaissance. Prostitution was so widespread that normal women walking the streets of London after nightfall were being arrested under the presumption of being prostitutes. If Tardieu's research on child sexual abuse was published today, it would've caused great societal upheaval but it was largely ignored in the 19th century because nobody in power wanted to acknowledge this problem. The third world still has significant issues with human trafficking and the prostitution of women and children to rich Westerners who cannot commit the same crimes in the "degenerate" West. These "normal" interpersonal dynamics and institutions were already being criticized at the time by writers like Zweig for being a sham and cover for society's worst impulses. There are good things about the past, but this isn't one of them.

Okay. That was victorian London. And third world Mad Max shitholes. And people with infinite money who are already almost universally hated. I'm talking about the USA, now. Right now, in the USA, children in public schools are being preached to about sexuality, homosexuality, gender identity, and being given access to 'pre LGBT' pornographic school books. The previously mentioned Desmond is Amazing is just the surface of the entire pedophilic institution of 'drag kids'. (An example you totally ignored). Drag itself has become infamous as performers parade around in oversexualized garb in front of children. Pride events where children are exposed to naked men parading by on floats, and even public sex. That you had to seek backwards 200 years and look at an entirely different country to deflect from this is impressive.

Western Rome didn't fall because of homosex. Ironically, Roman Empire's peak was partially under Hadrian who was a notorious homo. The causes of their decay are much more complicated and can be partially blamed on the schisms introduced by Christianity between the Arianism of the Goths and the Homoiousian East. That's also ignoring all the military and economic issues faced by Western Rome. If you want to blame anyone for the fall of Eastern Rome, blame the military prowess of Catholics and Muslims.

And we, right now have a fair share of problems outside of da gays. The issue is that the collapse of a nation or empire is indeed, due to pressure caving in from all sides. Culture is another side from which this pressure will contribute to collapse, which is where I am arguing from. I am aware Rome did not collapse exclusively because of fags. But as we can already see, the absurd demands of this fringe subculture of fetishists contribute to the ever falling efficiency of our culture as everything becomes a battleground and nothing is left sacred. The cohesion has been, and is continuing to break down.