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J.J. Abrams' Deal or no Deal version gets boring quickly, the Rian Johnson version is always entertaining.
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It's a good video. I would only add that the fact that J.J. is a leech can't be emphasized enough. One instance that infuriated me was when he baited people into thinking they would be making a Sam Raimi Spider-Man 4 movie. But it turned out to be a publicity stunt to promote his son's Spider-Man comic. Of course, out of pure nepotism, he was given Marvel's flagship character. Non-canon, but still quite relevant. People work their asses off on Marvel for years, and they don't get to write a solo Spider-Man comic run ever. The comic stared his son's thinly veiled self insert Spider-man son, with Peter being an obvious allegory to J.J. But that's a story for another day.
More than the nepotism, I am personally more infurated by the fact that J.J. is literally incapable of doing anything without some form of parasitism, especially via nostalgia. He always has to plagiarize a more succesful story, or piggyback on someone else's success. That 4 he used isn't a coincidence. He knew damn well what he was doing.
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Well... yeah, he is a jew.
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Someone once pointed out to me that J.J.'s nose looks like a dick and I now every time I see the man it's the first thing I notice.
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He actually seems charismatic enough that in another world, I'd not mind him as the dark side mentor to a more charismatic person honestly.
It's actually the fact I could see two concepts that could have been good in Acolyte that makes it just all the more pathetic. No, these two basic outlines would never work in the Rat's hands mind you, but the Jedi Quartet if given better direction and good scripts could be the backdrop of high adventure series. Four Jedi, each with a role and lead by Squid Games guy resolving issues in the outer rim could be good episodic shit.
Smilo Ren with a decent actress as a mentee could also be interesting... you could play it as a coming of age story. Maybe play with romance and have that dark side shit and all that. But again this cannot be done under Disney's retarded malevolence and incompetence.
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*burp*Hey, hey Morty! L-look! I turned myself into a pickle jedi master! I'm Jedi Master Pickle Rick!
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it was also one of the worst spider-man comics of the last decade. a decade, which has exclusively had only bad spider-man comics.
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What about the literal cuckfic one with the redditor husband of MJ?
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I said one of, not the worst. the JJ book and that one both belong together in a garbage can though. although in all honesty I am aware of that but haven't actually read that one. I imagine even as horrible as what little I know about it is, being a spider-man fan in comics has been so terrible since 2007 I don't think there is anything I could read and get an actual reaction out of me. they've been shitting on the character for almost 20 years straight with no breaks. every now and then they drag some fossil of a writer out and let them do a story set in the time frame when they were writing the book 30/40 years ago or whatever and with the exception of those one-and-dones they have just been constantly raping 'ol pete for a long time, and I don't think they're letting up anytime soon.
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At this point I wouldn't put it past them to have Peter anally raped by a gay communist in the gulag.
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the last jedi is terrible but I will always have a little bit of respect for Johnson just taking a huge shit on TFA. I thought that was the single worst franchise movie I had ever had the displeasure of paying for, and at least felt a little better that even the guy hired to make the sequel thought it was terrible and proceeded to basically look at it and be like well, if that's the best you got I can at least put it out of its misery and ran it entirely into the ground and took every stupid mystery box set up and threw it in the garbage. it sucks because it did irreversible damage to Luke Skywalker but it was almost worth it to basically give JJ Abrams the biggest middle finger. the issue with it lies in I don't think Rian Johnson did all of that because he was saying fuck you to the previous movie, but because he's an idiot and thought he was making something great by shitting down the audience's throats.
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Counterpoint: All of the themes of the movie are KotOR 2 but done worse and with less thought. It isn't even original.
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A while ago, in this thread, I tried to write a treatment to see if a sequel to TFA using the premises TFA set up was feasible and it really wasn't. When the B plot is patching up the plot holes of the previous movie, the most I can hope for is Airplane 2, and modern media does not even rise to the level of Airplane 2. Meanwhile, writing a sequel to TLJ was easier and cleaner. So maybe, just maybe, TFA is actually worse than TLJ.
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I can't really disagree with you, but I wasn't even talking about thematic stuff just the fact he threw the plot points in the garbage.
I think TFA is much worse. and I have since TLJ came out. both suck, it's like picking between a dog turd or a cat turd. but people always say TFA set stuff up and TLJ ruined it but really I think TFA as a starting point there was almost nothing you could do that wouldn't have been horrible. it was a bad starting point. TLJ still didn't have to be terrible, they could have done something but just as a movie anyone who actually thinks TFA was fine and TLJ was worse is probably an idiot. they were both terrible.
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I think TFA is lazier than TLJ but not worse. It rehashes most of ANH but doesn't totally break the setting the way stuff like the Criser of Peace does.
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I find it interesting that, just the same way people complain that TLJ shat on all of the cool expectations and mystery boxes of TFA, there's a lot of people who actually defended TLJ for the same reasons, and think it was TROS fault that the movie now amounts to nothing
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they are also total retards. I hate JJ Abrams, but I really can't blame him or anyone involved for the Rise of Shitwalker. they were really put in a corner with that movie. Star Wars has been divisive with sequels and prequels from day 1. but during the prequels the internet and social media were not the EVERYONE is on there bitching thing it had become by the late 2010s. the force awakens was a shitty attempt to pander to china and people who hated the prequels, the last jedi was an attempt to.. i don't know pander to people who didn't like star wars in the first place, and rise of skywalker was an attempt to pander to anyone who was still around. now if they had just made george's sequels, they frankly probably would have sucked. but at least there would have been a narrative arc, even if it was terrible. making 3 movies where you don't know what the next one is going to be until you make it might have worked in the 1980s but the fact they didn't script out all 3 from the jump was the worst possible decision and why they ended up the way they did.
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Disney's insistence in destroying Luke, under Kathleen's Kennedy BPD's whims, is what did Disney Wars.
I remember when people saw the destruction of Han Solo as something positive, the rubes...
J. J. Abrams intentionally set him to evoke Palpatine/Plagueis
Got snuffed in TFA for no reason. The movie heavily implies Coruscant is blown up, but the idea was so abhorrent that they had to backtrack on it. At that time they still would backtrack on stuff.
There's no way this would ever happen in Disney Wars.
J. J. Abrams set the basis for what was a business venture rather than a franchise. The whole scheme that Abrams sold Diseny was based in the following principles:
- Nostalgia
- Anticipation
- Renovation
There was never going to be any sort of worldbuilding or depth to it, and they were very open about it. They had taken at heart the idea that the prequels had been a failure due to emphasis on worldbuilding and lore, like, bitch, you keep saying to this day that The Phantom Menace was crap yet people came in droves to see Attack of the Clones, which you keep trying to frame as a failure and people still came in droves to watch Revenge of the Sith. You could not replicate this. Your movies were bad and left people with a bad taste, and your company tried to shame the fandom into mold accusing them of every progressive sin in existence, alienating them even further. And they have not learned the lesson, unexplainably, to this day!
But had J. J. Abrams plan not being executed by total retards, that's how it would have gone:
Every film would have provided with shallow nostalgia, action, a controlled demolition of the George Lucas era and a build-up of the Disney era that would have never amounted to anything. Every mystery box would have three mystery boxes inside. We would learn who Snoke really is... Next movie. We would learn what happened to the New Republic... Next movie. We would learn why did Luke leave... Next movie. The product would have been a big pile of nothing that people would eat up, filling the gaps with more and more fan theories, internet slapfights, fanon and other parasocial stuff that keeps the machine working with the help of enthusiastic journos and, by the time the franchise was properly squeezed and drained for all its worth it would be closed in the most half-assed, despondent way. Like Lost. Like pretty much Abrams has done.
Like Marvel.
But Rian Johnson, like that Waititi fella from the Marvel movies, he thought himself very clever. He thought himself above all of this, and above the franchise. An artist. He wouldn't ever do anything properly artistic because the artery was eaten up by insincerity, so they would just shit it up and insult the fans doing a stealth parody.
Rian ruined Disney plans and they went on desperate damage control. To this day they clearly stick to Abrams original plan even though it's been game over long ago, everyone with half a brain, even the most stubborn midwits, know that there was never any end goal or grand narrative, or respect for the franchise or the lore or the fans. The only thing they've left is raging minorities which will fight people on the internet for them but won't consume the fucking product.
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Well, I was writing under the premise of something that has continuity and would be interesting to watch, not write under DEI mandates.
Judging on past performances with Bad Robot Trek, they'd just be disjointed, forgettable movies where they'd gaslight fans into saying the new movies are fine and it's not fair to compare them to the old stuff. Which is what they did with TFA outside of RLM recommendations. Just like Beyond* in the end, they'd seek out Chinese investor money only to bomb at the box office and the entire enterprise is forgotten. What happened to Bad Robot Wars is actually worse, because the bailouts they got came from DEI-aligned companies and they're more totalitarian than the Chinese. The Chinese companies were just disappointed with Paramount's ROI, Blackrock/Vanguard demand everyone suck the space lesbian cocks.
*BTW I'm still mad at RLM for recommending Beyond. Why? Because I got my dad to see it based on their recommendation and he hated the experience.
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