Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Oh no no no no no nooooo...
She's fucking lifting the story of Cersei Lannister from A Song of Ice and Fire to transplant as Stella's lore? Are you fucking joking? This woman has no shame or no original ideas of her own, so she has to copy better characters and plots from other creations. Why can't she just make something interesting? She created an entire world for the shows! Use it!

Now that I think about it, I can see the similarities from ASOIAF set-up for the Goetias. Stella is a representation of Cersei, a mother who's in a loveless marriage and hates her husband but loves her child dearly. Not only that, Cersei killed her husband in the books, and Stella in the show tried to do the same thing. Stolas is a representation of Robert Baratheon (to some extent), an aloof prick who never loved his wife and chased his desires—sexual gratification. Paimon is a representation of Tywin Lannister, a man whose only desire is to further the family name and prestige. And now Stella having an affair with her brother Andrealphus is a similar set-up as Jaime Lannister. I sincerely hope that Octavia isn't the spawn of an incestuous relationship between brother and sister... That'd be just too much for this show.

I hope all of this isn't true, because Jesus Christ if it is. :cryblood:
 
Brandon Rogers encouraged/gave Viv the idea to explore Stolitz more.
Translation: Viv asked Brandon if he would be interested in exploring Stolas more, Brandon said "yeah that'd be a pretty cool side plot", and Viv took that as permission to make it the entire focus of the show. Either that or it's bullshit and Brandon had no input on it at all
 
Viv said "Wish we had more time w/ Adam" indicating he will not reappear as a sinner in HH.
Pretty much already knew this but welp, so much for that fan theory. I really hate her attitude here of “I wish he didn’t have to die but it was inevitable for plot” like bitch shut up, you’re the one who chose to permanently kill him off despite him allegedly being one of your favorite Hazbin characters. With how absolutely shit her writing is she easily could’ve included some sort of work around for him to respawn as a sinner, not to mention it would be both interesting and karmic. But we can’t have good writing with Vivienne Medrano at the wheel, can we?

Stolas will not die like many think.
>Viv isn’t afraid to kill off characters
>”NO NOT MY BABY STOLAS he needs to have his happily ever after with his little imp uwu”

Once again, what a surprise. In a perfect world we’d see that mopey twink get obliterated. This just further convinces me Stella and/or Andre eventually get offed.
 
Wow, I don't watch the show and just follow updates here. I was hoping EStolaSacerdotal would fucking die, he looks like a prick. "I'm not afraid of offing characters, but don't kill my favourite character guyse!"

Other users here are talking about A Song of Ice and Fire, and it does seem like she's taking inspiration from the books - and I do like to wonder: This show probably started as a goofball-esque story, now threading a path of seriousness (and homosexuality). Where else will it go? It's so confusing... Just bring fucking Euron Greyjoy so he will rule hell already or something. Or hell, maybe Joffrey Baratheon, Ramsay Bolton & Euron Greyjoy so they kill everyone.
 
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They're probably gonna cram a half-assed generic story akin to the 2017 MLP Movie.
If they do this the movie will most likely fail or at least underperform. The only ones who'd go to watch it are the die-hard fans of the series. In a normal world having a generic story about an existing series that has a ton of good story potential would alienate your existing fans, but Vivzie's fans aren't exactly normal so who knows.
 
If they do this the movie will most likely fail or at least underperform. The only ones who'd go to watch it are the die-hard fans of the series. In a normal world having a generic story about an existing series that has a ton of good story potential would alienate your existing fans, but Vivzie's fans aren't exactly normal so who knows.
Not just die-hard fans of a series, but die-hard fans of both series. I know that intersection is big, but still that will further cut down Viv's chances of making money off this money or even making its budget back. There are several Hazbin fans who aren't interested in the imp owl soap opera of Helluva, and there are several Helluva fans not interested in the grand scale loreshit of Hazbin.
 
If they do this the movie will most likely fail or at least underperform. The only ones who'd go to watch it are the die-hard fans of the series. In a normal world having a generic story about an existing series that has a ton of good story potential would alienate your existing fans, but Vivzie's fans aren't exactly normal so who knows.
Not just die-hard fans of a series, but die-hard fans of both series. I know that intersection is big, but still that will further cut down Viv's chances of making money off this money or even making its budget back. There are several Hazbin fans who aren't interested in the imp owl soap opera of Helluva, and there are several Helluva fans not interested in the grand scale loreshit of Hazbin.
What would the movie plot be about? Hell becomes superHell dominated by Demons? I mean... they could make it something like a "Good" lord like a Doom Slayer-esque guy does something that unbalances both Heaven and Hell and they must fight together to throw the guy away...? While exploring more lore about Heaven & Hell too, and not slapstick comedy and just ike the MLP movie (that I was told) - make it seem like a Fallout-esque thing. Make it seem that the Doom Slayer dude really kicked ass and took names. But there's not enough time for sodomy in a story like this.
 
That's up to Amazon and she'll be lucky if she gets a third season.
yeah, hazbin didn't do that well and shows are getting cancelled left and right. Tbh I don't think it will get more than 2 seasons.

Helluva might do a bit better but with the decline in views, people getting tired of the Stolas bullshit, Spindlehorse outsourcing most of the animation to Toon City and ex employs possibly coming forward, it will probably end half way through season 3 in a rushed finale. Also merch sales have been doing worse and worse so the animation quality will probably get a lot worse.

I do wonder what will Viv do after all this tho, it's not like she has much going on besides the hellaverse. Maybe comics for die hard fans
 
yeah, hazbin didn't do that well and shows are getting cancelled left and right. Tbh I don't think it will get more than 2 seasons
I mean it actually did pretty well in terms of ratings and shit. Maybe not writing wise but it brought so many viewers for streaming which is all Mr. Bezos cares about.

Given Amazon isn’t as likely to cancel shows as fast as WB or Disney, I can see it getting a third season if Season Two brings in similar numbers.
 
yeah, hazbin didn't do that well and shows are getting cancelled left and right. Tbh I don't think it will get more than 2 seasons.

Helluva might do a bit better but with the decline in views, people getting tired of the Stolas bullshit, Spindlehorse outsourcing most of the animation to Toon City and ex employs possibly coming forward, it will probably end half way through season 3 in a rushed finale. Also merch sales have been doing worse and worse so the animation quality will probably get a lot worse.

I do wonder what will Viv do after all this tho, it's not like she has much going on besides the hellaverse. Maybe comics for die hard fans
I'll give Viv this, she does have the option of returning to/rebooting Zoophobia if both shows end up getting cancelled. Unlike Helluva/Hazbin, she can do Zoophobia on her own.
 
I want to see what the hell vivzie pulls for stella backstory, mostly because she made stella so awful and zero dimensional that this fandom already collectively decided that Stella would never get a backstory and how great it is that "a villain is just evil for once".

>If Stella was abused by family

This will lead to hilarious amount of backlash as people would say vivzie is redeeming an abuser (somehow). Fujoshis from all corners of the world will tweet death threats if it happens.

>If Stela hates Stolas because of a "misunderstanding" or lie

This one make both Stella and Stolas innocent which would be the safest choice yet funniest in sheer absurdity. Very unlikely to happen.

>If Stella was cheating Stolas with Andre

Stella haters will have a field day but lgbt crowd will be upset that Andre wasnt gay like vivzie promoted. Also normies will be grossed out by canon incest so it's more likely someone tard wrangled her out of this choice.

Bonus crack theory: Stella was abused by Andre because he was always loved Stolas and wishes he married him

Sike! You thought this was about Stella backstory but it's about her gay brother and Stolas! Welcome to the tragic yaoi show sucker!

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I want to see what the hell vivzie pulls for stella backstory, mostly because she made stella so awful and zero dimensional that this fandom already collectively decided that Stella would never get a backstory and how great it is that "a villain is just evil for once".

>If Stella was abused by family

This will lead to hilarious amount of backlash as people would say vivzie is redeeming an abuser (somehow). Fujoshis from all corners of the world will tweet death threats if it happens.

In the end, it's on Vivziepop for establishing to her numb-brained audience that Stella's this one-note villain who doesn't have any personality other than being a one-note villain. Again, one-note villains can work in some cases, but they STILL NEED TO HAVE DEPTH AND ACTUALLY BE FLESHED OUT. You can't have someone so close to one of the creator's pet main characters be nothing but a screaming banshee. But what does it matter? They'll just do whatever they can to continue antagonizing Stella and making a grown man with the emotional maturity of a teenager who just discovered what emotions were act like the oppressed victim.

It still doesn't make sense to me, though. What if Stolas wasn't attractive to the fandom? What if he was a disgusting looking rich Goetia? It's the only reason people are defending someone who literally doesn't have to do anything else other than use the book once a month. A Goetia that Vivziepop gaslighted into being the oppressed and the literal marginalized the oppressor. Their minds would've absolutely changed if Stolas wasn't this attractive gay owl boye in the fandom and he was your usual grotesque or average looking rich dude.

Maybe it wouldn't change. Maybe people would still wildly defend his actions but maybe at a less higher scale compared to now. Who knows?

Due to the evidently declining views of HB and its equally declining merch, I honestly think Season 3 and especially 4 is gonna struggle in production and completion.

They're probably gonna have to cut a few frames and cheapen animating/cleanup and if they do not, then outcry from ex-employees will get louder and news of abuse at SH will just get worse.

Oh, I know they're gonna shill merch even more in the next season. Probably in between the episodes at this point. It'll be more overpriced than your average Californian supermarket. People are already realizing the absurd prices for a lot of them, not to mention some of them are just literal merch of screenshots from the show. They're gonna be much lazier in next season's merch. I can see it.

Stolitz shippers have to be retarded to think there would be stakes in their plot. Most of the season has been about their love story, like no fucking shit they'd be together.

Hah, never expect fans to think more than what the fandom and Vivziepop tells them to think. There's no stakes whatsoever and the only "stakes" are more Blitzo antagonizing and rushed out angst that'd make your average Alpha Male Werewolf x Nerdy Girl fanfic on 2013 Wattpad seem like a New York Times Bestseller.
 
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Stolitz shippers have to be retarded to think there would be stakes in their plot. Most of the season has been about their love story, like no fucking shit they'd be together.

It's really sad how Vivzie is so coward and pathetic as a writer that she can't even milk her yaoi drama without telling the viewers to "please trust the ship, you will love it later!".

In the end, it's on Vivziepop for establishing to her numb-brained audience that Stella's this one-note villain who doesn't have any personality other than being a one-note villain. Again, one-note villains can work in some cases, but they STILL NEED TO HAVE DEPTH AND ACTUALLY BE FLESHED OUT. You can't have someone so close to one of the creator's pet main characters be nothing but a screaming banshee. But what does it matter? They'll just do whatever they can to continue antagonizing Stella and making a grown man with the emotional maturity of a teenager who just discovered what emotions were act like the oppressed victim.

Oh vivzie deserves all the flak she'll get, but tbh, Stella being a one note villain would be fine, but vivzie failed at that too. Stella isnt even one dimensional because that implies a line or gradient, she is a single dot that says "I hate stolas".

But either way i'm gonna rant a bit cause i realize now that Vivzie doesnt get the problem with Stella.

>We will get into Stella's backstory and she'll become more of a villain eventually.

Vivzie thinks people criticize Stella writing because she has no tragic backstory yet. She thinks people dislike millie for the same reason. She is too deep into fanfic brainrot to understand that character depth isnt defined how many sad flashbacks you write. How out of touch do you have to be where your priority is giving your "villain" a backstory before developing their dynamics.

IMO Stella doesnt need a backstory, she needs to exist outside of Stolas. All Stella needs is one single scene with her own daughter. Not even a wholesome perfect one. Anything to clarify this mother and daughter know each other exist. That they have a life outside the gay owl.

But instead vivzie will give Stella some kind of sad flashback and make her want to kill Stolas again to "balance it out" because of course. Note the implication: We will get into Stella's backstory and she'll become more of a villain eventually. Stella can't JUST get a backstory cause that would humanize her and the goal isnt making her human, it's so vivzie can look like a good writer(TM).

It still doesn't make sense to me, though. What if Stolas wasn't attractive to the fandom? What if he was a disgusting looking rich Goetia? It's the only reason people are defending someone who literally doesn't have to do anything else other than use the book once a month. A Goetia that Vivziepop gaslighted into being the oppressed and the literal marginalized the oppressor. Their minds would've absolutely changed if Stolas wasn't this attractive gay owl boye in the fandom and he was your usual grotesque or average looking rich dude.

Maybe it wouldn't change. Maybe people would still wildly defend his actions but maybe at a less higher scale compared to now. Who knows?

This has always been the case and many fandoms have examples, especially harry potter. You'll rarely someone defend or ship peter petigrew who is canonically ugly but every death eater with a handsome actor has dedicated shipper squad, and those without actors get fancasted by tiktokers and twisted into yaoi OCs.

Heck, even within Stolitz, shippers are more prone to take Stolas side as he's the "fragile handsome twink".
 
I mean it actually did pretty well in terms of ratings and shit. Maybe not writing wise but it brought so many viewers for streaming which is all Mr. Bezos cares about.

Given Amazon isn’t as likely to cancel shows as fast as WB or Disney, I can see it getting a third season if Season Two brings in similar numbers.
Remember the insider info I got from one of my professors I posted here before. Amazon is trying to outbid other streaming services for Helluva Boss as well. Who knows how long the polarity of these shows will last, but at least at this moment, these streaming companies are seeing profits.
 
Remember the insider info I got from one of my professors I posted here before. Amazon is trying to outbid other streaming services for Helluva Boss as well. Who knows how long the polarity of these shows will last, but at least at this moment, these streaming companies are seeing profits.
Season 1 of LOTR: Rings of Power costed Amazon at least $150 Million (with at least one billion dollars being put up for five seasons) and that's not including licensing costs, marketing, and the countless other off the books stuff that make a reported budget much lower than it actually is, Hazbin is a rounding error for the money being poured into Prime.

Now A24 is the ones really in charge of Hazbin, but considering they're using this to try and break into the animation market they have extra incentive to stick with it, and considering everything lasts at least two seasons nowadays, season one would have had to be a catastrophic disaster for Hazbin not to at least be a three season show.
 
Helluva might do a bit better but with the decline in views, people getting tired of the Stolas bullshit, Spindlehorse outsourcing most of the animation to Toon City and ex employs possibly coming forward, it will probably end half way through season 3 in a rushed finale. Also merch sales have been doing worse and worse so the animation quality will probably get a lot worse.
My guess if ends up being that short and rushed? Mastermind will be the final outing with DHORKS and Cherubs and they defeat them. Stolas and Blitzo be on friendly terms again in Sinsmas (Season 2 finale) because Blitzo saves Stolas from being crushed by Andrepussy. Season 3's debut episode will give us the Stella backstory/sob story. Stella teams up with Crimson and Striker one last time in a final battle against IMP and that will be the plot for the very short Season 3 (as you said, it's halfway done). Series finale arrives. Moxxie kills Crimson, Millie kills Striker, and Stolas and Blitzo both beat the shit out of Stella and she either dies or redeems herself during the season (because of course she does). Blitzo and Stolas do their big kiss and the series ends.
 
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