Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Much like pilot Alastor, pilot Stolas was better.

Not only was his design intimidating with that sharp appearance and narrow eyes, but his personality actually gave off sinister vibes. His original voice was genuine villain material, and he was a rapist who blackmailed Blitzø.

If only Viv had kept Stolas as an (intentional) antagonist. He could’ve had potential.
 
Much like pilot Alastor, pilot Stolas was better.

Not only was his design intimidating with that sharp appearance and narrow eyes, but his personality actually gave off sinister vibes. His original voice was genuine villain material, and he was a rapist who blackmailed Blitzø.

If only Viv had kept Stolas as an (intentional) antagonist. He could’ve had potential.
Pilot Stolas is just a completely different character at this point.

Pilot and Show Alastor have at least some consistent qualities with each other and are both evil pieces of shit.

Stolas is just three different characters now

Pilot Stolas who was Blitzo’s benefactor who had the transactional relationship and was causing problems on Earth.

Season 1 Stolas who still had that trait but he was more of a personal threat to Blitzo than someone causing problems on Earth as far as we know, and had maybe developed feelings due to the marriage he caused to fall apart. He also had a lot of power that made him fairly intimidating.

Season 2 Stolas is an uwu sad boy who was childhood friends with Blitzo who forgets he even has powers and might as well be the star crossed lover trope at this point. Not to mention he’s a damsel in distress whose only power shown is that he’s good at handling business negotiations.

Amazing how Vivzie can speedrun flanderizing one of her characters.
 
Yeah, Blitzo managing to bag a superstar like Verosika despite being a gremlin was supposed to be the joke, according to the IMP reaction to learning about their past relationship in Spring Broken. He was never characterized as hot, just an annoying sex pest.

But then we learn he slept with dozens of succubus, hellhounds and other demons, and somehow they are still all hung up on him enough to go to a yearly party about him ? I can understand Verosika feeling hurt over him as they were in a relationship, but how exactly did he screw over his one night stands ? Someone in the writer room got ghosted on Grindr and it was the epitome of their love life.

Now that I think about it, one of the major changes about Blitzo is probably how he went from being a Michael Scott in demon form in Season 1, to Viv trying hard to push him as a Tumblr sexyman in Season 2. That's the guy who sexually harrassed his employees and has a fetish for horses.
They're either way too attached to a one night stand, which is stupid: or they actually did date Blitzø at some point...which is even more stupid. I don't know what accounts for attractiness in Hell (because Fizzaroli is for some reason the pinnacle of sexiness in this universe), but Blitzø is definitely in no way a smooth talker. That's more of Striker's thing (mainly talking about his S1 iteration). That guy was oozing with charm, so it makes sense that people would not notice or ignore the subtle red flags he gives off.

Blitzø, on the other hand, is throwing the red flags straight into people's faces. He's very blunt with his wording and says whatever comes into his mind. Of course the majority of people he runs into aren't going to like him. He's an asshole. It would make sense if they hated him from the beginning, but no. The people at the party only hate him because they loved him at one point. So much so they have to go to a party once a year to hang out with other people who loved him but now despise him. It's just doesn't make any logical sense.
Well, I'll take her word with tons of salt, but even if that isn't true. Having to storyboard, animate, and cleanup each episode for months and then repeat that process for several more episodes is actual hell. No wonder the ex-employees are excited to spill the beans this month (or after July depending on when the NDAs will exactly expire).
Viv, you dumb bitch. People aren't say you have 400 people working for you. They're saying that over the past 17 episodes there have been in total over 400 people. They're pointing out how people will be credited for a couple of episodes, and then never credited again for the entire series. They're noticing how odd, especially for season 2, there will be new people working on each episode. They find it strange that out of all the animated shows, both indie and mainstream (including your show Hazbin Hotel), doesn't have such a big turnover rate like Helluva Boss does. They thinks it's weird that you're opening up applications for more animators after each episode is aired. Either you're just that stupid that you don't know what is actually being asked, or you do know what is being asked but you think your audience is that stupid enough to accept an answer that wasn't even part of the question.

And I can't really blame people for quitting after one or two episode. If it is true that an episode takes around 3 months to complete, then no wonder people feel overstressed and overworked. You're expecting your workers to get an episode done 2/3rds quicker than the usual time it takes for an episode to get completed in other shows that have less complicated designs. I'm not surprised that episodes have gotten delayed. You're probably working on them till right before they get released on YouTube.
 
the characters have shrunk, while their faces remain relatively the same size or have gotten bigger. I don't know what other word to use other than that they got chibified.
Now where have I seen that before?
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Some of y'all are overthinking the party full of Blitzo's exes.

Throw a party, people will show up.

Party theme? Um... we all fucked this guy. Well fuck that guy!

Notice that most of the people there were hanging out and doing normal party things. Talking, dancing, burning someone in effigy. No one was being a sad sack about it until Stolas showed up, and even then he was really the only one upset-upset.
 
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Some of y'all are overthinking the party full of Blitzo's exes.

Throw a party, people will show up.

Party theme? Um... we all fucked this guy. Well fuck that guy!

Notice that most of the people there were hanging out and doing normal party things. Talking, dancing, burning someone in effigy. No one was being a sad sack about it until Stolas showed up, and even then he was really the only one upset-upset.
I mean there were regular people there but we got some parts where we see some losers crying and hugging each other over it. It doesn’t help Viv is framing it like all these guys are his exes, if it was some randos having fun, it would’ve been pointed out probably.
 
Guys, I have the funniest but also saddest speculation that might be unlikely cause Sam Hack already said there will be more songs for the next season but, imagine if Season 2 of Hazbin will be so fucking lazy that all they're gonna do is just reuse the same songs from the first season but just have other characters sing them and change the lyrics a bit.

Think the fucking MilkyyMelodies rewrites but they unironically use those as the soundtrack. I think even the fans would call them out if they did this.
As someone who's gotten enjoyment out of Viv's work I can confirm people would call them out myself included.
 
Pilot Stolas is just a completely different character at this point.

Pilot and Show Alastor have at least some consistent qualities with each other and are both evil pieces of shit.
My two cents as someone who has never actually seen either pilot but has heard a decent amount about them is the reason a lot of people were more attached to these characters in the pilot is because of the quality of their characterization. As a result, people became intrigued and they grew in popularity. It feels like Viv acknowledges this, enjoys the attention those characters receive, and decides to more or less make them the main characters. But because they've morphed into her creator pets, she has to erase what she sees as flaws, not realizing that a lot of what people like was a result of those perceived "flaws". Especially because in many cases, those flaws related to the character being evil. And to give her the faintest bit of credit...sometimes you have to do that with your main character. To instantly take that credit away, one of the perks of setting your show in hell is that you can not only get away with having more flawed characters due to the setting, but your audience is more or less expecting those traits because the shows are set in hell.

Obviously this is an extreme example, but if you were writing a character like Superman and had him blackmailing people for sex, then yeah, the audience would turn on him and rightly point out he's a villain. Nobody wants to read about a character who is supposed to be a bastion of morality doing something that is blatantly bad. But a demon or assassin who is literally in hell? It's completely different context. When Darth Vader chokes a subordinate for questioning him, we can see him as a badass because he's the villain. If Han said "I have a bad feeling about this" to Luke's plan, and Luke responded by choking him out, it'd be entirely out of character and people would sour on him.

That isn't to say characters can't change. It's actually something that the audience tends to enjoy, seeing their flawed characters face conflict, which causes them to transform and change their ways. But you have to actually build up on it. With some shows, it takes multiple episodes, others an entire season. Hell, some shows it's even the entire premise. It's not something that just happens off screen with no explanation.

It'd be one thing if she said the pilot episodes weren't actually canon. I mean, sometimes shows change from pilot to syndication. There might be tonal shifts, or even a character or two disappearing/new people being introduced. But these changes are to tweak things that don't work. For example, in the Seinfeld pilot, Jerry makes a comment about how Kramer hasn't left the apartment for 10 years, and this was envisioned as being part of his character (IIRC, it's even a couple of episodes before you see him outside of the apartment) but they realized how limiting that would be, since he'd basically show up in apartment scenes and wouldn't have all these zany off screen friends and adventures to reference.

If people are vocal about enjoying certain traits/settings/whatever, you don't want to remove those ones. If people responded well to Kramer in the pilot episode because he was goofy and whimsical, the writers wouldn't make him a straight laced wallstreet snob. I think it's a problem with Viv/the tumblr writing audience she seems to base her work on. One of the reasons Mary/Gary stues are so often seen in fanfic is a certain crowd of writers/readers gets very critical if a character is flawed. Usually because of projection issues. I don't think anyone was specifically saying that with Viv's characters to force her to change them, but I think because her own writing style is so based on tumblr-esque fanfic, she naturally applied that logic to her popular characters once she decided they were the mains, because in her mind, that's just how main characters are supposed to be.
 
But noooo, of course it had to be about fucking Stolitz again. Not even a flashback with Verosika, nada. Like any female character in this show, she is just there to further the plot about the real stars of the show, the gayz. And here we go again with "will they won't they" plot, in case we are on the edge of our seats about who Stolas will chose between the nameless background character he drunkingly hooked up with, and the guy whose relationship with we wasted half the season screetime on.
The Stolitz plot is just getting stupid now (not that it was ever smart) because now Blitzo is looking like a battered housewife chasing after a guy who is awful for him. It's like the universe is telling him to leave the gay owl alone but he cannot help himself, compelled by writers fetishizing a toxic, one-sided romance.

Honestly, Stolas being called out at this point doesn't mean anything because he was already called out and literally just tanked it. He doesn't see himself as wrong, he sees himself as the victim despite that not being true. Who would he even listen too? His wife that he hates? His family that he distances himself from? His daughter who already said that she's not okay with him dating an Imp for cheap thrills?

Vivienne is a grown ass woman and she's writing characters that 14 year olds thinks are shallow and contradictory.
I love how Blitzo and Verosika's relationship was completely offscreen and only discussed in a few scenes yet ironically comes off as more interesting and actually believably toxic than Stolitz. Like Viv's fujo brain wanted to hype Stolitz up as the greatest toxic yaoi, but ended up unintentionally writing a far better (relatively speaking) toxic hetero couple. Hmmmmm.
Oh yeah, far and away the most interesting thing in that episode, and do you know why? Because they act like actual people with actual flaws. Blitzo being a a fanfiction sex god is cancelled out by the fact that Verosika is a succubus so they can't really play up that angle. So you get the impression their relationship was based off of actual affection, which makes it feel more real.
 
Apparently for Stella's backstory and POV, which Viv stated we'll get in the future, she took inspiration from Beatrice from Bojack. And all I have to say is, no. Bojack is kinda overrated but tbh, but Beatrice, despite how hateable she was, always had her tragic past and troubled life hinted at even when she was being an abusive and vile bitch. So when we finally flashed back to her past, it didn't feel contradictory.

Meanwhile Stella is this one-dimensional womanchild whose entire personality is "I love hating on Stolas. Ain't I so evil? Muahahahahahaha". Giving her backstory gravitas is kind of like if Big Jack Horner/Bill Cipher suddenly had a flashback episode and his backstory was that of Scarlemagne from Kipo or Magneto from X-Men. Like wtf?
 
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Apparently for Stella's backstory and POV, which Viv stated we'll get in the future, she took inspiration from Beatrice from Bojack. And all I have to say is, no. Bojack is kinda overrated but tbh, but Beatrice, despite how hateable she was, always had her tragic past and troubled life hinted at even when she was being an abusive and vile bitch. So when we finally flashed back to her past, it didn't feel contradictory.

Meanwhile Stella is this one-dimensional womanchild whose entire personality is "I love hating on Stolas. Ain't I so evil? Muahahahahahaha". Giving her backstory gravitas is kind of like if Big Jack Horner/Bill Cipher suddenly had a flashback episode and his backstory was that of Scarlemagne from Kipo or Magneto from X-Men. Like wtf?
To be fair Stella’s life could have potential for tragedy to work with, but as you said Vivzie made her one dimensional.

Like Vivzie could’ve perhaps hinted at it instead of making her overly sadistic and stupid in the two episodes she appeared in the season.
 
50 episodes of Helluva Boss is the plan.
We get to have fun sitting through 43 more episodes of this shit.
I hope we get delays, production troubles, and more personal troubles of everyone at Spindlehorse so that by the time both Helluva and Hazbin are only halfway through their completion Viv will be as old as George RR Martin and die before either are completed.
 
I hope we get delays, production troubles, and more personal troubles of everyone at Spindlehorse so that by the time both Helluva and Hazbin are only halfway through their completion Viv will be as old as George RR Martin and die before either are completed.
Eh I don’t want anyone to die unless they’re a truly bad person and Viv doesn’t strike me as that. Personally I’d rather the whole thing get bought out by someone else and the entire vision of the series’ changed.
Elon has his issues, but he might buy and save Star Wars.
I’d laugh my ass off if he bought Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss to spite Bezos.
 
Eh I don’t want anyone to die unless they’re a truly bad person and Viv doesn’t strike me as that. Personally I’d rather the whole thing get bought out by someone else and the entire vision of the series’ changed.
Elon has his issues, but he might buy and save Star Wars.
I’d laugh my ass off if he bought Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss to spite Bezos.
Elon buys Helluva Boss and fires the voice cast, replacing Brandon Rogers with Nick Fuentes.
 
I haven't had the drive to reply here. I've been in a bit of a dry spell recently. Not because I was losing interest but because I was focusing on other things that made focusing here a bit difficult, so I lurked for a little.

But if I were to summarize what everyone's been saying here that I'm too lazy to reply to, it'd be,

"Yeah, ya' got a point, yeah. Wow, I didn't see that before!" (x20)

"Wait, what? I didn't even catch that. Even on a visual and design standpoint, they're making Stolas the show's ultimate conformation bias tool! This makes me despise Stolas more now!"

You’re wholeheartedly correct that all these people who came to this pathetic party are just one-night stands. Proof? Dennis from S1EP8 is one of the attendees. A guy who only made out with Blitz at Bee’s party, nothing more. What a sad bunch of cringy losers.

All of Blitzo's """"""""exs"""""""" (except Verosika, the only actual ex) are grown men and women having an unreasonable grudge and tantrum over a dude who's the entire personality of "AVOID AT ALL COSTS" and being so petty about the dude that you celebrate this hackshaw party on hating him instead of using it as a way to move on from him because again, no one's questioning this??

I asked about this with someone and the best thing they told me was to not question it. That it didn't matter because the episode's meant to focus on Stolas. But it does matter? It helps give us a better insight on Blitzo and how he treats others. Just merely showing the crowd and yet having NOTHING being explained on what he exactly did to these people makes no sense. This isn't how to work with "Show, don't Tell" because we, the audience, need to know what he did these people. What did he do? Did he mistreat them, take advantage of them, anything?

No! We're just told to believe these are ALL his ex's and we can't question it. Nope, no thinking in this household. Just accept that these whiners just so happened got their feelings hurt by BLITZO of all demons in hell! Wowsa!
 
Elon buys Helluva Boss and fires the voice cast, replacing Brandon Rogers with Nick Fuentes.
I don't know who Brandon Rogers plays in the cartoon, but I can picture Faguentes being all over the top and zainy one day and then suddenly depressed and unwilling to commit to schedules. Maybe if they bring Jaden McNeil to voice a character things could go well or arwy.
 
Recently watched both shows and honestly I care more about the side characters than Blitzo. I really can't tell what they're going to do with some of the main (now minor) characters in Helluva like Millie and Loona. Are we going to get more of them and fleshed out stories featuring their own sort of deals or will it crumble into shipping fan fic storylines where mentally deficient twitter users screech over who should fuck who? I mean they already do that but it could get worse. I mean what do they even plan to do?
 
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