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My friend, must everything be a Hitler reaction meme? If you have to post from the pub at least throw in some drinking songs while you're at it:

As I was a lookin' over the far famed Kiwi forums
I saw that Sciverfroggo and the comics he was grifting
I cursed the dupes who bought them and I then addressed Van Sceever
Saying "stand and deliver" for you are a bald deceiver

Wash-your-brain-down-a-drain-down-your-drawers
Shill for the froggy-yo
Shill for the froggy-yo
He'll wish he lied for more
 
She says this business is separate from comics.
I have no idea what Yanzi's passions are, so I can't speak to what product she's selling nor what the price ranges of that product are.
I'm pretty certain that she's got an Ebay store where she sells general nerd shit/collectibles.

If I had to guess, I'd say she's likely importing "asain market only" stuff and selling it in the US.
 
they just have to stop putting out garbage, make it cheaper, trim the fat and stop selling them in the dumbest way fucking possible.
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to be fair i think comics should steal manga's distribution and pricing model but you don't have to literally turn them into manga. western comics still have appeal without giving batman giant eyes and having him say "sugoi!" constantly.

the only really superior thing about manga story wise is manga is more willing to have a definite ending for their stories and characters. which is a plus in some cases, heaven knows it would've been better to end peter parkers story completely instead of making "one more day"
 
Checking in on the rotting corpse of this thread and Comicsgate in general
I saw the reaction to this dm drop and had to say something
@FascistKirk :Evidently you conveniently missed the part where I said, quite literally, HE DOESN'T OWE ME ANYTHING. This is why I have said that Ethan doesn't owe me shit A MILLION TIMES... but no matter how many times I say that (and mean it, btw), it just doesn't matter. "You sound entitled! Ethan doesn't owe you anything!"

Fucking Flying Monkeys give zero fucks: the stick with they reality that has been created for them.

"Provide receipts!"
Provides receipts.
"Still... no!"

Bro complaining about all this stuff and teasing these dm for months did not work out great for you. If you knew he didn't owe you anything why did you say you have damning dm evidence or whatever when you first appeared here.

You might as well go further down this road:

Get more efficient at being a heel to @FROG it's just kind of sad right now for you.

Why would a real publisher by Boom!? I thought they were basically a walking corpse at this point. Guess I was wrong.

Random House Is Buying Boom! Studios
They have BRZRKR
you don't have to literally turn them into manga. western comics still have appeal without giving batman giant eyes and having him say "sugoi!" constantly.

You could turn them literally into manga. The manga where Joker raises a baby batman is great! Sugoi!
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The "trap" you and a lot of Comicsgaters fall into here is:
The only trap here is the guy who face apps himself as a girl named Cindy and sexted guys. Oh there is romance author Daniela Acera too. Is what you guys are doing, pretending to be women the thing that Comicsgate was missing?


CG where you think that if the medium goes back to how it was before everything went to shit that it'll somehow rebound

Comicsgate was a failure for reasons documented on thousands of pages here. Discussions about fixing the medium are some kind of ancient Comicsgate shit, it's not been about the medium since before 2018. It's about promoting Ethan & friends. They might say a little thing or two about comics as a hook to get paypigs or string them along but it's not the main point. One day i'll get around to editing that OP blurb a little better to include that kind of statement clearly outlined. But even as a drama watching thing CG is not quite as fun after the dimensional merge with the sektur. It's been a bunch of bullshit since then. Though I enjoyed having Kino Casino cover Star Wars Girl's dirt eating! Kino indeed.
 
appeal without giving batman giant eyes and having him say "sugoi!" constantly.
"Manga has appeal in the West without making Goku gay, and having a menstruating Black Piccolo screaming "They killin' us out here" constantly."
If you wanna fix the problem with comics, you gotta stop looking down your fucking nose at manga.
You say that CG made a mistake, but you won't point at it beyond "them edgybois". You're stuck thinking that this is just "Well if a BASED guy got in there--" No. Kids HATE comic books. HATE THEM. Anyone under 18 hasn't had a comic book in their hand that didn't BITCH at them about something they didn't know exists, let alone gave a shit about. It's not gonna turn around because "HEY KIDS! THE LEZBOS AND SOY BOYS ARE GONE!"

American comics can be fixed with: Black and White newsprint pages, and to the point storytelling. No more moral at the end, no more big long Bendis novels at the front. No more bold face political doctrines with their underwear on the outside.

I'm migrating the next arc of The Colossals to this model. Once this first arc is finished, I'm done with American style comics. It's poison to anyone under 30. Even then the Millennials grew up with the Asian Invasion of the early 2000s. So loyalty to comics for the 30-45 year olds is weak at best.

A lot of Comicsgaters fall into this thinking you have. The snapshot you took of comics when you were last invested is the only vision of the market you have. Go walk around a Barns and Noble. Go to the local library and just ask "Hey excuse me, you work here right? I'm concerned with manga, do you see a lot of manga come and go from the library here?" Hell, go talk to your local comicbook shop owner about it. Even the old stuff doesn't sell very well with kids anymore. They recognize Western comics as BAD universally.

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The longer you spit on manga "It's all uwus and googley eyes", the further behind the shift you're going to be.
 
You say that CG made a mistake, but you won't point at it beyond "them edgybois". You're stuck thinking that this is just "Well if a BASED guy got in there--
the fuck are you talking about? I've long said in this thread that most comics need better writing that too many of them are generic nonsense slop that nobody (including the writers) care about. but the fact of the matter is comics could be telling the best stories ever and they'd still be failing because the distribution method is basically designed to fail. they need to make them cheaper and get them into places people actually go instead of ever disappearing neet dungeons.
No. Kids HATE comic books. HATE THEM. Anyone under 18 hasn't had a comic book in their hand that didn't BITCH at them about something they didn't know exists, let alone gave a shit about. It's not gonna turn around because "HEY KIDS! THE LEZBOS AND SOY BOYS ARE GONE!"
i get it, you're not a fan of western comics and think manga is Superior. but this assertion that kids would/do hate comics while all of their favorite characters are comicbook characters is retarded.

i worked with tons of young guys (18-24) a few years ago, everyone of them was a fan of either marvel or DC comics and most had tons of them on external hard drives. They didn't just become fans of Comics over night either, they were reading them as teenagers. the idea that western comic as a genre needs to die because everyone "recognize Western comics as BAD universally" is just wrong.
American comics can be fixed with: Black and White newsprint pages, and to the point storytelling. No more moral at the end, no more big long Bendis novels at the front. No more bold face political doctrines with their underwear on the outside.
I'm not disagreeing that manga has a better distribution style or that western comics need to be better written but nothing you've listed here is unique to manga, it's just good business practices and good storytelling.
The longer you spit on manga "It's all uwus and googley eyes", the further behind the shift you're going to be.
i was being tongue and cheek my guy. i don't "spit on manga". I don't like the art style as much as traditional western comics, but it's got a lot of good shit. I'm not however gonna claim that it's somehow the be all end all of picture books and every other type should just become it or nobody will like it and they're doomed to fail.
 
What people tried to explain to Brian from the start was that
  • People on the farms have seen EVS do horrible shit time and time again.
  • No revelation will change the minds of his core audience (cult).
  • EVS will never be completely powerless until diabetes finally claims him or his audience.
  • There is zero overlap between EVS's audience and your own. No Trashcast viewer is waiting for the next Six-Gun Gorilla.

If anything I'm kind of surprised Brian was still on OK-ish terms with EVS in 2022. The only way to co-exist with EVS is to be a slimey, subservient pedophilic worm like B.A. Turner, author of Vigilantes' Creed (goodreads profile).

In retrospect, even Preston was kind of right. If you're agreeing to host someone and that person is scheduling their campaign launch based on that arrangement, only for you to chimp out over nothing, you're sabotaging their business.

On the bright side, there is definitely a more viable anti-EVS community nowadays that you can stick with to promote your books, especially when you are competent at your job like Brian is.
 
"Manga has appeal in the West without making Goku gay, and having a menstruating Black Piccolo screaming "They killin' us out here" constantly."
If you wanna fix the problem with comics, you gotta stop looking down your fucking nose at manga.
You say that CG made a mistake, but you won't point at it beyond "them edgybois". You're stuck thinking that this is just "Well if a BASED guy got in there--" No. Kids HATE comic books. HATE THEM. Anyone under 18 hasn't had a comic book in their hand that didn't BITCH at them about something they didn't know exists, let alone gave a shit about. It's not gonna turn around because "HEY KIDS! THE LEZBOS AND SOY BOYS ARE GONE!"
There is a little something that CGers are forgetting. We live in CURRENT YEAR! And no, I am not talking about that. I am talking about the fact that the SJW takeover of the industry has been going on for a decade. A 6/7/8 year old that read new western comics in that period is likely to have been turned off from western comics for good. An older person that had an interest in comics after watching MCU or any of the TV shows (animated or otherwise) also propably lost all interest. Western comics have been shit for far too long and if a bunch of Boomers want to make stuff for each other then more power to them. For those who actuall want to make money from a younger audience then make manga.

American comics can be fixed with: Black and White newsprint pages, and to the point storytelling. No more moral at the end, no more big long Bendis novels at the front. No more bold face political doctrines with their underwear on the outside.
Giving morals was not the problem. Giving morals only a small minority of loud extremists find palpable and calling anyone who did not agree a bigot was the problem.

I'm migrating the next arc of The Colossals to this model. Once this first arc is finished, I'm done with American style comics. It's poison to anyone under 30. Even then the Millennials grew up with the Asian Invasion of the early 2000s. So loyalty to comics for the 30-45 year olds is weak at best.
Even Gen-X grew up with anime to the extend they would not find it unappealing. They might be more into the older style of anime but they do not demonstrate the level of antipathy CGers have even at their worst.

A lot of Comicsgaters fall into this thinking you have. The snapshot you took of comics when you were last invested is the only vision of the market you have. Go walk around a Barns and Noble. Go to the local library and just ask "Hey excuse me, you work here right? I'm concerned with manga, do you see a lot of manga come and go from the library here?" Hell, go talk to your local comicbook shop owner about it. Even the old stuff doesn't sell very well with kids anymore. They recognize Western comics as BAD universally.
This is partly the fault of the MCU. It got people into comics during the worst period possible for quality while manga was at a peak. People were disappointed and word spread. The fact that the continuity is like the Walls of Troy did not help at all.

the fuck are you talking about? I've long said in this thread that most comics need better writing that too many of them are generic nonsense slop that nobody (including the writers) care about. but the fact of the matter is comics could be telling the best stories ever and they'd still be failing because the distribution method is basically designed to fail. they need to make them cheaper and get them into places people actually go instead of ever disappearing neet dungeons.
The industry is too set on its ways to do any meaningful change. When the Comics Code was no longer enforced, they should have gone back on the kiosks and the news stands while keeping the comicshops for the more hardcore crowd.

i get it, you're a weeb who think manga is the height of art. but this assertion that kids would/do hate comics while all of their favorite characters are comicbook characters is retarded.

i worked with tons of young guys (18-24) a few years ago, everyone of them was a fan of either marvel or DC comics and most had tons of them on external hard drives. They didn't just become fans of Comics over night either, they were reading them as teenagers. the idea that western comic as a genre needs to die because everyone "recognize Western comics as BAD universally" is just wrong.
That species of fan is disappearing. They became hooked before woke had been fully embraced. Guys like this are not impossible to find. Just rare and they get rarer by the second. You ran into a herd of unicorns.
 
That species of fan is disappearing. They became hooked before woke had been fully embraced. Guys like this are not impossible to find. Just rare and they get rarer by the second. You ran into a herd of unicorns.
maybe so, but it still shows me that if given good stories at an affordable price point there is an appeal to western comics still. they aren't doomed to be hated by anyone under 30 just by virtue of not being manga.
 
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the only really superior thing about manga story wise is manga is more willing to have a definite ending for their stories and characters. which is a plus in some cases, heaven knows it would've been better to end peter parkers story completely instead of making "one more day"

Can agree with having an ending. Is part of why I don't usually like end of the world type comics (outside of Walking Dead up to a point) because they just need to keep coming up with a bigger bad guy.



to be fair i think comics should steal manga's distribution and pricing model but you don't have to literally turn them into manga. western comics still have appeal without giving batman giant eyes and having him say "sugoi!" constantly.

the only really superior thing about manga story wise is manga is more willing to have a definite ending for their stories and characters. which is a plus in some cases, heaven knows it would've been better to end peter parkers story completely instead of making "one more day"

Distribution. Sure. But pricing model will be difficult unless you're a big company maybe. Part of why manga is the price it is (cheap) is because those companies treat it as a loss leader. They make their money on toys, licensing, etc.
 
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Part of why manga is the price it is (cheap) is because those companies treat it as a loss leader. They make their money on toys, licensing, etc.
That’s debatable. Print is generally lossy in the digital age, but it’s been profitable enough in Japan to run seinen and josei manga magazines for decades, even though the most those kinds of adult oriented comics can typically expect to license is a movie or a TV show. The point is keeping the overhead low and the circulation high. (A.K.A. what Wal-Mart and Amazon successfully do in retail.)

In America, comics took things in the opposite direction. It’s a problem. The audience is tiny, aging, and temperamental. How to spin that straw into gold is the million dollar question; it makes it easy to see why Marvel and DC’s parent companies liked the idea of promoting series that didn’t appeal to the traditional American comic book fan—the market had to grow. The problem was they had no intention of printing anything that had a universal appeal. Nobody they hired knew how.
 
Comics haven't been that for thirty-odd years at this point, you're refusing to acknowledge that the medium isn't in the same place it started and that being disposable mass-market stories for children doesn't work anymore. You're falling into the same trap as the rest of CG where you think that if the medium goes back to how it was before everything went to shit that it'll somehow rebound without accounting for the fact that the medium now has massive amounts of competition that it can't compete with; graphic novels and european comics often sport more unique artwork and sophisticated storytelling, manga blows it out the water on value for money, online streaming means that people have access to an endless catalogue of shows and movies they can watch whenever they want and video games can offer hundreds of hours of entertainment compared to the few minutes it takes to read a 24 page floppy. The medium has to move forward and carve a proper niche for itself because otherwise it is going to die
All the advantages comics used to have in the entertainment space were erased by the comics industry itself. Every problem with distribution, sales, pricing, etc were almost all the direct result of policies and practices implemented by publishers. What we see now is the direct result of own goals scored by the industry since at least the beginning of the 90s boom and possibly before. You'd need a time machine to "fix" American comics the way CG wants to.

my issue is that American superhero comics are absolutely inundated with sacred cows which prevent them from actually exploring the idea in an interesting way since doing anything other than the standard "world outside your window" will require you to violate at least one of them.
It's rather telling that most of the superhero stories that actually do accomplish something interesting are explicitly set outside of whatever passes for normal continuity or involve original characters presented as archetypes rather than the established trademarks. Remember that DC balked on letting Alan Moore use the Charlton characters for what became Watchmen because they got cold feet about letting Moore "ruin" the fourth-rate established characters they'd just bought from a dead publisher. Had they just let him run with it, there would have been no arguing about who owns what and we wouldn't have had to listen to Moore bitch about it for the last 40 years.

And while I agree with your sentiment in a general sense, I'm also finding it hard to figure what sacred cows remain from a storytelling standpoint. There are literally no stakes left. Nobody can die or retire (not even supporting cast). The concept of a legacy hero was one way around stale old characters, but even that has been fundamentally changed since they'll never retire the old versions. Instead of passing the torch, you get 5 different people calling themselves the Flash or Wolverine or Green Lantern and they all have their own series where nothing ever happens.

I guess that's the final sacred cow of American superhero comics: nothing can really happen to anyone in them.

the only really superior thing about manga story wise is manga is more willing to have a definite ending for their stories and characters. which is a plus in some cases, heaven knows it would've been better to end peter parkers story completely instead of making "one more day"
Manga are (most of the time) made by the same person or team for most or all of their runs. It's much easier to have a cohesive storyline with a beginning, middle, and end when it's the same people writing and drawing all of it. And they generally own their creations. They can stop when they don't think there's anything else to do with their concepts.

Peter Parker isn't going anywhere because he's a 60 year old corporate trademark. It doesn't matter that they've told every story worth telling about him (and many that weren't worth telling), his current daddy paid a tidy $4 billion for him and his friends and they're going to keep pumping out Peter Parker stories until well after we've all died.
 
maybe so, but it still shows me that if given good stories at an affordable price point there is an appeal to western comics still. they aren't doomed to be hated by anyone under 30 just by virtue of not being manga.
Hopefully there is enough of those to sustain the industry. I am not being sarcastic here. I mean it. CG did not happen because some boomers got up one day and decided to make comics. It happened because those who remembered comics from the time when they were good, found out that they are not good anymore. CG is a symptom.
 
What people tried to explain to Brian from the start was that
  • People on the farms have seen EVS do horrible shit time and time again.
  • No revelation will change the minds of his core audience (cult).
  • EVS will never be completely powerless until diabetes finally claims him or his audience.
  • There is zero overlap between EVS's audience and your own. No Trashcast viewer is waiting for the next Six-Gun Gorilla.
Oh, no doubt. That's why I'm not sweating the Flying Monkeys who are "boycotting" my book. NU CG were never my readers in the first place.
If anything I'm kind of surprised Brian was still on OK-ish terms with EVS in 2022. The only way to co-exist with EVS is to be a slimey, subservient pedophilic worm like B.A. Turner, author of Vigilantes' Creed (goodreads profile).
Fact of the matter is that I wrote him off after the sixth time he reneged on his promise to have me on to promote my book. (And like I said, for the TEN BILLIONTH time, Reethan don't owe me shit). But a well-meaning friend cajoled me into giving it a shot and I did, using the prospect of helping my fellow indie creators as a rationalization. Dumbfuckery on my part? No doubt! I never claimed to be the brightest bulb and I can be woefully naive.
On the bright side, there is definitely a more viable anti-EVS community nowadays that you can stick with to promote your books, especially when you are competent at your job like Brian is.
Like I said, I couldn't have picked a better time to be the object of @FROG's ire if I had planned it. I am going to defend myself and my fellow creators who have been dicked over by Reethan and #KINGCANCELPIGMALIN, but I'm not with the program of being an anti-CG crusader. Where's the fun in that?

At the risk of sounding sappy and ghey, I got into making comics out of love for the art form. If someone were tell me that my comics suck, I would take that heart, but luckily no one ever has (emphasis on the word LUCK). I think the reason readers connect with my books is because they are nothing if not sincere, and I can say the same for most of my friends in the space. We're not making pitches for Netflix shows, we're making the kind of comics WE would love to read and we view our backers as the people who literally help us make our dreams come true and treat them accordingly with love and appreciation.

We came into the CG sphere because the mainstream a.) didn't want us, b.) stopped caring about comics, and c.) got polluted by ideologues, blacklists, whisper networks, censorship and all manner of dirty dealing. Now CG has ALL of those things; has, really, for years now.

I've been lucky. I've made about $50K total on IGG alone. This year I have two, maybe three books coming out, including a 150 page graphic novel that will be sold in brick and mortar book stores (!?). People are actually paying me to write and edit comics for them. WTF!? I have a massive case of Imposter's Syndrome as a result, but I think having some of that is actually healthy.

CG is the thing that I and my friends and collaborators in the scene will remember as the thing that brought us together so we could do awesome things together. But now it is something to be left in the past. Time to move onward and upward, and not by being "anti-CG", but by being obnoxiously, Tony Robbins-style positive and MAKING GREAT COMICS that people actually want to read.

All I ever wanted to do was comics. Now I'm making comics and couldn't be more grateful.
 
Fact of the matter is that I wrote him off after the sixth time he reneged on his promise to have me on to promote my book. (And like I said, for the TEN BILLIONTH time, Reethan don't owe me shit).
It still isn't clear to me why you're a secret guy. Did you ever explain what it was you're afraid will happen?
 
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Not powerleveling is important. Sharing some info that still keeps you one in thousands is fine but actual identification is bad.
Sure. It just seemed like he was more afraid that anything he says bad about Ethan or CG will make it back to him rather than being afraid of the people here and I wonder why. But yeah,. that's fair.
 
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