US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[RamblingBackwash]

It just hit me that if he's 20 this year, he's been hearing "Donald Trump is Hitler" since he was at a minimum, twelve years old, and has two allegedly jewish parents.

I hold the media culpable more than anybody other than the shooter himself, having had this realization.

I am way behind on this thread. My teenage child told me earlier he doesn't understand why someone would do this. I used these same words to explain to him how it happened. The shooter was literally brainwashed into thinking Trump was the next Hitler and decided he would be the hero who took out Hitler.

A bit of a related tangent this is why when my children were younger I almost never mentioned politics, and when they were old enough to ask questions about politics or it got brought up in a school assignment I always tried to explain things while being fair to all angles. Maybe I didn't always succeed but I at least tried and hopefully that has rubbed off on them to look at politics and the like with a more detached view point.

 

[UncleAdolf]

boomers are too lazy to do mass shooting shit, closest one I could think of was Steven paddock

COMPED

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

As to the shot...

(I am not an expert, I'm mediocre at best with an M16A1 and iron sights (Usually Sharpshooter, which means I suck) and OK with a .30-.30 with iron sights, I wasn't really a scope guyu)

It's 150m.

That's basic bitch right there. I can hit that.





Now, we'll go with it was a 5.56mm. The idea of a .22LR is stupid, and everyone seems to be locked in on that, but let's just go with 5.56mm.



As you can see there's a slight rise with a 5.56mm. They teach you to compensate for it, but if you aren't aware of it, well, you can miss because the bullet rose. Not by much, but just enough.






As we can see, it's not exactly difficult shot. You have Trump in profile, meaning you don't have to worry about him moving left to right, and people giving speeches don't move back and forth very much.

Also in the background are flags. Now, they teach you (at least, they did) in Basic Training to use the flag to estimate wind speed. Basically angle divided by 4 to get wind speed, plus the flag shows direction.



This is the area that the rally took place.

Let's look at his direction:



As you can see, the arc of the roof gives him time and concealment to bring out the weapon.

(At that time, you have rally goers alerting law enforcement, who are ignoring it)

As you can see, it's more or less shielded.

Now, he has climbed up on the roof, crawled across the rooftop, got in the prone unsupported position. His heart's hammering, adrenaline has peaked, his hands are shaking.



So, he's 150m out. Crosswind from right to left at 5-15 mph gusts. Target in profile. Body shot is easy. Even if he has a vest, the sides are the best spots to hit due to less protection, and prior to this, Trump was known for NOT wearing a vest. (That changed VERY recently)

Here's where a lot of people who haven't done more than plink at a range nice and calm miss it. (For transparency, yes, I've mashed trigger in high stress)

There's two things: Oversqueeze and anticipating the recoil.

With oversqueeze you pull up slightly and to the right or left. Not much, but enough to miss.

With anticipating the recoil, you pull it tight and jerk slightly. Up and to the left. DI's correct this all the time.

(I thought I had the video of the gunman shooting, scraped off of Twitter, but it seems to be missing)



Now, there are people overanalyzing that belief that right after the ear, Trump took a body shot from the way he curls over his left side.



Now, remember, everything was in chaos and you couldn't depend on the news, you had to hit the Farms or Twitter.



But, it's easy to see how he missed, even if he was shooting center mass.

Firing at the range, zeroing your weapon, calibrating your scope and setting your iron sights, are ENTIRELY different that prone, in the sun, knowing you have a limited window to make your shot, with a weapon you are passingly acquainted with at best while knowing your going to get domed in seconds.

Why all this sperg?

I don't know. I mean, I'm not a sniper, I'm not a gun bunny, I'm not a pro. I just hunted and went to the range a lot and banged shot when it counted.

But, last bit...

It was at this moment a young man knew that his family's enemies would go to any length to destroy his family.

 

[Tacgnol]

I have a slightly different perspective. I think this Tard was a CIA asset and they fucked up his assassination, like they did with Castro.

I think the CIA isn’t confident they can fortify the upcoming election so they want to take Trump out.

I don't think the CIA would cultivate Rocky Dennis as an asset.

ATF? Sure.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

https://x.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1812509098207801446

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/IJ8LB

 

[popsoda]

I don't like Trump, but all these people bemoaning that the shooter missed is making me feel sick.
Not to mention the people celebrating a trump supporter dying in the shooting.

I hope, if there's such a thing as hell, you meet the shooter there.

 

[Rotollo 2]

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SUSHI FROM THE HOTEL
man that shit was so fucking crazy

 

[Glowie]

Or the time they planned to gas a speaking event with LSD so that he'd slur his words and look like an idiot

Medical alcohol mixed with drinks.

 

[Strix454]

The simple explanation they are moving toward is that there was no bullet. That when Trump ducked down, he "bladed" his ear pro-wrestling style to make it look like he was grazed. His close friend Vince McMahon himself taught him how to do it. The videos of the event are all of course AI Russian bot manipulated.

 

[Can of Bread]

Let's look at the facts. Already being ahead in the polls and being content with Biden's collapsing popularity, let's see the pros and cons of staging the assassination attempt:

Pros:
- You take a really cool photo

Cons:
-Could potentially get your head blasted open in front of a live crowd of thousands and many more watching at home
-Killing an innocent supporter of yours and injuring others
-Mentally scarring the live crowd because they were just in an active shooting
-Your ear now has a bullet hole
-You can't actually make the speech that you wanted to

I think it checks out.

It technically lionizes his support base, and arguably drags people who are actually on the fence back into his camp, setting him up as the "wounded hero" archetype I see people posting about around social media. This essentially would solidify his victory. But doing it in July is retarded. You'd do this in September or October because people have short attention spans.
The main rub of this conspiracy theory (which you mention) is that there was a high chance of fucking up and getting your brains splattered over the audience, and, if this was a fake, it WAS a fuck up and he just by luck managed to not get himself brained.

As someone who loves conspiracy theories, this one just makes no sense. My conspiracy theory mindset is that they really want Biden out because it'd be nigh impossible to do the election fraud required to get him over the line, but if they replace him that person will have the same issues due to entering so late. So they decided to take out Trump, and then were either going to take out Biden to essentially reset the election, or pick someone from the Republicans who was either so unlikeable they'd lose by default even against Kamala / Newsom / Big Mike (or at least someone who would follow orders if they won).

This conspiracy theory has problems too, as resetting the election through assassinations, or taking out Trump at all, would potentially cause a major violent uprising. However, it's obvious that the current political establishment believes it's own narrative about Trump, and is extremely desperate to keep him from winning but sees very few routes to victory. I could also see them being okay with a right-wing uprising, because if they kick it back down they would have a casus belli to oppress anyone with right-wing opinions with extreme force openly. There's also the fact the ones in charge of the government are only slightly less irrational and impulsive as your average power-tripping Reddit mod.

The main thing you can count on is you'll never fully know who or what caused this because no one is trustworthy, but Trump doing a false flag is the least likely of the general possibilities.

 

[Ghost of Biden]

I dont blame you, for some reason the American policy the last years since Trumps first term has been bad for the average american

It upticked in the 3rd year before they released COVID and sabotaged his recovery.

 

[ChefKiss]

The RetardEra thread is pretty good: https://www.resetera.com/threads/do...ation-attempt-story-developing.926754/page-52

Remember when they were posting Tucker Carlson's home address and encouraging each other to firebomb his house and saying it was fine if his wife and kids died because they were already evil for being around him. Good times, strange how the glowies never look into that site despite it having so many convicted felons on it

 

[innocent jogger]

Not sure if the zoomer being interviewed could have been more vague. lol

 

[Sekirodiealot]

There’s a lot of deflection and lack of accountability on the side that really want you to think that Trump should die because of “mean words“, and not the fact that the media was the true enemy of the people that witnessed a near death experience through the form of an assassination attempt.

No amount of rationalization or “Imagine if _______”scenarios will change these people’s minds.

Perfect timing, because someone just said that

 

[SmoothBore]

>Angry quiet-kid white loner incel
>bullied frequently in school
>had few friends
>registered republican who voted in the '22 midterms
>comes from a gun-owning republican family
>had an obsession with guns, guntubers and wore hunting gear
>in an open-carry state so no one questioned why he was carrying AR-15 equipment in public
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>Had the exact mass shooter phenotype
If you randomly generated this shithead's face and told me to name which exact shooter he was, I wouldn't be able to tell you if he was the Buffalo shooter, Uvalde shooter or Dylan Roof.

There's a bit of irony in how Trump, in that very moment he was being fired at, felt the same fear that kids and random civilians across the nation have felt when the few security checks remaining failed and allowed mentally ill weirdos like this to proliferate and gain access to weapons. Except he isn't being told to get over it and move on, he has the entire private sector + every red state sanctify him as Jesus Christ 2.0.

"Christ/Shinzo Abe saved Donald Trump!!" By redirecting that bullet into an innocent family man's chest? I don't think so.

Interesting times.

Nobody's telling him to get over it because he clearly already did from the pictures and videos we've seen. Maybe you don't remember.

But you know what probably really helped him to get over it?

The other guy, you know, the sniper. With the gun. Shot the assassin and ended the threat right there.

I noticed that all you gun control types just can't seem to remember that so I'm happy I could help.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

It was at this moment a young man knew that his family's enemies would go to any length to destroy his family.

Sometimes I wonder what Octavian thought when he received news that they murdered Caesar in the Roman Senate building.

 

[LurkTrawl]

I have a slightly different perspective. I think this Tard was a CIA asset and they fucked up his assassination, like they did with Castro.

Main reason I don't think it was a glowie is the attempted headshot. Glowies would've known to coach him to aim for center mass imo. I understand and think it's valid to suspect that though.

A bit of a related tangent this is why when my children were younger I almost never mentioned politics, and when they were old enough to ask questions about politics or it got brought up in a school assignment I always tried to explain things while being fair to all angles. Maybe I didn't always succeed but I at least tried and hopefully that has rubbed off on them to look at politics and the like with a more detached view point.

You sound like you're doing a great job. And since it's the farms I feel almost legally obligated to clarify that I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[Schmeated Ted]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/07/donald-trump-democracy-dictator/679006/?gift=HQmp_BZdNOaSzplGoPQT3w3NvV_Tfg09-15e55nUI34&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social

Didn’t take em long to switch to blame Trump mode, thought they might wait at least a full day?

 

[TexOffender]

https://archive.is/D1J6m

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

It was at this moment a young man knew that his family's enemies would go to any length to destroy his family.

I feel bad for Barron. He was born into one of the single most stressful lives possible. He had people publicly wishing death upon him before he even hit puberty.