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I still don’t get what The Acolyte is trying to say is bad about the Jedi. I haven’t watched the series but from what I can tell it’s that they tried to take the cult’s children away.

If the show was trying to say that the Jedi assumed the cult wasn’t Dark Side aligned, they should have made it clear that the cult interpreted the Force in a different manner than the Jedi viewed it. Have the Sith dismiss any notions that the Thread was a Dark Side interpretation of the Force. There were other Force religions in Disney canon and EU. Show that the Jedi, in their zealous pursuit of ending the Sith, viewed any interpretation of the Force other than their own as a vector for the resurgence of the Sith.

Did Headland think that the audience was to ignore the negative connotations associated with terms like witches and cult?
 
Did Headland think that the audience was to ignore the negative connotations associated with terms like witches and cult?
A lot of feminist don't even have a negative connotation with the term witch, usually because they perceive many people who were historically accused of witchcraft as simply women trying to fight the patriarchy. Whether this is accurate or not is not for me to say I'm not a historian. I'm sure many of the writers view the Jedi as a cult as well, or all religions as a cult so they don't mind that either, and I feel they're are not completely wrong in that sense. The Jedi did managed to build a massive empire though, so they are probably doing something right.

You are correct in the fact that they completely dropped the ball on making the cult not seem awful and based on the dark side. The idea of overbearing Jedi forcing all force users to submit to them is an interesting concept, as many have said. A lot of people don't like cops and oppression so it could work, but the witches were absolutely acting evil, so who really cares about them?

Galaxy cops that you knew were on the planet for weeks finally found you and broke in? Well obviously that makes me a bit peeved, and rightly so. I know! Lets immediately mind rape the youngest one! That's a proper response I think!

Daughter doesn't want to continue your witchy ways and wants to get away? I know! Lets force her sister on her, and tell her to use her anger on her! I wonder what other force sensitive groups tell people to use your anger?

There's a FUCKING FIRE burning the entire mine down? Don't worry about it, we got to start fights the Jedi first, the fire will be fine, probably.

Let's mind control one of the Jedi's and have him attack his friends! Oh shit, we're dead now.

The set up to what terrible thing the Jedi did was so dramatic in the previous six episodes, and then it just falls completely flat. The Jedi, granted, were not being perfect, but they still were probably being better and more justified than the coven. They had to straight up make one of the Jedi seem like an actual pedophile, and you STILL kind of feel like the Jedi weren't really in the wrong.
 
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I still don’t get what The Acolyte is trying to say is bad about the Jedi. I haven’t watched the series but from what I can tell it’s that they tried to take the cult’s children away.
You and me both. From my understanding, the Jedi are portrayed as overbearing psychos for doing their job as space cops and stopping a Force Cult that was creating artificial super soldiers.
Show that the Jedi, in their zealous pursuit of ending the Sith, viewed any interpretation of the Force other than their own as a vector for the resurgence of the Sith
Nothing against you, but this desire to portray Jedi as bad for trying to stop the Sith has always rubbed me wrong. If there's anything I've learned from The Old Republic era, the Sith aren't just evil, they are destructive. Everytime a Jedi starts calling himself Darth or a new Sith Empire shows up, there's an apocalyptic war with trillions of casualties.

Trying to stop those people from coming into existence is morally right.
 
But yeah, she's got no chemistry with Smilo Ren. Which is another thing it fails at; it's bad adult fanfiction too.
For a show made by a lesbian there's a lot of young, shirtless men standing around for no good reason.
You and me both. From my understanding, the Jedi are portrayed as overbearing psychos for doing their job as space cops and stopping a Force Cult that was creating artificial super soldiers.
When bad writers try to make something morally grey they often end up making it morally checkerboard.
 
Nothing against you, but this desire to portray Jedi as bad for trying to stop the Sith has always rubbed me wrong. If there's anything I've learned from The Old Republic era, the Sith aren't just evil, they are destructive. Everytime a Jedi starts calling himself Darth or a new Sith Empire shows up, there's an apocalyptic war with trillions of casualties.
I would say you could play it for dramatic irony: the Jedi jump at every shadow, stamping out every deviation which could result in the return of a major Dark-Side Cult, little do they know that the Sith have already infiltrated the very government they swore to protect.
 
listen, my biggest problem with the show, from what I saw of it wasn't even really all the faggy dyke shit. it was lore breaking shit. and sure of course it isn't legends so it wouldn't be my star wars, but like they couldn't help themselves but totally fuck with the prequels. which yeah the prequels contradicted the OT but at least it was George who created it, and did them all who did it. I might not agree with a lot of stuff, but if anyone can take a shit on something, it's the person who created it.

the force conception & chosen one-y stuff, should not have been there. that shit is flat out enough to ruin it for me. but it goes beyond that. I watched the fight scenes from the last episode earlier, and that girl bleeds her lightsaber in the end and kills Sol. okay, that entirely doesn't work in the context of the movies. Anakin would have been red blade swangin' by the time he was killing those kids or the trade federation dudes, or if not then, during the Obi-Wan fight.

frankly when the show was initially announced I thought it might be the first D-Wars show I could end up liking (Andor notwithstanding). because it was set 100 years before TPM, not OT or right after, and about a Sith Acolyte, black female or not, I thought huh, cool finally something different. I knew it would be stupid and have current year faggotry but I thought at least it's in it's own bubble, so if it sucks, it won't totally ruin everything. I was wrong. and really there is one simple reason. and it's the same reason that if flipped, it could have been cool. THE INCLUSION OF THE JEDI. In TPM we are told explicitly the Sith have been gone 1000 years and it has been nothing but relative peace in the galaxy, the Jedi have just been sitting on their asses, doing occasional peacekeeping, dealing with threats that aren't too extreme. I assume in there maybe there's been some evil force users but nothing crazy, dickhead dark jedis perhaps, but no red blade swinging ultra powerful motherfuckers. this show makes the jedi all liars at worst, retards that could not possibly have stuck around 1000 years at best.

anyone ever read that '99/2000 Darth Maul comic? the show should have been like that. sith apprentice hunting down people secretly.

the show should have been this if we kept some of what we got:
we have a sith apprentice who answers to a master. he's smart and powerful, but not as much as he thinks he is. think if anakin hadn't lost at mustafar what vader could have been. he begins training an acolyte. he either thinks his master doesn't know what he's doing or it's a legends maul/ventress situation where the master is fine with it because they aren't going to be a true sith just lied to and used. the first few episodes should have been him imparting on her stealth, suppressing herself in the force to avoid detection by the jedi and how the rule of two exists as part of a 1000 year long plan that will lead to the revenge of the sith on the jedi, and if they are discovered the last 900 years will crumble. but sends her on assassinations, burglary missions, etc.

then he tells her, listen bitch you have one final mission. then your training will be complete and you will be my sith apprentice. there's a coven of dark side dykes who practice force alchemy and sorcery that I require all the knowledge of for the continued work of the sith. you were born one of them (some childhood incident is how he ended up with her i don't care what it is but she knows and he's convinced she's loyal to him or totally buck broken or whatever) return to them as the prodigal daughter and learn their secrets, keep in touch with me and when the time comes we will slaughter them and keep the knowledge for only the sith. she goes, is accepted wholeheartedly by most, distrusted by a small subsect, becomes torn between her allegiances of the sith, and the family she was supposed to have. maybe even give her the twin (just sisters not whatever the fuck I read was going on in the last episode). maybe it's also she really believes in whatever these bitches are doing with the force (not creating life, something else).

her master realises, OH FUCK! she might reveal our existence! that's a 1,000 YEARS DOWN THE FUCKING SHITTER! MASTER IS GONNA KILL ME AND ALSO I MIGHT HAVE JUST DOOMED THE REVENGE OF THE SITH! and then we head into our final act, whatever that may be. keep the sith in the shadows. if any Jedi are involved it should only have been in the beginning to show her mastery of stealth and suppression slipping by them undetected in some way, because THEY CAN'T KNOW ANY OF THIS HAPPENED OR IS GOING ON FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS CANONICALLY!
 
Nothing against you, but this desire to portray Jedi as bad for trying to stop the Sith has always rubbed me wrong. If there's anything I've learned from The Old Republic era, the Sith aren't just evil, they are destructive. Everytime a Jedi starts calling himself Darth or a new Sith Empire shows up, there's an apocalyptic war with trillions of casualties.
I think that the Jedi can be portrayed as misguided. Their response to users of the Dark Side has almost always been to exile or destroy them. The 12 Dark Jedi exiles, The Revanchists, Anakin, A’Sharad, and others were pushed away and left to brood in their darkness. Sometimes you can only respond with destruction. There is no redemption for Sidious, the man was just evil. Yet Anakin was redeemed.

The Jedi are noble and good, but they can be blinded by the Light. When they cut themselves off from the rest of the galaxy, they fall victim to thinking that they can only be detached from the galaxy. The Force flows through every being and if they Jedi are one with the Force, they must be one with the galaxy.
 
The Jedi are dumb, but I think understandably so. You grab a bunch of people as children, grow them up in a monastery and feed them lines about repressing all their shit, no surprise they're completely unprepared to deal with the complexity of the real world. That also makes it entirely understandable that when one of them goes off the rails, they go hard; nobody furnished them with normal people coping mechanisms.
 
I just think its your mind on SJW logic.

The Jedi attacked the stunning and brave lesbian when she turned into black mist, misunderstanding that she just had trouble breefing and taking it as an attack. It is a giant nigger moment.

From what I gathered from reviewers, it was supposed to be witch teleportation, but the Jedi had no way of knowing that. Jedi are bad because they are cops, and like cops they can't mindread how wholesome chungus Floyderino is hollering and waving his arm, but he is in fact not attacking! Jumping up and down is his way of talking!
 
As for nothing at all being explained in the show. Such as what the witches were. I assume this is down to the writer not caring about details like that.
You can see this in the interviews where the Showrunner's answers to any questions about the plot are all non-committal, vague answers framed by 'I feel', 'I think', 'I believe' statements. You're the Showrunner, you should know all the why's and how's of your story.

I still don’t get what The Acolyte is trying to say is bad about the Jedi. I haven’t watched the series but from what I can tell it’s that they tried to take the cult’s children away.
From what I gather, it's just more 'The Sith are just another religion, why can't you let them practise the dark side in peace?' bullshit where they treat using the literal manifestation of corruption as just a matter of perspective because they want to use the cool evil powers and aesthetic without having to be evil think that's nuanced.
There is no redemption for Sidious, the man was just evil.
I'm reminded of the dumbass council member in the Old Republic whose big brained idea was to attack the Sith Emperor's space station, confront the Emperor, the man who was so evil he enslaved and then sacrificed his entire planet, and... Redeem him. Even when his padawan is telling him "The force is literally giving me visions about how this all goes wrong and the Emperor beats your ass so bad you turn to the dark side."
 
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What would have made for a better reveal

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Lesbian Headlamp really made Darth Plagueis wish.com Ezra Miller's master. lol, lmao even.
EU Plagueis: Successful businessman living double life as a Sith Lord.
Disney Plagueis: Creep sitting in his gooncave and watching his apprentice swimming naked and seducing a girl.

And, of course, there are tons of OT-based video games. Nobody cares about Rey, or Poe, or Finn, or Spoon-Faced Asian. There's zero demand for ST games and media. Even the soy people can't fake caring.
OT had Super Star Wars trilogy that adapted the movies and multiple games (X-Wing, Tie Fighter, Rebellion \ Supremacy, Dark Forces, Shadows of the Empire, Rebel Assault 1 and 2, Force Commander) happening between the movies or simultaneously with them.
Phantom Menace is an absolute record holder because there are three adaptations (The Phantom Menace, Jedi Power Battles and Obi-Wan) and countless games happening simultaneously with the movie (from edutainment through ecosystem simulator to a racing game).
Attack of the Clones pales in comparison - it only got an adaptation for GBA, a spin-off on GBA and a campaign for Galactic Battlegrounds.
Revenge of the Sith had a nice arcade adaptation on PS2.

Sequel Trilogy is now 9 years old. It has a Lego adaptation and a short campaign in Battlefront 2 that serves as a prequel to sequels and only a single ST character makes a cameo.
It's quite pathetic.
 
Did Headland think that the audience was to ignore the negative connotations associated with terms like witches and cult?
Feminists have brought back witchcraft as some sort of new age thing. It's everywhere these days and never painted in a negative way. Even Furfagloni's wife is a self-described witch.

For a show made by a lesbian there's a lot of young, shirtless men standing around for no good reason
I bet what was part of the reshoots, to appeal to the toxic Reylo crowd, aka the only audience that Disney Wars has now.
I believe Lego Headland said that Smilo Ren didn't have a big screentime until they started shooting.
 
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I still don’t get what The Acolyte is trying to say is bad about the Jedi. I haven’t watched the series but from what I can tell it’s that they tried to take the cult’s children away.
Their goal was to make them look inflexible, presumptive, and impulsive. They also were trying to make them look like they steal and convert children and indoctrinate them with garbage. However the problem was on every level they fucked up, since they made the witches look like the bad guys each and every time.

The witches believe the force is a thread that binds everyone into one big glorious tapestry, or like a web? Sure fine. Them being a women only order? Sure, go ahead. But they clearly crave power, they indulge in unrestrained emotions, and they have one of their LEADERS tell a child to use their rage on their sister, which makes them look fucking horrible. This is after they mind rape a young man casually, which apparently damaged him badly enough he withdrew from life before ending it. That's fucking evil.

It also helps that they don't understand that you can heckle cops and get clapped by your peers IRL. If you do this crap to peaceful space monks it makes you look like an asshole. Oh, and then you have them draw bowstrings, which means intent to kill, since hollyweird doesn't understand how hard it is to nock and hold like that. Oh and threaten to attack them too. Oh and even when the one witch mother said she would've given Osha? She insulted and harrassed the Jedi, which tells you the viewer she was doing some DARVO bullshit with her death to spite them.

And then they did the "Dissolve into an evil smoke monster". I don't give a shit if you're trying to subvert the expectations, you see that and a child looking scared and dissolving apart you start stabbin.
If the show was trying to say that the Jedi assumed the cult wasn’t Dark Side aligned, they should have made it clear that the cult interpreted the Force in a different manner than the Jedi viewed it. Have the Sith dismiss any notions that the Thread was a Dark Side interpretation of the Force. There were other Force religions in Disney canon and EU. Show that the Jedi, in their zealous pursuit of ending the Sith, viewed any interpretation of the Force other than their own as a vector for the resurgence of the Sith.

Did Headland think that the audience was to ignore the negative connotations associated with terms like witches and cult?
If they wanted to really do this right, have the mental connection thing be how the cult likes to commune among the "weave" and intermingle, rather than calling it the many. They do it on Torben, and he snaps since he never experienced something like that before, and since they do dabble in the dark side due to allowing emotions to flow, he goes nutty for a while. He then goes out and attacks them for being mind raping child sacrificers, since Soul mentioned the deep hole they venerate and a ritual they were gonna do.

Torben's actions lead to death since he stabs the witch mother, hence why he wants to kill himself. Soul's secret is he knew this was a shameful attack since he tried all he could to stop his friend's apprentice, hence his guilt and desire to hide with it. And then you have Kelnacca and Venestra literally not know what happened. Have them actually be blameless, whose only crime is defending two friends they DID NOT KNOW START THIS.

I literally spent five minutes whipping this up. That's how trivial it was to make the shit make sense.
 
<be a witch in starwars
<not even the kind people actually cared about lmao.
<jedi show up on planet
<we be yoozin tha thread n shiiiii
<turn into smoke monster like a fucking retard for no reason
<get stabbed and die with all my carpet munching friends

After watching this shitshow from the sidelines im convinced starwars fans are the lowest form of life on the planet.
 
Man it is a really good thing the Disney+ algorithm is able to detect hatewatches ,otherwise a bunch of consoomer faggots in this very thread would be boosting Acolyte's numbers. I'm consuming and interacting with the media but out of spite. That'll learn them.

Okay, on one hand I get the point about the whole lore and easter eggs thing. It's one of my biggest issues with modern Star Wars. Back in the EU sure it did similar things sometimes but usually whenever major characters would appear in stories not concerning them directly they were usually just cameos more or less.
There is a difference between a cameo, an easter egg, and a memberberry.

A Cameo is when a a character appears and it makes sense. An easter egg is a hidden reference to something that is tossed out and never followed up on- its the inverse throw-away line. A memberberry is a straight naked soulless appeal to nostalgia.

The great thing about OT is that there were so many characters you could work in a Cameo for anything. Political maneuvering? Leia. Underworld Scum? Han. Force adventuring & hot snubfighter action? Luke. And that's not going into the various generals and pilots you could use. So while the EU did have the "small population issue" a bit, because it was 300+-page books you could give 5-10 pages to hanging out with Luke and it still being just a small part of the story, vs. TV where even a 5-minute walk-on is still getting itself a sliver on the pie chart.

This is a good point...Luke, Han, and Leia showed up all the time. I remember at least one of the few books I read in high featured Luke. And, of course, there are tons of OT-based video games. Nobody cares about Rey, or Poe, or Finn, or Spoon-Faced Asian. There's zero demand for ST games and media. Even the soy people can't fake caring.
The issue with the ST is not just that no one gives a fuck about the leads, but the only lead who got any significant narrative investment was Kathleen's self-insert MaRey Sue. Poe is a pilot, but has zero fucking character. That's it, he flies an X-wing and doesn't care how Palpatine managed to come back from the dead. Frumpy Asian Simpbait has even less going for her. Finn sort of had some development potential but that was wasted to make him a funny space janitor who has no issue killing people going through the same shit.
So the most quote-unquote developed character is MaRey, who's only character traits are "better than everyone at everything" and a thirst for badboys.
They are all garbage, there is no way to really give anyone except Poe a cameo and he's so generic and forgettable there's no way to make him recognizable.
 
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