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[Lidl Drip]

For one you're wrong. These are the links on her about page
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There isn't even a patreon. You can't even throw money at her. Youtube is her main platform. If I can't get to her patron from here she doesn't have one. Provide a source. And as for why i give "leeway"? I don't try making it a habit of calling people pedophiles unless they are. Prove it or shut it.

And just to show i did my due dilligence, here is her Carrd site

https://kirsche-verstahl.carrd.co/

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What's this? No Patreon or Onlyfans? But she does have a shop. Lets scoot on over i guess in this ridiculous endeavor

https://uwumarket.us/collections/kirsche

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This is the entire shop. None of this is porn. You are demented if you claim that. Unless you can prove otherwise, you are a liar. Take your gender wars elsewhere.

Spoiler: Pornographic content

She didn't even put an adult content warning on this on her Twitter.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Spoiler: Pornographic content

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She didn't even put an adult content warning on this on her Twitter.

That is not what you said. You said this was EXCLUSIVE to her followers. No. This is a link to a commisioned doujin because she got a fuck ton of donos on a stream. Anyone can click on it.

Second, how does that make her a pedophile? Degenerate yes. No disagreement. Based on the cover alone which is what i have been provided, there is no illegal material here. And you did say this

I just find it funny that any other titty streamer (Amouranth, Alinity, Pokimane, etc) garner so much more hate from men and they aren't even excusing pedophilia or directly catering to pedophiles.

Where is the lolicon? Where is the pedophilia? Yes she is a degenerate. But pedophile? I don't see it.

As for the Adult content warning:

She has clearly marked her Twitter for adults. And the cover you presented has the R18 label and is CENSORED. There has been a fair amount of due dillegence.

But this brings us back yet again. Where is the pedophilia? Show me the bloody knife, the smoking gun.

 

[Green Kitbash]

I just find it funny that any other titty streamer (Amouranth, Alinity, Pokimane, etc) garner so much more hate from men and they aren't even excusing pedophilia or directly catering to pedophiles. As soon as the e-prostitute puts on an anime picture suddenly we need to "investigate these claims" and "not speculate" about them unless we actually have video evidence of them molesting a child (even then people would claim it's out of context).

Why are they given so much leeway just because they hide behind an avatar? There is zero difference between Kirsche and Amouranth. Both sell sexual content to simps (Kirsche releases pornographic doujins of her character exclusive to her followers for example) and have bouncing titties in frame and do endless fanservice while they blabber uninteresting commentary. Both just get views because of desperate lonely men wanting a girlfriend experience. What makes men treat vtubers with so much more leniency?

See I agree with your point but at the same time its framed in bad faith because as we have seen there are TONS of people who would back Amouranth, Alinity, Pokimane ETC as you put it and their support mainly comes from men.

Now is Kirsche theoritcally on the same level as Amouranth as an E-whore. Yes? But you are literally making up a scenario with your first paragraph

 

[Lidl Drip]

That is not what you said. You said this was EXCLUSIVE to her followers. No. This is a link to a commisioned doujin because she got a fuck ton of donos on a stream. Anyone can click on it.

Second, how does that make her a pedophile? Degenerate yes. No disagreement. Based on the cover alone which is what i have been provided, there is no illegal material here. And you did say this

Where is the lolicon? Where is the pedophilia? Yes she is a degenerate. But pedophile? I don't see it.

As for the Adult content warning:
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She has clearly marked her Twitter for adults. And the cover you presented has the R18 label and is CENSORED. There has been a fair amount of due dillegence.

But this brings us back yet again. Where is the pedophilia? Show me the bloody knife, the smoking gun.

That porn was made for her followers because they gave her money. I don't see how locking it behind a patreon makes it more morally righteous but whatever. She's an anime prostitute.



Lolicons are pedophiles and she's done several streams (archived in this thread) where she defends lolicons, a nice summary of one video with many arguments can be found here.





It's not my fault you didn't even read this thread.

 

[WelperHelper99]

That porn was made for her followers because they gave her money. I don't see how locking it behind a patreon makes it more morally righteous but whatever. She's an anime prostitute.

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Still not a pedophile but whatever.

Lolicons are pedophiles and she's done several streams (archived in this thread) where she defends lolicons, a nice summary of one video with many arguments can be found here.

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It's not my fault you didn't even read this thread.

I WAS there and glad you brought it up.

I'm just going to respond to the whole thing, and because I know you well enough from dealing with Chase. You may be completely right. That vice article was awful in how they handled it. It gains them no friends on here.

Now do I know why they did it? Yeah it was Vice and they wanted to bully the fuck out of them. In any other circumstance, yeah ok. Going full steelman argument on the lolicon issue is not the way to do it. If anything it proves Vice's point.

What do I actually think is happening with Pippa... she is a NEET that got famous. Chance of hurting someone is practically zero, she'd have to leave the house. But the mind rot is real. She seems very stuck in the NEET mindset and has no filter. That is a dangerous combination for a public figure.

Now this was in response to Pippa. My argument that they were steelmanning the lolicon issue still stands. And i'll tell you why. I watched that, and I watched Rev's take. Rev actually believed what he was saying. They did not. And I will let this thread decide the difference.

My take still stands. Pippa and Kirsche had zero passion in the defense of the vice video compared to Rev, but especially Kirsche. It was a bad video yes. But at the time it was being passed around the community, and it was a easy way to bully Vice. I know nuanced motives are hard to understand, but bear with me.

 

[Lidl Drip]

Holy fucking cope, lmao. "Yes they defend pedophilia but they don't actually believe it". Ok then why do they do it? Perhaps because they are e-prostitutes grifting pedophiles? Because they CATER to pedophiles?!



Retard.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Holy fucking cope, lmao. "Yes they defend pedophilia but they don't actually believe it". Ok then why do they do it? Perhaps because they are e-prostitutes grifting pedophiles? Because they CATER to pedophiles?!



Retard.

I am saying they were grifting like literally EVERYONE else was off bullying a failed media empire. It's easy to make fun of vice. Spinning that video as a attack on Japan is easy money for their audience. That's why i said LISTEN to the video. Like I did. Because I actually put in some fucking effort unlike you. They are clearly not into it and just playing the bit. it's called acting.

Is it scummy. Yeah. Better than actually believing in it.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

I just find it funny that any other titty streamer (Amouranth, Alinity, Pokimane, etc) garner so much more hate from men and they aren't even excusing pedophilia or directly catering to pedophiles. As soon as the e-prostitute puts on an anime picture suddenly we need to "investigate these claims" and "not speculate" about them unless we actually have video evidence of them molesting a child (even then people would claim it's out of context).

Why are they given so much leeway just because they hide behind an avatar? There is zero difference between Kirsche and Amouranth. Both sell sexual content to simps (Kirsche releases pornographic doujins of her character exclusive to her followers for example) and have bouncing titties in frame and do endless fanservice while they blabber uninteresting commentary. Both just get views because of desperate lonely men wanting a girlfriend experience. What makes men treat vtubers with so much more leniency?

Lidl please, stop shitting up the thread. You are the only person who can make weeb coomers look less autistic than they are, if only by comparision

 

[Lidl Drip]

Like I said, we could have a video of vtubers molesting an actual child and vtoober stans would say "uhmm akshually that's a joke and part of a bit they were doing! It's called ACTING! Look it up!"

Its just proving my point that they are giving an unreal amount of leniency compared to any other Internet prostitute.

 

[Green Kitbash]

Like I said, we could have a video of vtubers molesting an actual child and vtoober stans would say "uhmm akshually that's a joke and part of a bit they were doing! It's called ACTING! Look it up!"

Its just proving my point that they are giving an unreal amount of leniency compared to any other Internet prostitute.

But are they? Are they really?

The only people given them leniency are their fans for the most part. Like everyone famous on the internet.

Shit there are still people in fucking Destiny and Boogie2988's corner.

Listen, everyone who puts themselves out there like this its really just a matter of time before they actually crack. Its just the way of the medium. Has Kirsche? Maybe, shit probably. But the thing is, her footprint is on a smaller scale simply because she isn't as famous as your other examples.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Like I said, we could have a video of vtubers molesting an actual child and vtoober stans would say "uhmm akshually that's a joke and part of a bit they were doing! It's called ACTING! Look it up!"

Its just proving my point that they are giving an unreal amount of leniency compared to any other Internet prostitute.

Kirsche is, using what we know, not using what we can infer, not using what we can speculate, not using what we can deduce, but using what we know, not a pedophile. She's a degenerate e-prostitute whom I would preffer to be driven off the internet and stuck in a dead-end job, she encourages bad attitudes and parasocial relationships within men, she's a grifter that abuses the fact that she's a woman to get money from lonely/young right-wingers, and she's also someone that's connected to pedophile defenders and lolicons. That's what we know, but what we do not know is if she watches lolicon, what we do know is if she is sexually attracted to kids, and what we do not know is if she encourages that deviancy by action or inaction within her fanbase. That's something we simply don't know

 

[WelperHelper99]

Like I said, we could have a video of vtubers molesting an actual child and vtoober stans would say "uhmm akshually that's a joke and part of a bit they were doing! It's called ACTING! Look it up!"

Its just proving my point that they are giving an unreal amount of leniency compared to any other Internet prostitute.

Rev would not have a thread if that were true. I would not have devoted well over a month to building his thread. But the reason Rev has a thread and Kirsche doesn't is quite simple. It was UNMISTAKABLE he is a pedophile. You have shown a single bad take. People are allowed to have bad takes. Rev made bad takes his lifestyle. Unless Kirsche starts spreading the gospel of the church of lolicon on every fucking stream, unless there ARE some raped kids, yeah she objectively is not on Rev's level. Until proven guilty, Kirsche is Not a pedophile.

 

[SuffahWhorse]

"Sure she defended lolicon but she didn't defend as passionately as this other guy did so it's okay" is certainly a take.

But the reason Rev has a thread and Kirsche doesn't is quite simple. It was UNMISTAKABLE he is a pedophile.

If Rev is a pedophile, then what does that make Kirsche who's friends with said pedophile?

 

[WelperHelper99]

"Sure she defended lolicon but she didn't defend as passionately as this other guy did so it's okay" is certainly a take.

I'm saying she defended it for money. Not great, but there is a difference between a true believer and a huckster.

If Rev is a pedophile, then what does that make Kirsche who's friends with said pedophile?

It's a question I wish to find out. The Vtuber shit is incestuous. But I want proof. More than a single video. Rev it was overwhelming. I could pick and choose. Here there is one video. That is smoke in the room, but not fire. There needs to be a consistant pattern of behavior. One bad take does not a pedophile make.

 

[Troonqueen]

I'm saying she defended it for money. Not great, but there is a difference between a true believer and a huckster.

It's a question I wish to find out. The Vtuber shit is incestuous. But I want proof. More than a single video. Rev it was overwhelming. I could pick and choose. Here there is one video. That is smoke in the room, but not fire. There needs to be a consistant pattern of behavior. One bad take does not a pedophile make.

Why are you sweeping for her who cares if she name dropped the farms a few times she has interacted and endorsed pedophiles/pedophila on multiple occasions.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Why are you sweeping for her who cares if she name dropped the farms a few times she has interacted and endorsed pedophiles/pedophila on multiple occasions.

I care about who gets hit with the title "pedophile". That word means something. It's not a fucking joke. It's a life destroyer. If someone is called a pedophile and is NOT a pedophile, you have destroyed their life forever. To paraphrase Josh, you only call someone a pedophile if you are willing to shoot them yourself and not feel bad afterwards. Kirsche from all i've seen does not meet that standard.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

For one you're wrong. These are the links on her about page
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There isn't even a patreon. You can't even throw money at her. Youtube is her main platform. If I can't get to her patron from here she doesn't have one. Provide a source. And as for why i give "leeway"? I don't try making it a habit of calling people pedophiles unless they are. Prove it or shut it.

And just to show i did my due dilligence, here is her Carrd site

https://kirsche-verstahl.carrd.co/

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What's this? No Patreon or Onlyfans? But she does have a shop. Lets scoot on over i guess in this ridiculous endeavor

https://uwumarket.us/collections/kirsche

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This is the entire shop. None of this is porn. You are demented if you claim that. Unless you can prove otherwise, you are a liar. Take your gender wars elsewhere.

shes a twitch streamer with costreams to youtube. she has superchats and other shit enabled. you can throw money if you want. She's been on a "death to dei and bridge" tear recently. sargon is the only other guy talking about Bridge and she gets way more viewers than he does. I'd consider her an investigative journalist now.

 

[WelperHelper99]

shes a twitch streamer with costreams to youtube. she has superchats and other shit enabled. you can throw money if you want.

Yes but the suggestion she had a only fans is false.

She's been on a "death to dei and bridge" tear recently. sargon is the only other guy talking about Bridge and she gets way more viewers than he does. I'd consider her an investigative journalist now.

Her DEI and BRIDGE coverage is why I am giving a lot of slack. The BRIDGE shit is out of left field, and her work has been cited by other channels and even news articles. It's actually really revealing shit in terms of politics id expect of more normal political streamers. Her content is not set up for children. It's set up for adults. And it's very clearly set up for adults. Video games and the like are secondary to her political talk.

 

[Troonqueen]

Yes but the suggestion she had a only fans is false.

Her DEI and BRIDGE coverage is why I am giving a lot of slack. The BRIDGE shit is out of left field, and her work has been cited by other channels and even news articles. It's actually really revealing shit in terms of politics id expect of more normal political streamers. Her content is not set up for children. It's set up for adults. And it's very clearly set up for adults. Video games and the like are secondary to her political talk.

I’m going to be honest I don’t care about poltisperging on top of the pedo shit she’s loud and annoying which is a double whammy.

 

[Lidl Drip]

I care about who gets hit with the title "pedophile". That word means something. It's not a fucking joke. It's a life destroyer. If someone is called a pedophile and is NOT a pedophile, you have destroyed their life forever. To paraphrase Josh, you only call someone a pedophile if you are willing to shoot them yourself and not feel bad afterwards. Kirsche from all i've seen does not meet that standard.

I never called her a pedophile, that's a strawman you made up because it's the only accusation you can beat. This is what I said:

excusing pedophilia or directly catering to pedophiles

Maybe it's just me but pandering to pedophiles in exchange for money is BAD. It is something people who have zero morals do. Excusing pedophilia is BAD and it's extremely questionable as to why someone would do this.

Kirsche is guilty of doing both of these things and you are sweeping it up cause you are a loser vtuber simp.