Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

  • This Month

    Votes: 67 14.3%
  • Next Month

    Votes: 56 12.0%
  • This Year

    Votes: 73 15.6%
  • Next Year

    Votes: 157 33.6%
  • Whenever he issues an update to the sanctions

    Votes: 114 24.4%

  • Total voters
    467
Have they ever said a sideways word about you? Defamation

Ever linked the farms or your podcast on any of their social bullshit? Copyright infringement (with support and precedent from the 10th circuit).

Threatened you or your enterprise, even obliquely and vaguely (and let's face it, most you deal with lack even that much subtlety)? Intimidation with mental anguish.

Doesn't matter if it's credible, doesn't matter if it's winnable. The courts are a weapon, and not using them as such is foolish.
 
Have they ever said a sideways word about you? Defamation

Ever linked the farms or your podcast on any of their social bullshit? Copyright infringement (with support and precedent from the 10th circuit).

Threatened you or your enterprise, even obliquely and vaguely (and let's face it, most you deal with lack even that much subtlety)? Intimidation with mental anguish.

Doesn't matter if it's credible, doesn't matter if it's winnable. The courts are a weapon, and not using them as such is foolish.
i think it is MORE than enough that russell’s singular leg to stand on is that kiwi farms has “caused people to commit suicide,” of which there is zero proof.

edit: of course, russell “doesn’t think he will commit suicide,” but kiwi farms has made it happen before, so he can’t entirely rule it out. the fucking insanity.
 
Absolute privilege protects him from defamation for anything filed in court until there's a malicious prosecution tort.

The idea is to put him on backfoot but I don't like the defamation tort in general unless it's 100% winnable.
 
yeah but I'm not talking recovery, I'm talking an immediate counterclaim that doubles the workload and puts them on defense.
Well, assuming this takes place in homefront, there's a W.Va. Code § 61-5-27a possibility, but it would require you to file a separate civil suit. See, for example, Marietta Area Healthcare, Inc. v. King, Civil action 5:21-CV-25 (N.D.W. Va. Apr. 8, 2022). The only other thing that comes to mind would be abuse of process, but asserted as counterclaim instead of separate action, which is something you can do.
Absolute privilege protects him from defamation for anything filed in court
Only if it's relevant to the case at hand. Collins v. Red Roof Inns, 211 W. Va. 458, 566 S.E.2d 595 (W. Va. 2002) But, generally said, this is not a prospective vector of attack.
 
Is the lesson here that pro se lawsuits are actually way more viable the people originally thought since courts will bend over backwards to reinterpret their legal screed? Or is the lesson that suing sites and people with a bad reputation is easier than people originally thought since courts will bend over backwards to rule against the "bad bad people"? I'm probably at a 60/40 mix where "pro se is more viable" is the 60 right now. Pro se is way more viable than I thought, but obviously KF and its reputation are making it even easier for the court to rule for Greer.
 
Is the lesson here that pro se lawsuits are actually way more viable the people originally thought since courts will bend over backwards to reinterpret their legal screed? Or is the lesson that suing sites and people with a bad reputation is easier than people originally thought since courts will bend over backwards to rule against the "bad bad people"? I'm probably at a 60/40 mix where "pro se is more viable" is the 60 right now. Pro se is way more viable than I thought, but obviously KF and its reputation are making it even easier for the court to rule for Greer.
the company i work for now gets sued frequently, often by people who were prosecuted for theft. they legit submit their complaints to the court on notebook paper and are rarely taken as seriously as russell has been. russell’s legit only edge is his fucking ability to to copy/paste into pre-written legal documents. he has changed his formatting of his own legal documents over the years to match what his opposing lawyers have submitted. his original legal documents in his first few lawsuits were basically numbered points. he’s at least learned how to draft a more appropriate legal document learning from the lawyers he goes up against. it appears that the more “legally educated” a pro se litigant can make themselves appear, the more leniency they they get.
 
Is the lesson here that pro se lawsuits are actually way more viable the people originally thought since courts will bend over backwards to reinterpret their legal screed? Or is the lesson that suing sites and people with a bad reputation is easier than people originally thought since courts will bend over backwards to rule against the "bad bad people"? I'm probably at a 60/40 mix where "pro se is more viable" is the 60 right now. Pro se is way more viable than I thought, but obviously KF and its reputation are making it even easier for the court to rule for Greer.
Here is what you need to understand about pro se civil suits.
  • Anyone can file them, including non-citizens and non-residents.
  • They can be filed anywhere by anyone.
  • They can assert any allegation and it will be presumed true until discovery.
  • You do not need to be an attorney to file, and there is no auditing to verify you are who you say you are.
  • A defendant does need an attorney to represent an LLC, so if you file pro se as a person against a one member LLC, they must hire presentation.
  • Attorneys are limited by state. If you file in the wrong state, that's a benefit to you, because they have to put down a second $5000 retainer to even move the case. There's probably less than a dozen attorneys who would sit on the bar of both, for instance, Hawaii and Kansas.
  • If they do not participate, they lose by default. This includes instances where you've sued them in a jurisdiction they've never been in.

There are a few sniff tests that filter out the most basic and primitive spurious lawsuits sua sponte, however, they can be easily met in writing alone.

  • They must state a claim. It doesn't matter what it is, but you must reference a statute or common law tort by which you seek relief.
  • They must justify jurisdiction and venue. It doesn't have to be a good justification, they just have to try.

Remember, in the initial filings, every single thing the plaintiff says is assumed to be true. You are guilty until proven innocent. You do not have a right to a speedy trial. You do not have a right to an attorney. You can only represent yourself, not your company.

So lets see how this plays out in practice. An insane woman in Virginia files against a Floridian company and person in Virginia. She claims relief under an IIED tort (one of the worst in modern law to actually win, but a real tort) and claims that the venue is correct because she lives there and the Internet has unfortunately reached western Virginia. Therefore, she passes the smell test (legally speaking, not in real life). Then, a timer starts. You either pay a Virginia attorney or you lose and owe a billion trillion dollars to an insane person.

My theory is that this works for anyone. Lets say a Bulgarian crimelord and someone (you) pisses him off who lives in Kansas. He (henceforth "Ivan") can probably sue you and your company in Hawaii alleging that his name is Chubudu Holo'dowannatingo and he were super-mega-raped by this person living in Kansas, during your vacation to Hawaii. Ivan claims IIED and False Imprisonment (torts under which to seek relief). He claims, specifically, that he was victimized during April 2020 in Honolulu.

He pays someone $20 in bitcoin to print this filing (generated for free in 30 seconds by a local LLM) and sends it to the court house. They docket it. He then pays someone else $20 in bitcoin to service you in Kansas. You have a family friend who's an attorney, and you pay him $5000 for a retainer, but unfortunately, he's only on the Kansas bar, not the Hawaii bar.

You have a really good defense: you were in jail in Leavenworth for war crimes in 2020, and also COVID lockdowns didn't permit flights to Hawaii. Also, Holo'dowannatingo doesn't exist and there's no record she exists.

So you pay $5000 for a retainer for a Hawaiian attorney. He manages to argue venue is inappropriate because it's a bullshit case, and it's transferred to Kansas (you get no money out of your retainer). The case is transferred to Kansas, and the local news prints about your rape case which gets spread on Facebook. You eventually win but you don't have the money to harass local news for retractions.

In that year, you spent 1/4th of your gross income on attorney's fees, spent 6 months highly anxious awaiting results, lost friends because you were falsely accused, and in the end all the court can do is shrug because Ivan lives in Bulgaria and the case was filed anonymous on behalf of a fictitious entity. Your life is ruined and nobody cares.
 
The only other thing that comes to mind would be abuse of process, but asserted as counterclaim instead of separate action, which is something you can do.
That may be the way to go. His refusal to file within the correct deadline, his previously stated desire to bankrupt Null (Archive), and his shock Null raised $150k+ in legal fees all speak to a plan to "run out the clock," as it were. It's worth speaking with Hardin to see if that's a viable way to go.

Your life is ruined and nobody cares.
Your life might be ruined, but we still care. You wouldn't have gotten $150k+ out of us otherwise.
 
as horrific as all of this is, thank you @Null for your insight. you are the one living this hell, the rest of us are just desperately wishing for a good outcome. sorry on behalf of myself and everyone out of our depth. we all truly just want a good outcome, even if a good outcome seems impossible.
 
I like adversarial systems for criminal cases, but I wonder if inquisitorial systems would be better for civil cases.

Retard litigant nuisance files horseshit suit. Judge spends time reviewing case. Declares litigant to be a faggot and fines him five grand for wasting the courts time. End of suit.

Onus is on court first before defendant has to spend money on an attorney.
 
I like adversarial systems for criminal cases, but I wonder if inquisitorial systems would be better for civil cases.

Retard litigant nuisance files horseshit suit. Judge spends time reviewing case. Declares litigant to be a faggot and fines him five grand for wasting the courts time. End of suit.

Onus is on court first before defendant has to spend money on an attorney.
No one expects the Nullish Inquisition.
No one expects the Kiwi Inquisition.
 
You don't need that level of reform. Just stop people from filling pro se without a license, and actually verify identities before docketing a case. Pro se should be reserved for the defense only.

This way, crazy fillings are just professional malpractice and the judge doesn't feel sorry for you.
 
I like adversarial systems for criminal cases, but I wonder if inquisitorial systems would be better for civil cases.

Retard litigant nuisance files horseshit suit. Judge spends time reviewing case. Declares litigant to be a faggot and fines him five grand for wasting the courts time. End of suit.

Onus is on court first before defendant has to spend money on an attorney.
“ignorance of the law” is no excuse when it comes to criminal cases, but civil cases? it’s the wild wild west, because it’s nearly impossible to have a real standard when the “harm” is so variable. in criminal cases harm is easy to establish. but because no one can put a standard on “harm” in civil cases, it’s all fucked
 
Everyone knows the funniest outcome is Null giving up on the court system and using the legal fund to hire darkweb crips to beat the shit out of Russel Greer but Utah's so white the crips turn out to be juggalos and they dress in actual clown outfits when they beat the shit out of him and their clown shoes honk with every kick and then they c-walk away in their clown shoes when they're done.
Instead of Crips, Null could probably get a cut rate deal hiring Vegas area Hookers to beat the shit out of Russel. The Hookers would be more personally motivated.
 
That may be the way to go. His refusal to file within the correct deadline, his previously stated desire to bankrupt Null (Archive), and his shock Null raised $150k+ in legal fees all speak to a plan to "run out the clock," as it were. It's worth speaking with Hardin to see if that's a viable way to go.
Too late. Now Null either has to ask the court to sanction it, or wait until he loses and file a malicious prosecution suit against Russ. It's a legitimate defense for Russ that it wasn't malicious because he lost. So, that is only available if Null loses. The sanction thing, however, is not.
I am really hopeful we(Useful Mistake) is able to get the documents for his eviction case. That should be a fun read.
Don't be hopeful. I think they replaced the clerk with some extremely lazy bastard. I'm trying, but I am getting nowhere.
Pro se should be reserved for the defense only.
And probably for habeas corpus petitions.
 
That may be the way to go. His refusal to file within the correct deadline, his previously stated desire to bankrupt Null (Archive)
What's the statute of limitations on suing for abuse of process? That said, I'm not sure one social media post would be compelling enough evidence to launch a suit against Russhole. Unless of course those chucklefucks at the DJF are so pissed off at Russhole because he just won't stop bothering them that they're willing to do a heel turn and act as witnesses for Null.

Thanks in advance for the rainbows.
 
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