Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

TFR is literally the only thing giving me any hope for Hoi4 modding these days


As a side note I really don’t like how syndicalism has been completely eradicated in this world either. It would have been interesting to see what a Syndie nation in South America or Asia for example would do in a world where the main revolutionary base (France and Britain) collapsed. Do they reform to adapt to this new world ? Stick to ideological orthodoxy no matter what or abandon syndicalism altogether ?

It doesn't make much sense with how utterly overpowered they made the Minang Insurgency. Having a syndie outpost in China might have been an interesting prospect, have them act like the real world soviets, leveraging a growing industrial base to foment uprisings around the world. However, that might have been fun and that is the antithesis of a KR mod these days.
I still haven't played it myself. Looked at it on the workshop and knew it would be a let down. Like everyone else I am holding out hope for TFR and the Equestria subnation update.

 

[Caligura]

The start date is a massive handicap. Starting at 1948, literally RIGHY AFTER the Weltkrieg means those countries will spend a huge chunk of their time rebuilding. TNO and TWR were smart to put some time between the war and the start of the mod. So the countries could focus on domestic and international politics.

I highly doubt were gonna see 40 years worth of content in this mod.

Early Cold War is so boring aside from the Korean War. It's basically just WW2 with slightly better technology.

If there was one thing I could praise about TNO, it's start date of 1962 is absolutely perfect for a 'classic' kind of Cold War vibe where all superpowers start off at their respective peaks with of course the 60s aesthetic.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Early Cold War is so boring aside from the Korean War. It's basically just WW2 with slightly better technology.

If there was one thing I could praise about TNO, it's start date of 1962 is absolutely perfect for a 'classic' kind of Cold War vibe where all superpowers start off at their respective peaks with of course the 60s aesthetic.

The way in which a good early Cold War can be done is the way CWIC did it in regards to the soviets, with lots of potential expansion for the VP, as well as content for those nations and an AH path where Stalin lives longer, and also important ramifications like a nationalist victory in the chinese civil war, which allows for the existance of essentially a North China and South China. CWIC itself is sadly woefully incomplete and somewhat buggy, so I can't really recommend it in its entirety, altough the way they integrated their economy system with normal gameplay is far better than TNO's

 

[Aspen Avionics]

Addendum to my rant. They were so fucking bored with China that all they could come up with was Fengtian vs Federalist + Left Kuomintang fusion nation... seriously? Lmfao. They just chose to do nothing, with the scenario. It's so boring. the Saudis unified Arabia. Mexico is still socialist and just sits all quiet while the AUS and PSA breathe down their neck. Every nation in South America is some flavour of right wing dictatorship or backsliding democracy. India is led by Nehru, which is just like okay? They have random princely states down in the south for no reason. Why the fuck would a UNIFIED Republic of India with Pakistan as well just let them exist? A lot of the portraits are of varying quality.

In the attached file, Mackenzie King's hair is just fucked, everyone has seemingly been rubbed all over with oil. Otto in charge of the Danubian Federation straight up just looks like the "have you seen this man before?" in your dreams type shit. Italy literally has a fucking part of their focus tree that is there but not able to be done "COMING UP IN A REWORK!" Because they thought reworking Italy last minute was a great idea.

A lot of the American Union State's political leaders focus trees are the same, just either some changed names on the right side of the tree. The left side is the same for every leader you can immediately elect.

It's just gay. So fucking gay. Oh yeah and Howard Hughes can be elected in the Pacific States of America. WOW! AWESOME REFERENCE GUIZ!

Oh yeah and Norway is Radical Socialist. Norway, surrounded by the fucking Entente and Reichspakt, both super capitalism epic friendship imperialism guys and Norway is just permitted to be it's own gay little socialist utopia led by Trygve Lie.

They've also got their own little new ideology called Revolutionary Republicanism which is just aggressive foreign policy/anti reactionary Social Democracy. Did this really need to be a completely new ideology? It's a difference in foreign policy and that's literally it.

They literally just admit that a lot of the shit in the mod is "old content" in their discord and just shoveled it in instead of making it good for launch. The mod really needed another year in the oven.

I'm sorry to shit up the thread with walls of photos and text but the amount of people that cheer on this mod when it embodies the absolute worst of HOI4 modding is just infuriating.

 

[VariableOverflow]

I love the "it's old content" excuse. They think it explains away the lacking content, but in reality it just serves as a mirror to compare "new" content to, and when there's not that large of a difference between the "bad old" and "good new", it just means your content sucked ass then and it continues to do so now.

 

[Happy Camper]

I love the "it's old content" excuse. They think it explains away the lacking content, but in reality it just serves as a mirror to compare "new" content to, and when there's not that large of a difference between the "bad old" and "good new", it just means your content sucked ass then and it continues to do so now.

Oftentimes, it's sadder than that unless you're talking about KX, OWB and the handful of other mods that arguably stay up to date and adhere to fan feedback (compared to their peers at least).
For most it's "bad old" vs "nonexistent new but we promise it'll be good in a few years" or "new rework with less routes/actual content but more highly biased 'realism"'. Oftentimes it feels like the best days of HOI4 modding are behind us despite the fact that the pool of talent ought to be larger than ever.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

A lot of the American Union State's political leaders focus trees are the same, just either some changed names on the right side of the tree. The left side is the same for every leader you can immediately elect.

They’re the same because they all have to do rebuilding shit. So you spend very little time actually playing as the path you chose lmao.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

The start date is a massive handicap. Starting at 1948, literally RIGHY AFTER the Weltkrieg means those countries will spend a huge chunk of their time rebuilding. TNO and TWR were smart to put some time between the war and the start of the mod. So the countries could focus on domestic and international politics.

I highly doubt were gonna see 40 years worth of content in this mod.

I've not played it but having to rebuilt post WK2 in theory shouldn't be bad because its essentially the same starting setup as normal KR where your economy is utter trash and you need to recover while building up to war, but it sounds like they've over a bit too far with the debuffs and the time it takes to get rid of them.

It doesn't make much sense with how utterly overpowered they made the Minang Insurgency. Having a syndie outpost in China might have been an interesting prospect, have them act like the real world soviets, leveraging a growing industrial base to foment uprisings around the world. However, that might have been fun and that is the antithesis of a KR mod these days.
I still haven't played it myself. Looked at it on the workshop and knew it would be a let down. Like everyone else I am holding out hope for TFR and the Equestria subnation update.

I would've gone with Bharatiya instead of Minang.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Italy literally has a fucking part of their focus tree that is there but not able to be done "COMING UP IN A REWORK!" Because they thought reworking Italy last minute was a great idea.

The worst part is that Italy before the rework was actually one of the few interesting parts of the mod.

Like "How is Itally going to put itself back together this time? Find out in this mod."

 

[Moja Zemlja]

The worst part is that Italy before the rework was actually one of the few interesting parts of the mod.
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Like "How is Itally going to put itself back together this time? Find out in this mod."

It'd just be another Italian battle royale except less balanced than KR. If I was to do it there would still be a unified Italy but due to an unaligned Two Sicilies victory that happened early in the war and saved from the ravages of 2WK, so Italy would be reasonably strong and then have to manage balancing the power blocs trying to woo it to maximise the benefits, if you do it well you can get a lot of concessions but if you don't either you end up with little to no concessions or have to persue your goal of a Greater Italy on your own.

 

[Corpun]

Why do all these mods need a Second Risorgiomento. I get that reuinifing Italy is an intesting path, but at the point Italy breaks up in the early 1920s or whatever, unified Italy is only 70-80 years old. There would have literally been people alive who predated it.

It's far more interesting to explore the historic regional differences in Italy, which is why I feel like Two Sicilies is such an undercooked nation in Kaiserreich, given it was never part of the original goal for unified Italy.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

I've not played it but having to rebuilt post WK2 in theory shouldn't be bad because its essentially the same starting setup as normal KR where your economy is utter trash and you need to recover while building up to war, but it sounds like they've over a bit too far with the debuffs and the time it takes to get rid of them.

Except in regular KR there's a payoff. You're building up your army and economy for a global war that kicks off in 39-40. In Kalterkrieg unless you start World War III there's no ultimate payoff other than getting rid of the extreme debuffs.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Doubleposting to let you all know that TFR has been kicked off the modding coop, despite them previously saying they had no problems with them.. Apperantly it was abrupt and they were never reached out to about why. If I had to make an educated guess it's because the devs didn't say "trans rights" hard enough.

 

[VariableOverflow]

If I had to make an educated guess it's because the devs didn't say "trans rights" hard enough.

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Spoiler: The requirements mentioned, just relating to member mod requirements or something

tl;dr, TFR was removed because they didn't follow the rules.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

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tl;dr, TFR was removed because they didn't follow the rules.

Is TNO a part of this shit ? Because it seems like you need to be actively developing your mod and they ain’t doing shit.

 

[Libyan Ninja]

Is TNO a part of this shit ? Because it seems like you need to be actively developing your mod and they ain’t doing shit.

No they got kicked after the shit that happened in 2021 (though I have heard whispers that they were briefly reinstated but I can’t confirm that)

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tl;dr, TFR was removed because they didn't follow the rules.

This is quite the scummy thing to do once you realise that they waited for Grestin (PB lead dev who batted for TFR in the Coop) to be offline to spring this into action, I know Red’s personally had a vendetta against TFR after Grisha streamed it and have been calling the community Z Mod and Raschist mod ever since. Grestin being offline and John coincidentally celebrating Biden dropping out of the race hours before this just gave them an excuse to move in against TFR.

 

[VariableOverflow]

It certainly does sound fishy. There was no rush, but they rushed the decision through anyway. Of course, none of this really affects TFR, they havent even posted their teasers on the Coop for maybe years, so if anything, this is just another of the big mods like TNO and KR that is not part of the Coop clique. I'll let everyone draw their conclusion as to why so many of the most popular mods arent even in the Coop.

 

[MajinGoku]

This is my pitch for a kaiserreich sequel

Third international vs savinkov cold war but with a twist-leftist infighting

half the third internationale is under mosley who is trying to spread totalism. The other half is basic syndicalist.

America is a corporate dictatorship that masquerades as a democracy after the buisness plot overthrew macarthur (it makes more sense for corporations to back a military juanta than a left wing leaning populist)

Japan is still a democracy.

Nat france fell but Canada and the rest of the entente survived and are taking to maintain power in the americas against the USA

 

[Libyan Ninja]

Update on African Dawn, uhh it seems like the Burkinabe Junta Government knows about it and HOI4 thanks to Grisha now.

 

[MajinGoku]

Update on African Dawn, uhh it seems like the Burkinabe Junta Government knows about it and HOI4 thanks to Grisha now.
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Why the fuck is the government of a country getting involved in a fucking hoi4 mod