The fact people see this over and over yet literally zero people are advocating for at least pepper spray to be legal in the UK is absurd. If a brown guy with a knife wants to kill your kid, your kid is dead. If he wants to rape your wife, your wife is raped. The UK police and politicians keep in that way. You are not allowed to defend yourself. People still hoping “people will wake up” when Labour just got voted in. It’s over, it’s been over.
Their is and it's growing, there is also a lot of people not just "Kids an teens" carrying something for self defence more than ever, the news doesn't report on it because it's not something they like even the edgier puppets like GBNews don't report on it but it is a thing, My Mrs is a large animal vet and is on call nearly all the time (shortage in the field, quite literally in her case) and carries some emergency kit she uses on her person at all times - I'm a Smith and I tend to carry a hardened steel punch or cold chisel in my pocket because I wear my cloaths in the shop an out of it unless its a fancy occasion, and that's just me an the mrs but I can tell you now in the last 10 - 12 years most people have started carrying something, and the calls for legitimate access are growing just not widly reported.
They arrived in 96, two years after. The genocide lasted a few months. By 96 the trials were starting, which is why I’m curious about the timeline
Do we have a name for the parents parents by any chance?
Let’s see why they left Rwanda first. 96 was when the international criminal trials were ongoing.
I've read the thread since you posted these and I hit multi quote but I am not so sure that's a viable angle, it could be but something about it just doesn't ring my anvil, unless their is an angle I am missing something doesn't quite fit but I can't explain what.
Whatever their background or virtues before this, their son/brother has ruined their lives. It's hard to rise above an association with a child killer.
A guy I was in school with, his cousin killed his Dad and His Mum an someone else related to them and he an his family moved an changed names to escape the stigma associated with it and it sucks because he was a nice lad and was genuinely just all around well liked. His cousin was in the same school as me an him a few years ahead of us and was notoriously vile like it was rare to not find him in a lunchtime or break detention and Girls an some of the teachers didn't want to be alone around him kinda vile.
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Why be involved if it’s not terror related. Sus.
That's the thing that's pissing most people off including a lot of normally lefty people, this was obviously an clearly a terror attack in the UK our definition of Terrorism is a bit weird but anything done to "Inspire fear, or Harm of people persons and Property" can be considered an act of Terror, the current spin is "No this is just a knife crime" is ringing VERY hollow a knife crime is some idiots stabbing each other with kitchen knifes or stolen garden / farm tools not this sort of attack, earlier in the same day a Squaddie in full uniform was knifed an they did it there too, no connections before the attacker an victim met but race, religion and ideology's let alone a picture of the suspect not mentioned, so people reading between the lines answer it for themselfs.
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All 3 (so far) deaths have been identified.
The youngest and the one that got me to post when I saw her body could be the spit of my niece, like nearly fucking twins -
Don't forget as well that public fondness for the police is at rock bottom right now. Which when you are using a policing by consent model is bad.
People are also starting to notice the double standards. Not quickly enough hence my above rant since this fucking riot will be used by every worthless rag in the country to explain why it's so much more important to be anti-racists than to stop children being stabbed. But it's getting there.
Oddly before 2005 it was at an all time high or at least the highest it's been in a long time, the swing is depressing and also very telling.
In around 98 I used to take out an Elderly neighbours Bins, as a kid nothing special it was just my mum shouting "Don't forget Mr Jones's Bins!" on a Monday morning as I left for school, this is something as a family we'd been doing for years because Mr Jones was a nice old bloke and on his own, and one morning I was leaving early and the local plod where doing their daily walk about an knew all the local kids but never saw me doing this before so told me to stop an woke up Mr Jones an asked him if it was OK I did that an he told them "Oh yes that's young Mr Mycologist I'd be lost without him always running the shops for me an helping me out around the place, nice young man" the copper looked at me said "On you go Son" I fetched the other bin and pulled it to the middle of the bin point waved an moved on, few weeks later same copper see's me waves me over an asks If I could help some other old person out do the same and it was someone my Nan was friends with who hated being helped but he said he told her "He'll ask a nice young man to help who wont ask for anything" that was the late 90's in the same area now it's hard to get a officer to show up, the community is still close but the relationship between the community and the police is not just broken it's non exsistant.
I am warming up to these british citizens. Good luck to everyone involved.
Maybe the bobbies can ask for guns from the community if they feel things are getting out of control. They are probably better armed than they are.
Yet, it's still the UK, I am not getting my hopes up just yet.
Southport and Formby are some of the most legally tooled up areas in the UK, Guns are not illegal in the UK they are just restricted (more than they should be) but they are around and in more numbers than you'd expect. I am just up 20 miles or so from Southport on the way to the lakes and I have 2 Shotguns, and my Mrs has 3 including a Dart Gun she needs for work at times.
Would the political authorities be willing to mobilize the military over this if push comes to shove?
For this No, but in the UK deploying the army or navy for civilian problems is rare and extremely rarely done for historical and legal reasons, and it has long complex law surrounding it.
Deploying the Military in the UK as law enforcement has backfired 99% of the time an made things worse, and British Soldiers are extremely reluctant to do it ( I think to the point historically this is was at least once considered a legitimate reason to desert / not obey orders).
If it's support services like Fire or Medical there is no issue, it's when law enforcement get's involved thats when the armed forces say "Nope" and it takes a lot to get the to even be allowed to get involved in such circumstances, the ONLY exception I am aware of if for Army an Navy base towns where the Crown Police are allowed to enforce civil law (but not make an arrest) but can and do make arrests of anyone under crown law (Servicemen) and what normally happens is drunken squaddie or sailor gets arrested for being drunk goes through civilain courts an gets a slap on the wrist then handed over to the Military system that has its own punishments.
Speaking of, where’s ol’ Farage (or as his friends call him, Nig) while all of this is going on? Is he out in Southport speaking and meeting people but the media isn’t reporting on it? Or does Reform think it would be bad optics for him to show up?
He's just being a utter sack of shite an grifting like normal, he is wisely staying away from the location.
None. Not sure where to look past a point, it’s not like he will have a British birth certificate and I doubt Rwanda has them online
Oddly if your a UK Citizen or dependant apparently they make a retroactive one for your claimed age, one of my closest friends is married to a girl who moved here in 92 who is the same age as me and has her national birth certificate and a full English one too but it has a stamp on it that means issued for national compliance. I know there is a lot of odd shit arounf this but she's held a security clearance and apart from the odd word hear an now without looking at her you'd have no idea she wasn't native to the UK.
I want to see those records, this is a weirdly common thing for people who get established, the found companies to hide activity of others mostly illegal or grey market income, this is the reason why ubereats an Deliveroo get a pass for illegals working they are not breaking the law but there is a lot of fuckery going on in this space, and the HMRC want to audit but dont because of various fears of accusation of predudice.
