Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

[everybody in Portugal]

does she leave out the part where she deliberately strangled her daughter in her snatch and pretend she either doesn't know the cause or lie and say it's something that happened in the womb/a genetic condition

MCE is not a genetic condition. I'd guess she probably leaves out the details that make it clear she is responsible, but any doctor who knew Luna's diagnosis would be default know it likely came from birth injury.

 

[GenociderSyo]

MCE is not a genetic condition. I'd guess she probably leaves out the details that make it clear she is responsible, but any doctor who knew Luna's diagnosis would be default know it likely came from birth injury.

She has had doctors that even told her that. She used to be too naive to edit her posts about that.

 

[BunchofMunch]

She's absolutely fuckin desperate to get a sponsorship off that Hippie Joey sling maker, isn't she. Stop tagging them, Blob, they're not listening!

It doesn't even seem to be a very good sling tbh; since it's worn on only one shoulder it's going to be uncomfortable to use for longer periods of time, and all that stretch is going to make it very unsupportive as the baby gets heavier. It's basically just a stretchy ring sling, though I'll give them that it's probably practical when you just need it for some extra support while carrying often but short stretches of time and it seems to take up less space than a regular ring sling.
Sorry about that little baby wearing sperging, I just really enjoy shitting on stuff Blob likes.

ETA: wanted to reply to everybody in Portugal but apparently there were a whole bunch of new posts in between that I missed

 

[₲litches]

I really want to know how many doctors, if any, have told her that Luna is beyond saving. If they have she's probably just stuck her fingers in her ears like "lalala, can't hear you!" and gone on doing all she does to sustain the potato, or does she leave out the part where she deliberately strangled her daughter in her snatch and pretend she either doesn't know the cause or lie and say it's something that happened in the womb/a genetic condition? Not that it exactly matters now how it happened given the kid is FUBAR, but people who refuse to learn from their mistakes and continue doing the same shit at the expense of someone else who didn't ask for it are the actual worst.

I’m sure many have. At least two did for her to have accessed hospice services. But, as Robyn often insists, she knows better than the doctors.
Families like the Globs are wildcards. They’ll be more focused on recording and arguing down medical professionals trying to have difficult conversations than actually participating in those conversations. They’ll source insane supplements and medications (several of my families got meds on veterinary supply shops) to ‘cure’ their loved ones and tank them in the process. When their loved one passes, they’ll park on the “anger” stage of grief and try to sue everyone who they feel has failed them or write insane screeds on Facebook about how hospice kills people.

Robyn is not alone or even particularly rare in this. She’s a woman who props herself up with woo and bullshit so she doesn’t have to face her own powerlessness. Nothing feels more powerless than being told by a doctor that there is nothing more to be done. It’s horrible and sad and scary and overwhelming. In hospice, it’s often said that the family are our patients too - they need care and support as much as the patient. But Robyn won’t accept help unless it’s on her terms. She will never accept that she is not in control, not if every doctor in the continental US told her the truth. Look at just her pinned posts shilling her reiki courses in insta - what she’s really trying to sell is a feeling of power and control.

I’m sure that in medical databases across the southwest, there are tomes worth of documentation on the Ramirez family’s maladaptive coping strategies.

 

[unexpected onions]

Atlas causing problems for Robyn is always amusing. She didn't expect her kid to turn into a real person.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

MCE is not a genetic condition. I'd guess she probably leaves out the details that make it clear she is responsible, but any doctor who knew Luna's diagnosis would be default know it likely came from birth injury.

Not likely. 100 percent is caused by brain injury either at birth, or though another event causing a brain injury. That’s the only good thing about the situation. It shouldn’t happen again unless Robyn has more kids and the same situation occurs

 

[Randomrando]

Tbh I always loved how anti-modern medicine Robyn is when modern medicine is the only thing keeping Luna alive.

Luna is fully dependent on modern medicine because Robyn went down the woo road. Robyn didn't want an icky hospital birth (barf) and now hospitals are the only thing that can keep Luna in our mortal world.

It's just a really beautiful irony that I dont think Robyn even recognizes.

 

[Pudgy Bear Claws]

Atlas causing problems for Robyn is always amusing. She didn't expect her kid to turn into a real person.

Since he started fucking shit up I've noticed both Robyn and Glenn post mainly about little Woody and the dying kid. I know newborns can take up a lot of their parents' energy and time but I hope cutie Atlas isn't just getting shoved in front of the television in his bunk bed.

 

[GenociderSyo]

 

[Awwtismo]

Robyn thanks everyone who has boughtten (my bad it's a real word, but I feel like it really shouldn't be one) anything from her or donated to Luna's cause. The rest of you who sent prayers and well wishes can go pound salt.

 

[Ms. Marple]

Robyn looks and sounds less smug than usual. Must be exhausting trying to con money while obscuring Lunas condition.
Not to mention, her entitlement knows no bounds. She’s literally asking for thousands of dollars to treat a child that’s a vegetable and receiving hospice care, while she spends her husbands hard-earned money on MLMs, organic groceries from high-end stores and useless gadgets.
I can only hope whoever is considering giving this con artist money will first look Robyn up and stumble on this thread.

 

[Awwtismo]

Whatever blur tool Robyn is using to shill various MLMs seems to be failing here. Luna has suspect patches now on her chin and both facial cheeks. (Zoom in there is discoloration present.) She also needs some serious mouth care. The picture with the round pillow from Target tells me someone advised her to "float Luna's heels" to prevent skin breakdown. In the stroller/wagon at the grocery store it looked like Luna had lamb's wool to cushion her heels and a chucks pad under her bottom. Look on the right of Luna at the white paper like thing sticking out. This supports the theory that the aloe vera supplements are causing her frequent and loose stools.
Robyn is panicking. She knows Luna is actively dying and is pulling out all the stops to prevent this outcome. She's mega dosing Luna on MLM supplements now. 4 acemannan supplements and 2 betalains supplements daily in the G-tube. This is far above the recommended dose for adults.
I hope Luna finds peace soon.
Screw Robyn.

 

[Bibbity Bobbity]

I hope cutie Atlas isn't just getting shoved in front of the television in his bunk bed.

I'm sure he is. I'm hoping they have the good sense (ha!) to send him to family in town, which would be wins all around.

Robyn seems to be grasping at straws, trying a Hail Mary pass to save her dying child. Otherwise it looks like a total grift.

I'm wondering if she is the one being conned by a charlatan.

 

[Trombonista]

When I saw Luna laying on that seat with the pillow it occurred to me who she reminded me of. View attachment 6258033

Unfair comparison. Billy can actually walk.

 

[Barbarella]

She wants intensive therapies that help children with cerebral palsy?

She is truly delusional. I’ve seen those therapies and they can do a lot in a short time but the child needs to have a brain.

I am not heartless-a mother watching her child die is a tragedy, even if the mother “strangled her daughter in her snatch.” (I vote we retire that unfunny, unoriginal and tacky phrase.).

But if Robyn had let nature takes its course as she had intended originally, Luna would be gone for over four years. Her grief would be softened and she wouldn’t have had time to build up this imaginary sassy daughter who can benefit from intensives that she thinks she has now. There are woo mothers who are misguided and weird, but who do enjoy their children and spend time with them. Robyn has been so focused on Luna that Atlas has been an afterthought and Woody was supposed to be a healthy girl and all she cares about is the tools she uses to carry him.

If Luna had died when she was supposed to, maybe she’d have found a way to enjoy her healthy children.

Luna affected all their lives and the mother that might have been the weird hippie mom is now an over the bend delusional narcissist. Those boys will hear about how they can never live up to Luna forever. The doctor who put the shunt in did no favors.

I guess we’ll never know what would have happened. She’s firmly in narc delusion territory and no matter what happens, too late to change.

I do think Luna had an aloe blowout in that wagon and Atlas rightfully got out of it. He’s going to have to hold up the world for his little brother, I fear.

 

[Kosher Salt]

Unpopular opinion, but nobody can possibly know if Luna suffers or not. I think a lot of the posts on this thread insisting she is not a person and can't feel pain are copes because the alternative is unbearable.

As one of the posters of those posts, I have no problem with saying I agree with you. I think that scientifically, medically, I believe that she lacks enough real consciousness to feel any pain, but I have not personally experienced and would not for a goddamn second sign up to experience whatever existence she is in. (Well, maybe for a second or few I'd actually want to experience it, but only so that I'd know what if anything she perceives.)

I cannot, in good faith, say that I know she doesn't experience pain if I would not volunteer to skinwalk her. I believe it, but I'm not that certain.

Just another reason why Robyn should say goodbye and let her go already, if she had any decency at all.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

Nobody is saying Buna doesn't have personhood (I think nobody is?), but it's hella comforting to me to trust in the collective opinion of the medfags in the thread when they say that even if she has pain signals going in, she can't process them in any meaningful way (shout out to @Thomas Eugene Paris and @GenociderSyo in particular for some really elucidating medical spergery over the last 750 pages). The alternative—that she's sentient in a meaningful way and aware of and suffering through her predicament—is horrifying enough that thinking about it is difficult for me.

While not being the cow herself, Luna's continued existence raises a lot more deep philosophical questions than most 'Farms threads do. The nature of being and consciousness, and what divides humans/sentient beings from sacks of breathing meat, the existence and location of the human soul, the difference between pain and suffering... I learn a lot in here and also a lot of medical stuff that just doesn't come up in my day-to-day life. There are a few threads around that teach and test me me as much as or more often than they make me laugh, and this is certainly one of them.

I'll breathe a sigh of relief when Luna dies, but that's not the same or even close to wishing death on her. I wish the problems her existence raises would be solved, and I appreciate that her death would free her family from the weight of caring for her, if only by putting them into bereavement and grief.

I'm hugely conflicted and I guess, @Adrenochrome Dreams, that that's why I choose to trust that she's not feeling much of anything at all. I don't know enough about medicine or neurology (or philosophy) to do anything but consider the opinions of people more knowledgeable than I, so I trust in whatever gods and stars are up there that the medfags here are correct in saying she's very likely not sentient or feeling anything at all. As I said, the alternative is grim beyond belief.

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

View attachment 6264854

Momento mori vibes.

 

[Robert California]

I’ve been entirely focused on Dani’s hospital vacay and haven’t been on the farms much. The past few pages had me hoping Buna had finally passed.

Once more, I am disappointed.

GO BUNA! BE FREE!