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Glowzigger said:
Couldn’t you just jump off the ISS with a parachute?
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Not without some pretty intense thermal shielding and internal cooling to prevent you from getting cooked. The guys who do stratosphere jumps only spend a couple or minutes at terminal velocity. They also start the jump at a speed of Zero relative to the movement of the earth.

Jumping from the ISS means you are starting at orbital free fall speed relative to the earth. Which is 4.76 Miles per second. At that speed a skydiver from the ISS would cover the same distance as the highest jump ever in an instant. It's also well above terminal velocity. Which means once you hit atmosphere you are going to slow down quickly. And the laws of thermodynamics are unkind. All that energy from your speed gets converted into heat. Alot of heat. You might make a brief shooting star though.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
Not without some pretty intense thermal shielding and internal cooling to prevent you from getting cooked. The guys who do stratosphere jumps only spend a couple or minutes at terminal velocity. They also start the jump at a speed of Zero relative to the movement of the earth.

Jumping from the ISS means you are starting at orbital free fall speed relative to the earth. Which is 4.76 Miles per second. At that speed a skydiver from the ISS would cover the same distance as the highest jump ever in an instant. It's also well above terminal velocity. Which means once you hit atmosphere you are going to slow down quickly. And the laws of thermodynamics are unkind. All that energy from your speed gets converted into heat. Alot of heat. You might make a brief shooting star though.
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Damn, ok science is hard. I just imagined it’s like jumping out of a jet, didn’t realise there’s the atmosphere and a parachute won’t really deploy in a vacuum.
 
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Glowzigger said:
Damn, ok science is hard. I just imagined it’s like jumping out of a jet, didn’t realise there’s the atmosphere and a parachute won’t really deploy in a vacuum.
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I'm reasonably sure you saw a movie or show that had a scene where the ship is re-entering the atmosphere and is on fire. and if not you must have heard the phrase "burn up on re-entry" at least once
 
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I'm reasonably sure you saw a movie or show that had a scene where the ship is re-entering the atmosphere and is on fire. and if not you must have heard the phrase "burn up on re-entry" at least once
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Yea, I have. Just kinda didn’t realise the thing is so high up that you’d encounter this. I was under the impression that this happens to objects that are, you know, waaaayyyyyy up there, not realising the iss is also way up there.
 
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NASA likely to significantly delay the launch of Crew 9 due to Starliner issues (archive)
Three separate, well-placed sources have confirmed to Ars that the current flight software on board Starliner cannot perform an automated undocking from the space station and entry into Earth’s atmosphere.
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It is not clear what change Boeing officials made to the vehicle or its software in the two years prior to the launch of Wilmore and Williams. It is possible that the crew has to manually press an undock button in the spacecraft, or the purely autonomous software was removed from coding on board Starliner to simplify its software package. Regardless, sources described the process to update the software on Starliner as "non-trivial" and "significant," and that it could take up to four weeks. This is what is driving the delay to launch Crew 9 later next month.
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
NASA likely to significantly delay the launch of Crew 9 due to Starliner issues (archive)
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I love the idea that at no point was there consideration for a scenario where both occupants of the Starliner were rendered incapacitated for literally any reason, or that the Starliner would have needed to be detached from the ISS without a crew (like, let's say a hostile alien or something, the actual reason isn't important) which would have necessitated automation for undocking and possibly re-entry.

Meanwhile, SpaceX had one of the starship rockets have one of its tail fins semi-disintegrate during re-entry and that thing did not give a fuck when it still reoriented and managed to achieve a vertical landing position (admittedly 6 km away from the target but the fact it recovered at all with severe damage to control surfaces is itself an incredible achievement).

I really don't see how Boeing is going to have its entire management suite survive once the dust settles. Billions of dollars of contracts lost over stupid shit and cut corners.

(edited to correct details about the SpaceX flight test)
 
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The fact the Falcon Launch is being delayed means there are now serious talks about scuppering starliner. The ISS crew rotation has to happen, and the Starliner crew cannot stay there. The shit heap also cannot stay at the docking port. Boeing has a week tops to fix their shit or their entire space division is going to get felted by SpaceX
 
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mindlessobserver said:
The fact the Falcon Launch is being delayed means there are now serious talks about scuppering starliner. The ISS crew rotation has to happen, and the Starliner crew cannot stay there. The shit heap also cannot stay at the docking port. Boeing has a week tops to fix their shit or their entire space division is going to get felted by SpaceX
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Press conference in a few hours:
NASA chief will make the final decision on how Starliner crew flies home (archive)
The NASA news release is silent on this issue, but a news conference scheduled for 12:30 pm ET on Wednesday will offer reporters an opportunity to ask questions about the capability of Starliner to fly back to Earth without crew members on board the vehicle. The release also did not specify whether two or four astronauts will launch inside the Crew 9 spacecraft. It is likely NASA has not made this decision yet.
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Edit: Newsweek reports NASA confirmed during the press call that it is considering using Crew Dragon, and a return in... February 2025:
In a call with reporters Wednesday, Steve Stich, NASA's commercial crew program manager, said that mission control has still not determined a return date for the crew and confirmed the space agency is exploring the use of SpaceX's Crew-9 Dragon as a backup plan.

"Our primary option is to return Butch and Sunny on Starliner. However, we have done the requisite planning to ensure we have other options open. We have been working with SpaceX to ensure they are ready to respond with Crew-9 as a contingency," said Stich.

NASA is considering a backup plan that would task SpaceX's Crew-9 vehicle with returning the Starliner crew, potentially extending the mission from 10 days to 8 months, with a return in February 2025. Although no final decisions have been made, this option remains under consideration.
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Boeing is mad, according to WSJ.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
Not without some pretty intense thermal shielding and internal cooling to prevent you from getting cooked. The guys who do stratosphere jumps only spend a couple or minutes at terminal velocity. They also start the jump at a speed of Zero relative to the movement of the earth.

Jumping from the ISS means you are starting at orbital free fall speed relative to the earth. Which is 4.76 Miles per second. At that speed a skydiver from the ISS would cover the same distance as the highest jump ever in an instant. It's also well above terminal velocity. Which means once you hit atmosphere you are going to slow down quickly. And the laws of thermodynamics are unkind. All that energy from your speed gets converted into heat. Alot of heat. You might make a brief shooting star though.
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suicide jumping from the ISS would actually be pretty fucking metal
 
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