Stop Killing Games (EU edition) - Moldman vs. Publishers

So is 100K signs enough to actually do anything?
 
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So is 100K signs enough to actually do anything?
I believe they need 1,000,000 and there has to be a minimum amount in each EU country, so for now 100k is insufficient. That being said, they have a year to get it done and they've already got a decent head start.
 
Impressive numbers. I just don't know if the EU would do anything for gamers. Still, it's worth a try. Wish you Euros luck.
It wouldn't be a "let's help the gamers out" thing, it's just that our EU Overlords love bureaucracy and regulations.

You'll all be pleased to know Thor has a thread on the farms!

I suggest reading up a bit if you want to lose further respect for them.
Jesus Christ.

The dude seems determined to actively work against this. The way he latched on to that Ross slide comes across as unhinged. Imagine being Ross and working on this for years, only for some 2-million-sub rando propped up by youtube to get so petty over it. He even calls The Crew a live-service game and argues that Ubisoft is in the right.

Conveniently, he doesn't mention how much of the current slop is not advertised as online-only or a live service. When I still cared about modern games it was impossible to get information on whether something could be played offline. The company wouldn't talk about it, journoscum wouldn't ask.

Must protect the corportion at its finest.


EDIT: People in the comments calling Ross a disgusting loser, for reasons (?). I don't know if Thor has developed a cult around him or he's becoming a lightning rod for corpo white knights.

EDIT2: Thor defenders are arguing that Ross/the initiative is against giving customers the right to host their own servers, as if that would require giving up the company's IP rights. I don't think even Thor himself made that argument against Ross. He went with "that would lead to cheating". But why would a company care about cheating in a game they no longer support?
 
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As expected, this thread has attracted anti-consumer contrarian faggots who play defense for corporations.
You mean "cynical people who think that signing petitions to the European Union that go nowhere is retarded and a waste of time", right. Because that's what history has proven to us multiple times here. It's gayer if you think that grovelling to a pan=governmental entity that is composed of anti-free speech retards and old fucks who don't like computer games or care about them is a superb masterplan.
It's fucking rich of him to talk about there needing to be a conversation when he outright dismissed Ross Scott's rather polite offer to discuss things.
And already, people are turning against each other. Proving multiple of my points about people unifying online is not only a lost cause but also ripe for breeding more lolcows AND more threads on this forum. That's all they're proving to us. Weeb Wars 2.0 doesn't describe the levels of 'tism we're seeing here.
It wouldn't be a "let's help the gamers out" thing, it's just that our EU Overlords love bureaucracy and regulations.


Jesus Christ.

The dude seems determined to actively work against this. The way he latched on to that Ross slide comes across as unhinged. Imagine being Ross and working on this for years, only for some 2-million-sub rando propped up by youtube to get so petty over it. He even calls The Crew a live-service game and argues that Ubisoft is in the right.

Conveniently, he doesn't mention how much of the current slop is not advertised as online-only or a live service. When I still cared about modern games it was impossible to get information on whether something could be played offline. The company wouldn't talk about it, journoscum wouldn't ask.

Must protect the corportion at its finest.


EDIT: People in the comments calling Ross a disgusting loser, for reasons (?). I don't know if Thor has developed a cult around him or he's becoming a lightning rod for corpo white knights.

EDIT2: Thor defenders are arguing that Ross/the initiative is against giving customers the right to host their own servers, as if that would require giving up the company's IP rights. I don't think even Thor himself made that argument against Ross. He went with "that would lead to cheating". But why would a company care about cheating in a game they no longer support?
I don't have to. I was there when Ross began it from the very start. And he was told directly in one of his streams that the Industry, post-Gamergate began cutting shit off, meaning that the letter-writing campaign was a non-starter. And now, he's dealing with the greater and more fundamental problems with "Online Grassroots Movements", the fact that they can be sunk by any lolcow with a large following. You know, people like John Swan, Balldo, and the Gunt Man himself. Almost as if people don't learn from fucking HISTORY! Hmm. There's a point where you must stop feeling sorry for people spending time on something, and start laughing at them for blindly marching on towards their failure. "But we breached 100K" which is diluted by multiple nation-states and member nations. None of which have reached 100% and the signatories are slowing down, despite the "positive news" (which is code for "denying the harsh reality that it's going nowhere and we're just hard-coping") as far as we're concerned.
 
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I don't have to. I was there when Ross began it from the very start. And he was told directly in one of his streams that the Industry, post-Gamergate began cutting shit off, meaning that the letter-writing campaign was a non-starter.
You watch Ross's streams? Oof, that's hardcore, I like the guy's edited content, but the streams make me want to die.

Anyway, it's hard to argue for game preservation when so many people seem eager to destroy you to defend a corporation.
Imagine someone arguing in favor of maybe preserving The Godfather only to be attacked by moviegoers that love love love Paramount Pictures. It's not something that would happen. It's such a unique to games situation and I'm not sure why.
Maybe the age of the medium and a generational thing? Maybe we would be treating movies like fast food as well, if movie making was newer and streaming had come a bit earlier.

In any case, if it fails it fails. Why not try?
 
In any case, if it fails it fails. Why not try?
That is an old saying many a retard online has said (or at the very least, have said or written something similar along the lines of this quote) before they ended up getting a massive thread here (ergo my references to the Weeb Wars and Gamergate, as well as what happened with Onision). Call me jaded and cynical. That's what happens when you follow multiple cases of this happening at once for over 10-12 years and nothing happens that's worth celebrating over. It is both comical and ironic that anyone speaking any harsh and vocal criticism and doubts relating to any of this working at all are either shot down as "You're a corporate stooge" or "We need to try this!" and other similar "You're a 'X', how about you stop being a fucking slave/simp" quotes. Which is dumb and just as pathetic as the people deleting Ross' comments and patient replies. And it's not unique to Games, remember the shit over Napster? Or how about the current narratives over AI somehow being capable of stealing other people's work? Or better yet, the people who still defend both Tobacco and Big Oil just because they hate environmentalists and the Environmentalists who defend sociopathic losers like Just Stop Oil because they're "On the right side of History"?
Imagine someone arguing in favor of maybe preserving The Godfather only to be attacked by moviegoers that love love love Paramount Pictures. It's not something that would happen.
Evidently, you haven't heard of a little, independent film and art collective known as The Walt Disney Company or the people who support and defend them. Or Kadokawa. Or anything that involves Cartoons. It's happened before and is currently happening elsewhere. People will defend anything, no matter what, regardless of what the people in charge do and are responsible for. It's not a generational thing either, you see this in media and outside of media if you include Sports Teams and that's been going on for over a century.
 
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You're mixing a bunch of different issues together. What does Napster or team sports or Disney fans have to do with the specific issue? Have people actually argued against preserving films because they stan movie studios?

If you're just saying that people in general will pick teams, then OK, I don't even disagree with you. But I'm talking game preservation versus other media.
 
You mean "cynical people who think that signing petitions to the European Union that go nowhere is retarded and a waste of time", right. Because that's what history has proven to us multiple times here. It's gayer if you think that grovelling to a pan=governmental entity that is composed of anti-free speech retards and old fucks who don't like computer games or care about them is a superb masterplan.
You have refunds on steam because of EU laws
You can download and delete the personal info they have on you on social media sites because of EU laws.
I believe they also did something to make lootboxes less shit, but I'm not sure.
 
The general consensus is Thor built himself up around youtube shorts. So younger audience that wants to get into video games and sees him as "The way"
He blew up because he found an exploit in the youtube shorts algorithm. When you upload a video or short, there's a box you can check that notifies your subscribers and puts it on their feed. The issue was that you might have dead accounts subbed to you or people that didn't log in that day to see your shorts, which kills the reach of that youtube short as the algorithm sees "ok, we presented it to a bunch of people and they didn't watch it, don't show it to anyone else". By not checking the box, he was getting suggested to new people every time, so his reach was huge.

Additionally he took advantage of timezones while streaming in his twitch category. The top row of slots in a twitch category are called kingmaker categories because they're the first streams suggested to people, people are too lazy to scroll for other streams, and they will often default to the what the biggest CCV is. He was analyzing when the top streamers in his category would stream and then changed his streaming time to be before they would start their streams.
 
You're mixing a bunch of different issues together. What does Napster or team sports or Disney fans have to do with the specific issue? Have people actually argued against preserving films because they stan movie studios?
They're part of a chain of events in the history of retards supporting and defending dumb shit, be it Metallica fans, Football Hooligans or Disney Adults. Just because they are "different" on the surface, doesn't mean or equate to them having nothing in common. And yes, people used to destroy films because it was cheaper to recycle the materials and the viewership at the time accepted it. As for my Disney remark, it's very simple, the sort of fantard who defends Disney will defend absolutely ANYTHING they do. You are arguing that one precise part about media preservation, as if I am unaware of it and that it has some sort of greater level of urgency, which is complete bullshit.
You can download and delete the personal info they have on you on social media sites because of EU laws.
And it's the reason/one of many primary reasons why we have a ton of problems involving European nations attempting to censor shit on the Internet. That edict applied a chilling effect on the individual's capacity to access and distribute information (as proven by their retarded efforts to bully websites into suppressing information that paints them in a negative light, similar to the UK's brand of Autism and hypocritically inept and often authoritarian efforts to maintain "civility" when shit breaks down due to general incompetence and the state's neurotic paranoia of the people they govern over), the EU is fucking moronic when it comes to these things. And they have a history of being retarded when it comes to these things. Name a Belgian politician who plays games that AREN'T on mobile and are not total shit. Or a German politician or lawyer who isn't (A) a person who detests games that have a little too much blood in them and (B) knows what the term "Central Server" means without having to fucking ask their clientele both what it is and how it works. I dare you.
I'm pretty sure you actually have Australian consumer law to thank for that one.
And as everyone knows, the ACCC (the abbreviated form of Australia's Consumer Rights Agency) are PISS WEAK, they're not viewed as a competent or reliable force majure Down Under. Especially after various scams operated in the Commonwealth unimpeded and with little improvement. There's a reason why The Chaser used to mock the living shit out of them.
 
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You have refunds on steam because of EU laws
You can download and delete the personal info they have on you on social media sites because of EU laws.
I believe they also did something to make lootboxes less shit, but I'm not sure.
The EU is a fucking cesspit in terms of free speech laws, but their consumer protection is literally the only positive force that we got. The USA doesn't protect stakeholders. It's also easy to trash the EU for this when the US literally bans boycotting the state of Israel if you work for the government.
 
You are arguing that one precise part about media preservation, as if I am unaware of it and that it has some sort of greater level of urgency, which is complete bullshit.
Because game preservation is the whole point of the campaign and my post was referring to the state of game preservation versus other media preservation and how different the attitudes of people enjoying other media are. How is asking for your (fairly long) reply to be relevant to my post implying urgency? I didn't mean to offend you by implying you weren't aware of it.
Anyway, maybe I'm being trolled, thanks for the examples of fanaticism. It's bad, I agree.
 
A few hours ago, Thor updated the pinned comment on his video about Stop Killing Games.
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This guy is so fucking salty right now that people are pushing back against his bullshit. He's even trying to run damage control on deleting comments and saying it was people saying hate speech and doxing.
 
A few hours ago, Thor updated the pinned comment on his video about Stop Killing Games.
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This guy is so fucking salty right now that people are pushing back against his bullshit. He's even trying to run damage control on deleting comments and saying it was people saying hate speech and doxing.
Wish me luck while I attempt to read this fucking epic of a cope post. Something something leftist memes.
 
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