The Nintendo Gamecube was far more popular and successful then the Playstation 2
Mama mia here we go again! This is by far one of the most dumb takes Harman has ever claimed. Let's review this trainwreck.
The first thing he said and I'm already dying inside, he claims "There is a lot of talk of X (who the hell calls Twitter X?) about the 'alleged failure of the gamecube'." This lot of talk is literally one person's tweet, and this is said tweet.
"People saying that the Star Wars prequels were beloved upon release, that the Gamecube was a financial success because "it had melee", that the PS3 failed because it had no games, shows that Youtube & social media have now been around long enough to rewrite entertainment history."
Now in fairness this is all pretty accurate whilst the Gamecube wasn't a 'flop' per say, it was the worst off in that specific generation of games, it sold a lot worse, in comparison to the PS2 which had over 160 games sell a million, gamecube had 36. It doesn't look good for our beloved purple lunchbox. And all of this is factual info you can get online. Will Harman go over any of it? Pfft what do you think?
Harman claims that you can't "Evalute the success of a produt based solely on sales." This is for the most part completely untrue. In business the thing that sells the most is clearly the most successful, yes you can argue that the quality of said most popular product wasn't good. You could argue stuff like Betamax was better then VHS. But VHS still won out in the long run, because it was the best selling. So automatically this point is moot, Success wise especially from a business prospective the PS2 WAS MORE SUCCESSFUL THEN THE GAMECUBE! Good to see Harman never understood business, but don't worry we will see more of that let me tell you know.
He also claims that people who talk about the rise and decline in sales are "insane and out of touch with reality." No my friend you are most defiently out of touch with reality, in business the one that sells the most wins. PS2 sold the most it won. Oh and for the record I had a Gamecube throughout this era, and I now owe all three. I love them all for different reasons.
"Selling the most doesn't mean it is more popular." Umm yeah it kind of does, why do you think people bought it? The PS2 had quite a few good things going for it. The bigger disc space, which gave developer more room for bigger games, the ability to be online, a huge libary of games, and the biggest kicker of all the backwards compatability so you can play PS1 games and use their memory cards too. So your libary of games is even bigger because you have both this gen and the next gens games too. Seems like a win win to me.
"When you compare the Gamecube to the PS2, it is obvious to see that the gamecube is still more relevant, it has much more successful follow-ups, it introduced a ton of new IP's to gaming." Ok let's go through this garbage dump of an argument. One how is the gamecube "more relevant" then the PS2? The only thing that I can think of is that the controller is still used in Smash Bros (shame Nintendo never made a decent controller since), and that a few GC games made it to switch, like MP1, PMTTYD (which Harman has bitched about several times), and Mario Sunshine through a scummy collection that was a limited run thing. Ok great Harman, but the PS2 actually has two remakes coming soon in Silent Hill 2 and MGS3. Funny you never mention that.
"It had more successful followups." Hmmm debatable, the Wii yes, it aimed well in the casual market, but wait if your logic about the PS2 is true, how come you don't have that attitude with the Wii, if anything I would say the Wii is way less relevant and has much less games to go back and play in this modern day. The Wii U bombed hard (I will go more into that too.) and the Switch yes it is. But let's not deny the PS3 or PS4 any credit, the PS4 is still the 5th best selling games console as of current time, and the PS3 isn't that far behind. Plus the PS4 outsold the Wii...sooooooo yeah.
"It introduced a lot of new IP's to gaming." The only ones that I can remember that lasted more then a single game, which weren't on previous consoles were Pikmin, and maybe Luigi's Mansion. Other ones like Viewtiful Joe were not exclusive to Nintendo and died in that gen."
Meanwhile the PS2 also created some well loved IPs, like Shadow of the Colossus which yeah only had a single game, but got rereleased and is considered a classic to this day. Rachett and Clank who only had a new game a few years back, Jak and Daxter, Sly Cooper, Kingdom Hearts, God of War and I'm sure more. But how convienent that you forgot all that too. That is what like two to six, looks like the PS2 did it again.
"It came down to two things, the PS2 was a DVD player, and they aimed it at normies." Ah yes this old fanboy chestnut. "But but it was used as a DVD player and not for games WAAAH!" This is just dumb, Sony ARE A MULTIMEDIA COMPANY! They will use anything to get an advantage and their DVD's were one of said products, the fact the PS2 was a DVD player and a home console made it a revolution for it's time, and made it more benefical in the long term for people. It didn't simply sell on being a DVD player or a games console but both, plus again, for the many millions of people who bought a PS1 the added extra of being able to play your PS1 games on this thing too, was a huge profit. And yeah the aiming at normies bs doesn't fly. Nintendo has always been the casual gamers company. The DS and Wii clearly showed that, even Grandma can play now thanks to wiggle waggle and pointy touchscreen. Granny ain't playing GTA with buzz buzz controller Harman.
He goes on about it being something everyone bought because everyone had one, and was used by people who didn't play video games, even claiming this is how he got one, because someone bought one who didn't know anything about video games, and saw everyone else bought one. Guess this is a trumatic experience as his parents probably bought him one, and he threw a temper tantrum over it. Also again DS and Wii were exactly that so your point is moot. Especially as previous fans of PS1 you know what, screw it I'm not repeating myself you know what I'm going to say.
"And what happened they sat around collecting dust." Oh got any proof of that, I doubt that was true, as DVD's were very big back then, so the PS2 was clearly not gathering dust, plus let's ignore the games like FFX, GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, MGS2 and 3, Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 etc. No they weren't collecting dust. "People had a lot of sports games on a shelf that they never played." How the hell would you know, and sports games were huge back then, so yeah they were 100% played on. But as we know Harman doesn't like sports, due to his failure in tennis, and how he will slag off any sports person.
"New games came out and were quickly forgotten." NO, WRONG just wrong.
"PS2 was not a relevant video game platform, even back then I noticed this. But everyone was playing Nintendo games or Xbox games." Well you do love to ignore reality, and bury your head in this sand like a flamingo (which would explain your weird spasms). Also I like to note he doesn't mention any Xbox games throughout this video, and just for the record whilst I was at school (in secondary school) people were playing PS or Xbox way more then Gamecube. I had maybe one other friend in my circle that had a gamecube the others had PS2's, and I had around a group of 8 close friends back then so yeah. I don't think that is true for some reason.
"The PS2 had a handful of RPG series that people loved like Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy, and that was it!" Hmm well how nice of you to acknolwdge KH and FF. But umm Harman hate to dissapoint you but that wasn't just it. Minus all the games I mentioned above like GOW, there was also MGS, GTA, Gran Turismo, Silent Hill, Rachett and Clank, Jak and Daxter, SOC, Sly Copper, Guitar Hero, Tekken, Dragon Quest, DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi, Yu-gi-oh Duelist of the Roses, Capsule Monsters, Ace Combat, Dynasty Warriors, Star Wars Battlefront, Devil May Cry, Max Payne, Onimusha, Project Zero (Fatal Frame to the American's), Twisted Metal etc etc.
"There were good games on PS2, but if you compare it to how excited people got for Super Smash Bros Melee, or Pikmin, or Luigi's Mansion, like the reality is clear, the gamecube was more popular as a gaming system." Hmm got to love he only mentions three launch games there don't you? Everyone was excited for the launch but not much else from this comment. Also let's do some quick number checks, SSBM sold 7.41 million, impressive and it was the GC best selling game. GTA San Andreas was the PS2's best selling game and it sold 17.33 million. That is nearly 10 million more then Smash. And the normies argument again doesn't work. GTA is an M rated game, young players can't play it, yet smash was a rated 12 where I was so more people could play it. Plus this was before gaming really took off, so yeah no that doesn't work. Also for the record 6 games on PS2 outsold smash, GTA SA, Gran Turismo 3 and 4, GTA Vice City, FFX and GTA 3, with MGS2 only just missing smash at 7.3 million. So guess that people were more excited for PS2 games.
He goes on to say the PS2 sales numbers were "Completely fake by the way." Ah yes this old doozy, the numbers are always fake. If you are Steam, Sony or Microsoft, or any other game company that isn't the big red N. Fun fact I wrote a comment on his video, quoting him saying that the numbers were fake, and went on to say they are all fake. You know Steam numbers including player counts. "Oh clearly bots." Xbox sales "what are you stupid!" Sony "Obviously fake." Nintendo sales."GODS AMONG US, TRUE MESSAIAHS NEVER LIE!" and you wonder why people call you a fanboy. Funnily enough I came back to the video and noticed he deleted the comment. I struck a nerve!
"Twilight Princess and Wind Waker were huge success stories" No shot Harman, it is almost like they are two games in the Zelda series, that always get huge praise and huge success, but also they came off the back of two very universally loved 3D Zelda games in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. OOT is considered to be one of the greatest videos game ever made, and WW and TP are made from that formula, so no shocks they were huge successes.
"Twilight had a highly successful release on Wii U." Umm that isn't really true, it got a rerelease sure, but highly successful? It was on the Wii U do I really have to explain that. "And now people are demanding a rerelease on the Switch." Yeah because many people especially younger gamers didn't get the chance to play the HD remaster on Switch, and a lot of the Wii U libaray came to switch. Plus if TP and WW came to switch, this would be the only Nintendo console to currently have all 3D Zelda's on it. So yeah no surprises there, if you use a bit of logic.
"Super Smash Bros Melee, kick started the quest for smash to be the most popular fighting game in the world." I had to shorten that for the umms and awkward break. No Harman, it didn't start a quest. Smash isn't considered by many fighting game fans and compeitive players as a real fighter. These are games like Tekken and Street Fighter which are still huge to this day and are older then Smash. Smash is popular, but it is a platformer fighter, not a 'real' fighting game. Also even if we ignore that, are we forgetting that Nintendo wants to kill competitive Smash? Especially with Melee. Guess that means nothing then.
"We had all these great games, err like Killer 7, Viewtiful Joe urr like Pikmin, Wave Race Blue Storm." Okay Harman you have complained about Wave Race Blue Storm before, claiming it was overrated and people who liked it are "Gamecube babies", so you can't use that in your argument, Pikmin is a medicore game at best, Viewtiful Joe isn't exclusive to GC sure it came out a year before, being a TIMED exclusive, but that doesn't add to any merit for the cube. As for Killer 7 sorry to burst your bubble, but Killer 7 came out on PS2 and Gamecube ON THE SAME DAY! So you can't use that either. He goes on about these games being so special and can't be taken away with people banging on about sales numbers. No one is denying those games have fans and followings, but to use a launch title, a game you call overrated, and two non exclusive to try and boost how great the cube is. Isn't helping your cause.
"The reality is people played on the Gamecube far more then the PS2." You ain't finding love in your reality there Harman. Because again I've already prove this is false from the number of games that sold more on PS2, to the amount of credit and praise they got, and how many more hit over the million benchmark then the Cube. You really got to love the fact he lives on planet zoo zoo.
He goes on about game journos claiming that the PS3 was going to stomp everything, and were shocked by the outcome. Yet shows no proof of this, and no I don't recall anyone saying the PS3 would dominate, as in anything trends swing back and forth. It isn't hard if you live in actual reality Harman. He also claims they were saying that they were talking about that Sony was going to make Nintendo go third party like Sega. No I don't recall that ever being said, and no proof again, I'm stunned, Oh but there were articles claiming that these bragging jourons were saying that the follow up to the gamecube wouldn't be successful...yeah you know what happened next no evidence to show this.
He also claimed the PS3 completely bombed. No it had a rough start, But it sold 87.4 million units and is the 8th best selling console of all time. Hardly a bomb Harman. "Wii dominated that console market and brought all walks of life to Nintendo." Oh you mean it sold the most and it was playing to the "normies" Harman? So when Nintendo does it, it is a success and popular but when Sony did it, it is all lies, failures and shilled. Yeah that makes sense, and you are shocked people call you a fanboy why?
He also complains that Sony threw out "Overpowered hardware" Oh I'm sorry, I guess we should all be playing Pong still, after all technology doesn't need to advance and keep up. Not according to the tech wizard Harman, the fat turd, that has never programmed anything in his life, coded anything in his life, or even read a single line of programming language, but clearly knows way more then people who do. Because he is a Nintendo fan, they clearly know what they are talking about. As a person who does computer science for a living, Harman wouldn't stand 3 seconds in that world, he wouldn't even be able to program a basic command, let alone a game, or understand the delicate procedure that goes into it. What a load!
"Nintendo releasing the Wii proved that Playstation and Xbox were doomed to failure." Yes hence the PS4 stomped all over and pissed on the Wii U's grave and outsold the Wii too. Plus hey guys correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Playstation and Xbox are still around. Aren't they? Guess they weren't doomed to failure then huh?
Nobody wanted to admit it, claiming that people weren't willing to say the Wii wasn't successful or popular, "The same thing they avoid to talk about with the PS2". The Wii was never claimed by anybody to be unsuccessful or popular, because it was and same goes for the PS2. It doesn't take a genius to see that Harman. No one was saying the Wii was a fluke, it came out with a novel idea at the right time, but most people now don't care for motion control games, and yet controller based games are more popular, so the PS2 structure is way more promient then the Wii. Go figure! He also claims that when the Wii U came out people were "Successful gaslighten into believe the Wii brand wasn't popular enough, wasn't viable, was going to lose relevance and wasn't going to be successful, and that lead to decline of the popularity of the Wii U." Jesus H Christ, no Harman, Nintendo killed the Wii U, many people the "normies" as you called them. Didn't know a Wii U was the next console, many thought it was just an expansion or a upgrade model of the Wii. No one was saying not to buy one, just many of the population didn't know about it. Only the Nintendo fans knew about it, and gaming was more mainstream at this point, and many gamers were getting older and wanted to play more things.
Also Nintendo did an awful job marketing the console, hence why most didn't realise it was a new console, and from my personal experience as a Wii U owner. I had the console from day 1 and I didn't get any new games after launch for nearly 3 years, because the Wii U had bugger all coming out for it. It was a disaster on all levels.
"The Wii U was so successful, that the Switch came out." PFFFFTTTT HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh was it? The Wii U is consider to be Nintendo greatest failure, or at least one of them, the Virtual Boy not withstanding of course. Remember what I said about San Andreas and how it sold 17 million copies, despite coming out in an era, where gaming was still mainly for geeks and nerds? Do you want to know how much the Wii U sold? 13.56 Million! THAT IS LESS then what San Andreas did in it's life. No Harman the Switch came out, due to the floundering failure of the Wii U, it had to be released 3 years eariler then the other two because the Wii U was struggling so much, that Nintendo couldn't keep it afloat. How can you be this blind and dumb not to realise this. The Dreamcast the console that killed Sega sold 9 million copies, only 4 million less then the Wii U, and that came out in a time where gaming wasn't mainstream. So yeah I think it is safe to say the Wii U flopped.
He then talks about the Directs, and how the Switch smashed sales expections because of the Directs and how they marketed it, prevent game journos from manipulation you on what you think about video game consoles. Ok first the directs were a thing in the Wii U era, and they didn't save that so bull. Plus ah yes because Nintendo were always going to be unbiased and say their products were superior and had no bias whatsoever. What even is this point? Of course Nintendo is going to say there console is the best, that is the point of marketing, they aren't going to turn around and say. "Our console is very nice and you can take it on the go, but guys to be honest, it is a weak piece of garbage that can barely run the games we make on it, and for a better portable experience, pick up the steam deck, it has way more games on it then we will ever have, and can run them better." Now are they?
He then goes on about how it is no longer taboo to talk about how much you like Nintendo products. Because back then if you said it, you get people going that Game Informer (The alleged anti Nintendo mag that gave TP a perfect score, never spoke about Fire Emblem despite giving every post Awakening game a 9 or higher, and never spoke about Sin and Punishment, yet gave Successor of the Skies an 8.5) was selling the least out of the three consoles, which back in the PS2 era was indeed correct and in the Wii U era was also correct. So what is your point?
"Ok so how was that meant to impact my personal enjoyment of the gamecube. No one was able to answer that simple question." Yes they probably did, but let me explain it to you Harman. It doesn't! One because you are a drone and just suck Nintendo off, two you don't actually seem to like the Gamecube, as you have bitched about several titles, like Luigi's Mansion, Wave Race Blue Storm, Paper Mario TTYD and F-Zero GX and three stating the fact the Gamecube sold the least doesn't affect a person enjoyment, but it is the solid fact that the Gamecube wasn't as popular or successful as the Xbox or PS2. You are not everyone, just because you claim something is true, isn't the full story. It is your OPINION! NOT A FACT!
"How does Nintendo selling more or less then the competition, stops them being better then the competition." Selling less means it clearly isn't hitting the intrest of the massess, you may be wide Harman, but you aren't the masses when it comes to gamers. If Nintendo's console is selling less, it probably means they are doing worse then the competition. And if they sell more that means they did something to appeal to the masses more. It isn't brain surgery.
"People religously believe the next console will be a massive failure, when in reality it simply isn't possible at this point." Well butter my toast how much denial are you in? First things first, no people aren't "religously" believing the next console will fail. They are concerned about the scenario of which this can happen. And yes Harman it can happen, the Wii U proved it with the Wii. If Nintendo doesn't take on board the critism that the Switch has gotten, and market it just as badly as the Wii U the console could flop. It may not sell as well, either way due to the success of the Switch. These are factors you must take in the branding isn't simply enough to save it, people want a console that is strong and be able to play good games on, cut the gimmick bs and focus on the peformance and the games in general. If Nintendo doesn't do that and we get more games dropping below 30fps and bugging out like Scarlet and Violet, people will turn away from Nintendo simple as.
"People love the characters, love the games, they will play it no matter what." I love the characters, and some of the games. I'm not a big Kirby fan, or Metroid fan so I rarely play them, I also hate Pokemon in it's current state and I didn't play Scarlet and Violet in fact I've not picked up a Pokemon game since Arceus because the Switch has had easily the worst Pokemon games to date. I mainly stick with Nintendo for Zelda and Fire Emblem that's it. Starfox is dead which is shame I love that series, F-Zero is dead and no battle royale bs is going to change my mind it isn't. Mario is fine, but I prefer 3D Mario. I'm a person I don't play anything no matter what, I've currently picked up 2 games this year for Switch, Another Code Recollection and PMTTYD. Because they are the only 2 games that appeal to me, I will pick up Zelda and Mario Party as well. But that is 4 games, the other games I like are multiplat, being Alone in the Dark, Persona 3 Reload, Clock Tower Rewind, Corpse Party 2 Darkness Distoration, FF7 Rebirth (okay that is a PS5 exclusive at the minute.) Helldivers 2 etc. All of those games minus CTR and CP2 are not on Switch. And I guarntee I'm not picking up endless ocean or Princess Peach Showtime, or Luigi's ripoff 2. And many people are showing that too, with many games on the switch this year having low sales. So I don't think people are playing it no matter what either.
"Especially after the Wii U, Nintendo is going to put out high quality hardware and software no matter what." No matter what, let the games begin! NO MATTER WHAT LET THE BEST MAN WIN! Oh sorry got carried away there. No Harman Nintendo hasn't made high quality hardware, the Wii U bombed and the Switch is so weak and cheaply made you have drifting controllers, and a processor so weak more mobile phones are stronger then it. As for software, some are high quality, but lazy remasters for overpriced prices are no "high quality." Buggy broken messes like Pokemon Scarlet and Violet are not "high quality" either. Boring poorly excuted games like Princess Peach Showtime are not "high quality." None of the Mario Sports games have been "high quality" either. Does the name Mario Tennis Ultra Smash mean anything to you Harman?
Wah wah narrative against failing. Despite their never was a narrative against Nintendo, and nothing people can do will make a new PS2. He goes on about "VR not being able to do it." Yeah no shot it is an expansion on games and we have barely scratched the surface on VR. "Iphone couldn't do it." Almost like a phone is meant to be a phone and not a games console Harman. "Gaming PC can't do it." Yeah that is bull as PC gaming is the most played version of games, with other a billion users, and PC are more versatilie and do more things then any console can. It isn't there to just play games, it is for work, web browsing, you can shop on it, you can do your taxes on it, you can play games on it, you can edit videos on it (TAKE THE FREAKING HINT). You can't do that on a console Harman especially the Switch.
"There will always be a place in people's homes for a Nintendo console." Sure because Nintendo refuses to let their games be on anything else, so anyone who wants them has to pay for their consoles and get suckered in to buying overpriced remasters. Because Nintendo refuses to preserve their games. But guess what a PC can do? Emulate all your classic Nintendo games, and before too long people will find a way to emulate the next console too, and the one after that, and the one after that for enterity. Womp Womp.
Wow sorry that was so long, I can't believe I went through that, plus I can't believe 15 people liked the video, there really are a bunch of brain dead people out there for sure.
