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[Justsomecicada]

I really don’t understand why Gen X like Elon and Millennials like Vance saw Obama as the messiah. It seems like the most effective propaganda campaign in history to frame an inexperienced, geeky black guy who as someone carrying history on their shoulders and is so inspiring.

Fucking Null still thinks that Obama wasn’t a fucking standard black Chicago politician who talks a big game while knifing their constituents in the back and being as divisive as possible.

This 100% he was entirely a creature of the Chicago dem political machine.

 

[Justsomecicada]

Plus things like Williams Ayers being Obama's political mentor was covered up by the mainstream press as they metaphorically blew him.

Yeah it’s not that he didn’t have baggage, he was a machine politician they all have baggage, it was just memory holed

Sorry for double posting

 

[Allanon]

I know, I was more pointing out that at least you have a better system of picking your leader so an independent-type can win. Although the huge vote for Reform in the UK is showing people are waking up. Ours is basically a 2 party system too. The last time the Liberals won was in 1906. The 2010 coalition doesn't count. Conservatives won the election but didn't have quite enough seats to form a government (they had 306 seats and needed 326 as you need over half of the 650 seats contested) so the Liberals, who were a distant 3rd (57 seats) well behind Labour (258 seats), agreed to a coalition so that there were enough seats to form the government.

Unlike the USA we don't get to pick the leaders of the parties just before the general election. There are leadership elections in parties when the party wants them via a vote of no confidence (except Labour, there can only be leadership challenges) or if a leader steps down and you can't just have anybody running as a candidate for the leader of a party (or at least not the big 3) like you can in the USA, the candidate must be a member of the party who is an MP ("member of parliament", an elected politician) and the other MPs in the party (and also trade unions in Labour's case) select a group of candidates the party members can vote for. In order to vote for a candidate to be a leader of a party you have to be a fully paid-up member of that party, not just registered to vote for them as we don't have party affiliation on voter registrations.

Well, you do have the problem that the UK democracy was fundamentally built on a classist society, with the whole...house of lords and whatnot. I can't imagine society and elections can be as free when it wasn't built from the ground up with the idea that the serfs should be the rulers.

Honestly I’m skeptical. Adults make up 65% of the world’s 8 billion population, or around 5 billion people. So, one billion views would imply that it was watched by 1 in 5 adults in the entire world.

I suppose it’s possible that it racked up a billion views based on whatever internal metrics Twitter uses to count “views”, e.g. someone tuning out and tuning back in counts as multiple “views”. I just sincerely doubt it was watched by 1 billion individuals.

You are for some reason assuming that most of that billion were adults.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

In my opinion, it was very much a "time and place" thing.

People seem to forget that the Hilary was supposed to be the candidate in 2008, but Obama came out of seemingly nowhere to completely sweep her aside. Obama was a Senator for only two years prior to his run for President and had practically no national recognition aside from that. I don't even think the DNC was banking on someone like him running and succeeding the way he did, and the enthusiasm and momentum he built up during the primaries carried through and helped him in the general election.

The Democrats lucked into Obama because as unpopular as Bush was at the end of his presidency and however much that rubbed off on Republicans in general, I'm not sure that things would have turned out any differently for Clinton in 2008 than they did in 2016.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

People seem to forget that the Hilary was supposed to be the candidate in 2008, but Obama came out of seemingly nowhere to completely sweep her aside.

Excellent point, thank you for reminding me. Hillary was, indeed, the "chosen" one by the DNC and Obama came onto the scene like a bat out of hell. That's why she got her ducks in a row for 2016, when the DNC rigged the primary for her: Hillary Clinton did not want to lose.

Fat lotta good it did though, lol.

 

[Sithis]

I really don’t understand why Gen X like Elon and Millennials like Vance saw Obama as the messiah. It seems like the most effective propaganda campaign in history to frame an inexperienced, geeky black guy who as someone carrying history on their shoulders and is so inspiring.

Fucking Null still thinks that Obama wasn’t a fucking standard black Chicago politician who talks a big game while knifing their constituents in the back and being as divisive as possible.

The hype surrounding Obama provided my first real evidence that people within my age cohort were not suitable to make important political decisions at the time. I knew so many people who were new to voting during his first election term, who had previously expressed sensible views on government fuckery and the need for balanced leadership, who threw all that out the window to bark HOPE AND CHANGEEE like dipshits.

I have a special contempt in my heart for these people. These reflect a class of people who had the very rare ability to witness deep state government conspiracies unfold and be exposed as they themselves grew, and still decided to choose the Matrix, that comfortable ignorance. To use the gay movie analogy it's like an entire generation of people who saw the code and decided to stay plugged in. One of my family members who I was best pals with for years went down the Obama path and still espouses retarded shitlib talking points which is why he is no longer even informed when we do a family function.

Obama's entire platform rested upon promising younger generations the moon and then counting on them being too retarded to call him on it when he handed them moldy cheese, anyone who still thinks he was anything other than a destructive catalyst for the decline of America is a fucking retard.

 

[Jade Philosophies]

I really don’t understand why Gen X like Elon and Millennials like Vance saw Obama as the messiah. It seems like the most effective propaganda campaign in history to frame an inexperienced, geeky black guy who as someone carrying history on their shoulders and is so inspiring.

Fucking Null still thinks that Obama wasn’t a fucking standard black Chicago politician who talks a big game while knifing their constituents in the back and being as divisive as possible.

Remember that loads of people were wearing "OBEY" clothing and there were "OBEY" stickers and posters everywhere prior to and after Obama's election? OBEY was created by Shepard Fairey who also created Obama's "HOPE" poster for his election campaign. Here's something else interesting about Shepard Fairey, in 2006 he joined Project 2050 as founding Creative Director. What's Project 2050? Well here is their original website from 2006:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060130204544/http://p2050.com/

WHAT IS PROJECT 2050? Project 2050 is a lifestyle marketing and consulting firm that brings brands closer to the influential, trend setting, and urban skewing markets. Project 2050 presents a futuristic marketing approach reflecting the fact that in the year 2050, ethnic groups will exceed 50% of the U.S. population, thus becoming the new mainstream. Already, this is occurring in major metropolitan cities across the U.S creating a new, diverse self-defining generation of young people averse to staid traditional advertising noise and muted communication messages. HOW DOES PROJECT 2050 WORK? Project 2050 offers a unique non-traditional approach to reach this new generation based on a unique approach: the ability to S.E.E.™ (Seduce, Engage, Entertain) the market. In short, today’s generation does not want to be marketed to -- they want to be entertained. Project 2050 offers the following marketing services: - Brand Consulting - Research - Creative Services - Branded Content - Product R&D - Public Relations - Grassroots Marketing WHO IS PROJECT 2050? Project 2050 is a collaboration between cultural influencers and lifestyle experts Phil Colón, Christopher White, Matt Pressman, and Shepard Fairey. Phil Colón, Project 2050 CEO, founded Latino advertising agency Ruido Group in 2000, was President of Urban Latino Magazine, and a Senior Brand Manager at Coca Cola North America for Trademarked Brands. In addition, Phil and actress Rosario Dawson co-founded “Voto Latino” a non-profit organization geared to motivating Latino youth to get more involved in the political process. Christopher White, President, previously served as VP/Publisher of The Source Magazine after leaving Uniworld Group Advertising Agency. Managing Director Matt Pressman was Associate Publisher of Vibe Magazine and Vice President of lifestyle marketing shop Cornerstone Promotion.​

Here is the manifesto from their current website:
https://web.archive.org/web/2024070...content/uploads/2023/01/Project2050_FINAL.pdf
Excerpt:

We live in tumultuous times. An energized mass base for authoritarian rule has gained a degree of political traction unimaginable just five years ago. Trump’s 2020 loss, rather than slowing its momentum, engendered an insurrectionary assault on the nation’s capital and a vengeful political backlash that replicates in town halls, school board meetings, and state legislatures across the country. The Supreme Court majority has made clear its determination to trap us all in a back-to-the-wayback, patriarchal time machine. A still-urgent public health crisis continues to expose a multitude of structural failures and inequities while also contributing to stark political polarization. Racist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and sociopathic violence captures the headlines, and then recedes from public consciousness until the next horrific incident. A world order already shaken by pandemic, climate disasters, and the global ascension to power of far too many far-right leaders is further destabilized by Russian aggression in Ukraine and the suddenly imaginable prospect of a wider war in Europe and a nuclear unraveling.

 

[Bakarina]

I really don’t understand why Gen X like Elon and Millennials like Vance saw Obama as the messiah. It seems like the most effective propaganda campaign in history to frame an inexperienced, geeky black guy who as someone carrying history on their shoulders and is so inspiring.

Fucking Null still thinks that Obama wasn’t a fucking standard black Chicago politician who talks a big game while knifing their constituents in the back and being as divisive as possible.

I knew the kind of president Obummer was going to be when he said that he was going to "fundamentally change the foundation of [this] nation". McCain was on the R ticket and I hope that ol' Songbird is rotting in hell.

 

[Nuns with guns]

I fucking hate journos. Fact-checking yesterday's claims.

"Umm actually, you're only paying 20% more and the IRS is up your ass so illegals and niggers receive thousands, but this is only the worst inflation we've had in 50 years!"

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[TheRaptorJesus]

There was also the fact that Obama branded himself very effectively as a new kind of leader and lacked the baggage to prove he was full of shit.

He had plenty of baggage because he refused to take a stance, he was a lazy nigger and never voted for anything as a senator. He was installed just as biden was.

 

[derpi]

Periodic reminder that the left is not mentally well:

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This kinda shit is why I hear fellow bitches complaining that men are afraid to call them pretty anymore.
Vance seems like a gentlemanly fellow, this cunt sounds bitter af.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

Plus, he was black, well dressed and spoken

Of course, all that was bullshit and tea party rose out of Obama incompetence.

. Then comes this young, black, well-spoken dude promising to undo all the fuck-ups of Bush - and there were a lot of them. Obama also had incredible social media engagement

>well-spoken

I’ve never understood this. Obama is not a good speaker, he sounds fucking terrible and does that retarded shit of trying to sound smart by taking 20 minutes to explain a 5 minute idea or just talking in vague platitudes.

 

[Dimension Sniper]

>well-spoken

I’ve never understood this. Obama is not a good speaker, he sounds fucking terrible and does that retarded shit of trying to sound smart by taking 20 minutes to explain a 5 minute idea or just talking in vague platitudes.

 

[Prester John]

People seem to forget that the Hilary was supposed to be the candidate in 2008, but Obama came out of seemingly nowhere to completely sweep her aside. Obama was a Senator for only two years prior to his run for President and had practically no national recognition aside from that. I don't even think the DNC was banking on someone like him running and succeeding the way he did, and the enthusiasm and momentum he built up during the primaries carried through and helped him in the general election.

The Democrats lucked into Obama because as unpopular as Bush was at the end of his presidency and however much that rubbed off on Republicans in general, I'm not sure that things would have turned out any differently for Clinton in 2008 than they did in 2016.

Obama gave the keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 that some were praising as the greatest speech since the Gettysburg Address. They were definitely grooming him to be the future of the party.

The DNC was divided; half were Clinton loyalists but half were all-in for Obama. People congratulated themselves for supporting the black man to prove they weren't racist (I'm sure glad Obama ended racism). Obama gave them warm tinglies to feel good about themselves. David Brooks called it a thrill up his leg.

The Jeremiah Wright scandal was a mask-off moment for those willing to listen, but most chose to forget about it because Obama made them feel so good about themselves.

 

[big pauper]

Well, there were a few reasons.

Gen X never experienced an effective liberal president before. Jimmy Carter stunk on ice and Bill Clinton was more of a moderate. Their presidents, really, were Nixon (R), Ford (R), Carter (D), Reagan (R), Big Bush (R), Clinton (D), and then Little Bush (R). That's a lot of Republicans. Obama was very fresh and said the things that Gen X wanted to hear.

Millennials grew up with the tail-end of Clinton, followed by 8 years of GW Bush which weren't that great. Then comes this young, black, well-spoken dude promising to undo all the fuck-ups of Bush - and there were a lot of them. Obama also had incredible social media engagement and his get out the vote efforts for first-time voters was likewise extremely effective. Obama knew how to win elections.

In my opinion, it was very much a "time and place" thing.

Don't forget that obama probably had one of the worst turns of public support in his presidency since probably nixon, there were obama signs in my midwestern high school, people were fucking hype about obama. but by the time i was in college they had started multiple wars in the middle east and had tons of scandals and even the hyper liberal college professors couldn't brook him anymore. obama really only seemed to win the 2012 election because the republicans got cocky, thought they had it in the bag, and ran an unlikeable chump

 

[Bland Crumbs]

Well, there were a few reasons.

Gen X never experienced an effective liberal president before. Jimmy Carter stunk on ice and Bill Clinton was more of a moderate. Their presidents, really, were Nixon (R), Ford (R), Carter (D), Reagan (R), Big Bush (R), Clinton (D), and then Little Bush (R). That's a lot of Republicans. Obama was very fresh and said the things that Gen X wanted to hear.

Millennials grew up with the tail-end of Clinton, followed by 8 years of GW Bush which weren't that great. Then comes this young, black, well-spoken dude promising to undo all the fuck-ups of Bush - and there were a lot of them. Obama also had incredible social media engagement and his get out the vote efforts for first-time voters was likewise extremely effective. Obama knew how to win elections.

In my opinion, it was very much a "time and place" thing.

The Bush years definitely had problems but little of the economic crap was actually Bush's fault. In fact Bush's tax cuts(few remember those) created economic growth for several straight years. Of course those were mixed in with clown shows like No Child Left Behind(worked about as well as the Inflation Reduction Act)

I would consider The Patriot Act and trillions spent on various police actions far worse. When you pile the loss of manpower caused by those conflicts the price is even more severe.

The crash itself was not majority Bush's fault. It was Clinton's fault and Cuomo's fault(yeah the same Cuomo that murdered tens of thousands of people and used slave labor to make hand sanitizer). NAFTA combined with the repeal of tax breaks for Puerto Rico and the inflation of the subprime bubble can all be laid at Clinton's and Cuomo's feet. Of course had banks not been so willing to abuse that bubble the damage would have been less so they get some blame as well.

Oh then the Fed showed up with a pin in the form of a rate hike and boom!

The only reason Clinton is remembered with anything other than scorn is media spin and the fact that the tech sector was an ATM at the time.

His legacy is failed policy and a loud mouth psychopath that will not go away.

Oh and I have made pretty clear how much I loathe the Bush family but I will close by saying this is in no way a defense of him.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

More in regards to the BP oil spill being “one thousand 9/11’s”. Obama said a lot more retarded shit than Bush, but American’s decided that because he was Black Bush they’d allow it.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I understand the philosophy, "I just want to be left alone and grill, man. You do you." The problem with that mentality as we have seen, though, is that these people won't leave you alone.

The problem is that step two to step one is too big a jump.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

People seem to forget that the Hilary was supposed to be the candidate in 2008, but Obama came out of seemingly nowhere to completely sweep her aside. Obama was a Senator for only two years prior to his run for President and had practically no national recognition aside from that. I don't even think the DNC was banking on someone like him running and succeeding the way he did, and the enthusiasm and momentum he built up during the primaries carried through and helped him in the general election.

The Democrats lucked into Obama because as unpopular as Bush was at the end of his presidency and however much that rubbed off on Republicans in general, I'm not sure that things would have turned out any differently for Clinton in 2008 than they did in 2016.

Obama was set up at the 2004 DNC. The Progressive faction had already chosen him as their darling.

 

[John Badman]

Why on earth would Pelosi say this?

Too many vodka martinis before noon.