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[Humble Architect]

@Mayor Cody Travers I like Diana as the voice of reason/team mom role, she’s older than most of the League, Clark may be beyond even gods in power, but he is young by the cosmic standards, Bruce is a very flawed man whose ego outweighs his limits at times, Hal is hotshot cop with arrested development, Barry is impulsive and Arthur is torn between two worlds, moreso that the rest of them.

She should be Compassion to Clark’s Hope and Bruce’s Justice (he’s not vengeance, if he were he’d be the Punisher)

Her best depiction was in The Supergirl from Krypton, where she called Clark a fool for his blind optimism, but she’s wasn’t malicious or demeaning and when the situation revealed itself, the three showed why they’re the Trinity.

Then at the end, she tells Kara she’s always welcome at Themyscira, Clark and Kara fly off, Batman snarks and Wondy elbows him with a grin.

She shouldn’t be bloodthirsty (unless it’s KC cause it made sense in-context), she shouldn’t be sexist, high and mighty or anywhere near Superman’s strength or Bruce’s intellect. She’s not the World’s Finest, she’s the one who says “reign it in” and that’s all she needs to be.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Bruce Timm's new Batman series is okay, but my god Timm really needs to stop lying or he's talking out of his ass

First denying he's an avid Batman x Batgirl shipper and now saying he lacks good villains



Just admit you wanted to genderflip Penguin because you drew her with one hand like you always do with the female designs, Timm. It's better than saying this nonsense.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

From what I recall, Artemis was the most popular character in the YJ cartoon besides maybe Dick. Definitely considered the best female character in the series overall. The series completely reinvented her from some D-list Arrow/Hawk villain into a major cast member with a load of character depth/progression. The main issue with her is the comics didn't use her afterwards, only placing her in the comics to die within one issue.

Ms. Martian is usually labeled as the least popular of the main group, even if she is clearly the writer's pet. The constant horrible deeds, then series acting as if she is innocent, really ticks fans off..

I mean they took Arrowette's role and melded in components of others to form Artemis. Wish they used her more but Ollie's supporting cast suffered in the 2010s.

Ms. Martian would have succeeded if they didn't go into the whole "inhuman so prone to doing horrible things innocently" thing that one can do.

Whatever kind of adventures Wondy's written in - I have my own ideas but she can do a lot of different ones to her credit - I think the key is to figure out her baseline personality. This is especially important in the context of fellow JL founding members to contrast against.

And IMO, she should, as a demigoddess? Be the serene, nigh-unflappable one.

Like, Batman's "stoic" and you can stretch that from '66 humor to TDKR grit as need be, but they both share that baseline stoicism! Hal Jordan's consistently portrayed as a klutzy jock, Aquaman since Brave and the Bold is a boisterous bruiser (and is fantastic at it), Barry Allen is nowadays portrayed as an amicable nerd (and to contrast against the "classic" speedster persona Wally West has and created). And thankfully, people are slowly realizing Superman SHOULD have a personality and more and more, it feels like they're deciding he should be the ultimate cocksure but friendly bro-tier dude. I hate to reference All-Might in this case but that sheer unflappable confidence and friendliness he has, that turns into "pissed off at evil's shit" when the gauntlet is thrown down, is exactly what Superman should be. Supes started the Age of Heroes both in DC AND real life, and did so with that very personality.

Thus to reflect her seeming perfection against mere mortals and contrast against fellow Leaguers... Diana should seemingly be ever-calm and soothing. Of course she won't be that 24/7, that's boring! But she should have a sort-of "seen it all" or "unimpressed/unintimidated" viewpoint at regular supervillain or cosmic threat alike. She's supposed to be all-loving, and a serene persona lets that shine through - indeed, I can see her being rather more witty in lighter moments, saying something subtle or funny and only giving a small smile and eyebrow cock once the recipient gets it. Conversely, even her more hotblooded moments should see her still seemingly in total control of her emotions. "Serene" doesn't quite make sense if you know how Greek gods really were, but as she's a modern American creation? Fuck, she not only gets a pass she can explicitly contrast against them if you wanna bring them in for a story arc.

This plays into her fighting style. Ditch the goddamn sword and shield forever and return the Lasso of Truth as her main weapon. Diana should be whipping that thing around like crazy and being acrobatic with it in a larger than life manner. Visually and action-wise, it would make her genuinely distinctive like Cap is with his shield or Spidey with his web-slinging acrobatics, a much-needed "wholly her own" aspect. It would also buttress that she's a warrior, perhaps indeed THE skilled fighter of the League if everyone was 1:1 in strength - since Batman is the smart one and Supes the strong one, let Wondy be THE warrior. Yet like Cap, she's using a weapon that isn't explicitly meant to kill but meant to restrain and force a cool-down the way Cap's shield is technically meant to defend.

Basic Blond Boy is right that WW's been mismanaged since... well, her creator's death as he said. IMO a large part of it is a lack of definitive personality for her as much as iconic story arcs. Superman suffered a ton of the same when he lost not just a lot of his continuity Post-Crisis but also became too much SuperDad in personality, and thus, boring. Meanwhile, Batman kept his baseline persona even during the Post-Crisis upheaval and such a strong identifiable persona helped him claw his way to the top of comics sales outside endless Bat-media adaptions.

I think Diana's sword and shield should only be pulled out against monsters or gigantic threats. Otherwise, the lasso's fun and iconic. She's used other weapons before but we need to stick to the lasso.

I feel like she should be serene, but be the serene one that's akin to the whole "Buddha only forgives thrice" shit in which she won't take shit from monsters or villains.

Also have her be the one to be the point man against mythical threats. It's DC, the place is loaded with this shit. Have Diana pop up trying to redeem lost myth-related figures while thrashing beasts and villains.

tactical kung fu rope hand mode

I think she's done this before.

@Mayor Cody Travers I like Diana as the voice of reason/team mom role, she’s older than most of the League, Clark may be beyond even gods in power, but he is young by the cosmic standards, Bruce is a very flawed man whose ego outweighs his limits at times, Hal is hotshot cop with arrested development, Barry is impulsive and Arthur is torn between two worlds, moreso that the rest of them.

She should be Compassion to Clark’s Hope and Bruce’s Justice (he’s not vengeance, if he were he’d be the Punisher)

Her best depiction was in The Supergirl from Krypton, where she called Clark a fool for his blind optimism, but she’s wasn’t malicious or demeaning and when the situation revealed itself, the three showed why they’re the Trinity.

Then at the end, she tells Kara she’s always welcome at Themyscira, Clark and Kara fly off, Batman snarks and Wondy elbows him with a grin.

She shouldn’t be bloodthirsty (unless it’s KC cause it made sense in-context), she shouldn’t be sexist, high and mighty or anywhere near Superman’s strength or Bruce’s intellect. She’s not the World’s Finest, she’s the one who says “reign it in” and that’s all she needs to be.

The only one of the founders that may be close to Diana in age might be J'onn.

I'd also say that she shouldn't have the raw power or IQ of the other two, but have the ability to punch way above her weight class and outthink way above her IQ with her resources in a way that's unexpected. Like, the Lasso having divine lightning that she rarely uses.

Bruce Timm's new Batman series is okay, but my god Timm really needs to stop lying or he's talking out of his ass

First denying he's an avid Batman x Batgirl shipper and now saying he lacks good villains

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Just admit you wanted to genderflip Penguin because you drew her with one hand like you always do with the female designs, Timm. It's better than saying this nonsense.

Timm and Null liking fat women eh?

oh he's talking abt female villains. He's not too wrong. He's missing Talia al Ghul from the list and that's about it. Maybe Lady Shiva counts as potentially good but she's more of a Batgirl/Robin one.

That's about 5 altogether. I feel like Bats has a long list of fodder female supervillains that just never go anywhere. Personally, I think a female Two-Face would have worked if they really tried it.

But aside from the 5 listed above, the other female bat-villains are like. . . Orca and Magpie and a billion elevated henchmen like Riddler's 2 henchwomen or Joker's various girl sidekicks or some such. I think we could certainly use a cerebral female villain for him. Maybe Roulette could work?

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Timm and Null liking fat women eh?

Didn't Timm reveal that he liked inflation fetish porn back in 2015 16? I also vaguely remember a comic run from Timm which was all about batgirl or batwoman getting pregnant. He likes that shit

 

[Eventide]

The extremely limited animation in Caped Crusader is really, really jarring and makes for a rough watch.

...I was under the impression it was animated on the cheap using AI? The proportions seem glitchy/watching action scenes give me that uncanny valley feeling I get from bad AI choreography.

Shame they didn't put more effort into the show.

 

[Overly Serious]

Don't remind me. Loved those first two, then they brought it back. What they did to my Outsiders man.

Even that wasn't as bad as the non-binary Muslim woman with power of the week, an immortal Space god and yet somehow still ended up believing Islam - a religion that sprung up on a primitive world an eyeblink ago from her perspective - is the one true religion. This was someone from New Genesis. She was also a lesbian but hey - we know she's a Muslim because she wears a hijab and talks about her faith.

Clueless.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Even that wasn't as bad as the non-binary Muslim woman with power of the week, an immortal Space god and yet somehow still ended up believing Islam - a religion that sprung up on a primitive world an eyeblink ago from her perspective - is the one true religion. This was someone from New Genesis. She was also a lesbian but hey - we know she's a Muslim because she wears a hijab and talks about her faith.

Clueless.

I could buy Halo taking over a Muslims' body. I can't buy her being religious because of the nature of what she is.

 

[Calandrino]

Just admit you wanted to genderflip Penguin because you drew her with one hand like you always do with the female designs, Timm. It's better than saying this nonsense

I think Timm's on record complaining that the Penguin is hard to do much with, and I don't think he's alone.

Even that wasn't as bad as the non-binary Muslim woman with power of the week, an immortal Space god and yet somehow still ended up believing Islam - a religion that sprung up on a primitive world an eyeblink ago from her perspective - is the one true religion. This was someone from New Genesis. She was also a lesbian but hey - we know she's a Muslim because she wears a hijab and talks about her faith.

Clueless.

She was my favorite part of the show, because she kept dying. I hope somebody had made a supercut of all her deaths so I can watch it on a loop.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I think Timm's on record complaining that the Penguin is hard to do much with, and I don't think he's alone.


She was my favorite part of the show, because she kept dying. I hope somebody had made a supercut of all her deaths so I can watch it on a loop.

yeah i think penguin's been milked pretty well in the comics.

the only way to go further would be to maybe give him a tragic romance? or maybe try the '90s penguin from the films where he's kinda inhuman.

 

[MoffAlbert]

yeah i think penguin's been milked pretty well in the comics.

the only way to go further would be to maybe give him a tragic romance? or maybe try the '90s penguin from the films where he's kinda inhuman.

They kinda did the romance angle in an episode of BtAS. Some woman was using him as a way to draw publicity to herself. Pretty good episode, imo. I remember it being one of the very few times I felt sorry for the Penguin.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

They kinda did the romance angle in an episode of BtAS. Some woman was using him as a way to draw publicity to herself. Pretty good episode, imo. I remember it being one of the very few times I felt sorry for the Penguin.

I think it'd be pretty interesting but Penguin's usual schtick is being a very clever planner and crime boss who happened to be more involved in conventional supervillainy gimmicks in the early-mid part of the DCU's sliding timeline.

 

[Cassius Crayfish]

Whatever kind of adventures Wondy's written in - I have my own ideas but she can do a lot of different ones to her credit - I think the key is to figure out her baseline personality. This is especially important in the context of fellow JL founding members to contrast against.

While I don't totally agree with your suggestion on what her personaity should be (if Batman is the brains and Superman is the brawn, then I'd say WW should be the heart, not 'the warrior'), I agree that the problem with WW is that writers have completely different ideas about her personality.

Sure, other big names have a range of ways they are written, but as you say at least they tend to have something in common with each other. WW gets completely rewritten every time someone new takes over. It's ridiculous.

Someone pointed out the DCAU didn't do a great job with her, which is true in the sense that her story is quite limited - the episodes that focus on her tend towards the less interesting - BUT the kinds of stories they wrote for her make sense when you consider that she is actually quite young and naive compared to her comics counterpart. She's trying to figure out who she's meant to be, something that Batman and Superman have already had their own shows to figure out, and even then they still get as much development as she does in JL/JLU. She's able to bounce off other members of the League quite well, so it was a good choice to characterise her like that. She likes to think the best of people like Flash, but not in the same way. She's a warrior woman like Hawkgirl, but not in the same way. And so on.

But perhaps she is forever doomed to have multiple personality disorder because of how she plays off the rest of the Justice League. In the comics she is usually the only woman among the founders, which means writers may feel she needs to embody all women everywhere, an impossible task. Furthermore, she's usually quite experienced in the ways of the world in comics continuity, which means we have no reason to see her 'grow up' unlike Batman and Superman, whose stories begin when they are young. That makes her character harder to work with, because her personality should be set in stone when she arrives on the scene - but the writers aren't sure what she's meant to be!

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

@Mayor Cody Travers the weird thing about Wonder Woman, is I have a very 180 take on the character from what you posted. I am sure more seasoned comic veterans can correct me, but I always thought of WW as more-or-less a hyper idealist with a child's view of how the world works. I think the WW movie did her pretty well in this regard.

And IMO, she should, as a demigoddess? Be the serene, nigh-unflappable one.

Highly disagree, a big part of WW is how absolutely disconnected she is from the real world. She grew up on an isolated island of all women where the history of such reads like a Feminist Disney fairy-tale. Till Steve drops on that island, WW has never actually experienced the world around her, has not seen technology advance, hasn't even come into contact with the opposite sex.

Thus to reflect her seeming perfection against mere mortals and contrast against fellow Leaguers... Diana should seemingly be ever-calm and soothing. Of course she won't be that 24/7, that's boring! But she should have a sort-of "seen it all" or "unimpressed/unintimidated" viewpoint at regular supervillain or cosmic threat alike. She's supposed to be all-loving, and a serene persona lets that shine through - indeed, I can see her being rather more witty in lighter moments, saying something subtle or funny and only giving a small smile and eyebrow cock once the recipient gets it. Conversely, even her more hotblooded moments should see her still seemingly in total control of her emotions. "Serene" doesn't quite make sense if you know how Greek gods really were, but as she's a modern American creation? Fuck, she not only gets a pass she can explicitly contrast against them if you wanna bring them in for a story arc.

The best Wonder Woman, in my view, is one that is in constant war between the Amazon dogma and the real world. I think she works best if she gets excitement about being a hero but cannot fully comprehend the wider complexities of what that actually means. She seems to have a very black & white worldview that ends up clashing with the League

The first WW movie did great in this aspect. She saw the war and suffering and immediately jumped to fight Ares. The only problem is, even after the big bad was defeated, the war still continued (I hate the third act for going against this scene). She couldn't comprehend why people still fight, it had to be Ares controlling them in her mind.
This aspect is also reflected in her relationship with Steve. Steve is a spy and a liar, the thing the Amazons see as being evil. WW takes huge stock in people being truthful, so she struggles to wrap her head around Steve being a genuinely good guy who did "bad" things because it was necessary.

When I think of how to describe the Trinity of DC, I think trust is a good measure for their characters. Superman is pretty all-trusting, willing to always give a second chance. Batman is someone who needs history to display trust, and even then, he always gets paranoid about worst outcomes. WW is in the middle. She displays a high amount of trust till backstabbed. She firmly believes everyone should be honest, which is why Batman being secretive and Superman being completely okay with secrets drives her up a wall.

Hawkgirl and Wondy were really kinda both women warriors in the DCAU but I wish they played off that dynamic better.

Hawkgirl feels more memorable. She had a lot more of a personality, which is why I think people gravitated towards her more. The romance with John added a lot of levity to her where she can be more playful. Same with Flash, sort of hard to forget her joking around with him and playing wing-man for him and Fire. It felt like they took more chances with Hawkgirl to widen her past warrior, whereas WW only ever was strong women or Batman's sidepiece.

Will admit, she was pretty fun in the kids episode. There is a reason /co/ takes to loli WW more, past the obvious pedo bait. Wish they made that her default personality as her being able to play mom was a good fit.

Diana should be running around in sword and sorcery adventures in the DCU. It works. Have her constantly fight big monsters and evil sorcerers and whatnot. Have her love interest, when it's not Steve, be different "worthy" DC heroes. It could be interesting seeing how they stack up to her values. You also get the whole relationship aspect via feedback from fans. Did they like Diana's little romance with Ted Grant or whatever other classic single hero it is? Etc. Have her be larger than life and full of personality. Like a brawny and lively woman full of grace and old fashioned honor at her core.

A big aspect of DC heroes missing from WW is the family. If we are speaking on getting her a female audience, playing more into her being Wonder-Mom would be a plus. A huge draw of Batman, Superman, Flash and Arrow is the wider families they have, and it has been a complete missed opportunity to not dive into that for the premier female hero.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Which is how she got the gig in the first place...

Wasn't the first thing she wrote, after getting hired for complaining about fridging, a comic where a female character gets fridged?

That's about 5 altogether. I feel like Bats has a long list of fodder female supervillains that just never go anywhere.

That's because writers don't take them anywhere. The solution is to write more interesting stories for them, like what Timm already did with a few less popular villains he brought in for BTAS, not gender swap pre-existing characters (who you don't even give anything interesting to do anyway).

...I was under the impression it was animated on the cheap using AI? The proportions seem glitchy/watching action scenes give me that uncanny valley feeling I get from bad AI choreography.

I'd assume there was some awkward CGI implementation somewhere, especially when a character is running.

 

[Humble Architect]

Wonder Woman’s sword and shield should be kept in the same locker as Bruce’s power armor and Clark’s murder eyes, only to be used when shit has hit the fan.

Everything Bruce Timm does, more and more shows that Paul Dini was the talent and Timm is nothing more than a hack fraud with a strong right hook, if you catch my drift.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

@Mayor Cody Travers the weird thing about Wonder Woman, is I have a very 180 take on the character from what you posted. I am sure more seasoned comic veterans can correct me, but I always thought of WW as more-or-less a hyper idealist with a child's view of how the world works. I think the WW movie did her pretty well in this regard.

Highly disagree, a big part of WW is how absolutely disconnected she is from the real world. She grew up on an isolated island of all women where the history of such reads like a Feminist Disney fairy-tale. Till Steve drops on that island, WW has never actually experienced the world around her, has not seen technology advance, hasn't even come into contact with the opposite sex.
The best Wonder Woman, in my view, is one that is in constant war between the Amazon dogma and the real world. I think she works best if she gets excitement about being a hero but cannot fully comprehend the wider complexities of what that actually means. She seems to have a very black & white worldview that ends up clashing with the League

The first WW movie did great in this aspect. She saw the war and suffering and immediately jumped to fight Ares. The only problem is, even after the big bad was defeated, the war still continued (I hate the third act for going against this scene). She couldn't comprehend why people still fight, it had to be Ares controlling them in her mind.
This aspect is also reflected in her relationship with Steve. Steve is a spy and a liar, the thing the Amazons see as being evil. WW takes huge stock in people being truthful, so she struggles to wrap her head around Steve being a genuinely good guy who did "bad" things because it was necessary.

When I think of how to describe the Trinity of DC, I think trust is a good measure for their characters. Superman is pretty all-trusting, willing to always give a second chance. Batman is someone who needs history to display trust, and even then, he always gets paranoid about worst outcomes. WW is in the middle. She displays a high amount of trust till backstabbed. She firmly believes everyone should be honest, which is why Batman being secretive and Superman being completely okay with secrets drives her up a wall.

Hawkgirl feels more memorable. She had a lot more of a personality, which is why I think people gravitated towards her more. The romance with John added a lot of levity to her where she can be more playful. Same with Flash, sort of hard to forget her joking around with him and playing wing-man for him and Fire. It felt like they took more chances with Hawkgirl to widen her past warrior, whereas WW only ever was strong women or Batman's sidepiece.

Will admit, she was pretty fun in the kids episode. There is a reason /co/ takes to loli WW more, past the obvious pedo bait. Wish they made that her default personality as her being able to play mom was a good fit.

A big aspect of DC heroes missing from WW is the family. If we are speaking on getting her a female audience, playing more into her being Wonder-Mom would be a plus. A huge draw of Batman, Superman, Flash and Arrow is the wider families they have, and it has been a complete missed opportunity to not dive into that for the premier female hero.

I think Wondy's extended family has potential but the issue is that they tend to occupy somewhat similar-ish roles in the dynamics of their own groups/teams. Maybe letting them work off Wondy when they're with her and be allowed to make mistakes and screw up as there's no pressure to live up to her. Donna's matured, sure. But Cassie? Artemis? Not really. It'd be interesting seeing them act in a sort of "they're not worried about living up to Diana's rep" kinda way. Add on Yara and Nubia too. Would be funny if Nubia was just running around acting like Artemis used to, but like twice as worse. A chip on her shoulder, anger issues, impetuousness, and an ego. It's leaning towards the "angry nigger" archetype but it could be interesting to see an Amazon go full on shoulder and think she's entitled to being treated like Diana is. Have it be a foil for Yara Flor, who's arguably in a weirder situation.

Wondy should also have been the one to fight Rao, the Kryptonian Sun God, and get washed for trying to do so. Hell, there should be a list of top tier threats that are mythical in nature and she should be the one that's first to fight and get slammed. Have her go on last stands while the rest of the heroes evacuate the place (Flash) or aren't there in time (most that aren't capable of high speed. but Wondy should have some sort of early warning system so she winds up in a place before the rest. )

I liked the DCAMU Doomsday event movie because it showed a classic lineup of JLA members. The world's top tier A-List heroes. GL, Captain Marvel, J'onn, Flash, Cyborg, Hawkman, etc. I also liked that Wondy herself was the one to last the longest when fighting Doomsday. It was a good representation of what I think works for her. Have her be the "warrior" but give her a clear and likable personality. Give her good moments that are worthy. Hell, a part of that film was her giving Superman encouragement to share his secret with Lois.

I think it did a good job at showing the role Wondy should have without making her bland. A bit of maturity and a hell of a lot of willpower to be the last one standing.

Don't think there's been a good Wondy last stand moment in comics. Shame. It'd have been truly fun if they did it right. If Superman's heroic ideal is to be the leading paragon of everything and Batman's is to be the man that strives for his ideals in spite of his limitations, then Wondy could be a mix of old school chivalry (in an Amazon sense) while also being compassionate until backstabbed. Let her be a bit naive to the world of man's fuckery despite her age. It'd be good to show how screwed up normal people can be. Have Wondy get involved in a case where a woman's fake rape allegations led to a man's suicide. Etc.

Wasn't the first thing she wrote, after getting hired for complaining about fridging, a comic where a female character gets fridged?

That's because writers don't take them anywhere. The solution is to write more interesting stories for them, like what Timm already did with a few less popular villains he brought in for BTAS, not gender swap pre-existing characters (who you don't even give anything interesting to do anyway).

I'd assume there was some awkward CGI implementation somewhere, especially when a character is running.

Penguin, for the longest time, has been relegated to a crime boss with a sad childhood. But, to be fair, he seems to be somewhat respected within the DCU by others because he did his whole supercrime schtick against the timeline's original wave of heroes (the Silver Age guys).

I think a good way to utilize Penguin further would be him getting shit for not going head to head against the big guns on his own any more. Have him try to prove himself, but he escapes from Superman by the skin of his teeth. His rep gets restored because he slipped away.


Etc.

Wonder Woman’s sword and shield should be kept in the same locker as Bruce’s power armor and Clark’s murder eyes, only to be used when shit has hit the fan.

Everything Bruce Timm does, more and more shows that Paul Dini was the talent and Timm is nothing more than a hack fraud with a strong right hook, if you catch my drift.

Was Timm the artist? I think he was. Makes sense he's not the best writer.

Wondy's weaponry has been accessed in the past and she's always shown that she can use all weapons due to her training.

Would be funny to see her train with Shining Knight in some story. Have all the really old heroes that have somehow survived for centuries meet somewhere for a sword and sorcery style adventure. But, because it'd be funny, have Oliver Queen get dragged along against his will. Get Shining Knight, Gilgamesh, Beowulf, and etc.

Hell, fucking drag in Vigilante. The original DC Cowboy superhero.


Make it a fun adventure with good art and fun dialogue. Ollie is way over his head and is surprised Vigilante isn't as tense. Make the adventure about something like. . . trying to retrieve Aquaman's trident from the dungeon-temple of QWSP.

 

[jspit2.0]

I could buy Halo taking over a Muslims' body. I can't buy her being religious because of the nature of what she is.

it just kindof defeats the purpose of the character as a foil for Katana. Bright, optimistic. But they didn't get the Outsiders right in general.

Even that wasn't as bad as the non-binary Muslim woman with power of the week, an immortal Space god and yet somehow still ended up believing Islam - a religion that sprung up on a primitive world an eyeblink ago from her perspective - is the one true religion. This was someone from New Genesis. She was also a lesbian but hey - we know she's a Muslim because she wears a hijab and talks about her faith.

Clueless.

Yeah. What is modesty before a literal space goddess who has no concept of it? It's a good example of pearls before swine. Not even worth being angry....

Wonder Woman’s sword and shield should be kept in the same locker as Bruce’s power armor and Clark’s murder eyes, only to be used when shit has hit the fan.

The sword was always dumb. The power armor is how you have him deal with people like Killer Croc. The murder eyes are non-cannon as far as I'm concerned. And the sword? That belongs right next to Diana straight up murdering people.

Member Max Lord? That's canon again thanks to Didio and Cucka. Worst period in characters history, a history including Denny O'Neil in full I'm with her circa 70s, and somehow her fans regard it highly and even whined and cried they wanted it back over Azz's run.

Everything Bruce Timm does, more and more shows that Paul Dini was the talent and Timm is nothing more than a hack fraud with a strong right hook, if you catch my drift.

Timm's portion was artistic. He never should have been handed the reigns solo. then again, how could anyone do good work. Fuck, Dini cosigned lezHarley despite that being the dumbest thing on earth a couple years back.

You either sell your soul or choose not to play. More people should choose not to play.

 

[Still Exceptional]

oh he's talking abt female villains. He's not too wrong. He's missing Talia al Ghul from the list and that's about it. Maybe Lady Shiva counts as potentially good but she's more of a Batgirl/Robin one.

That's about 5 altogether. I feel like Bats has a long list of fodder female supervillains that just never go anywhere. Personally, I think a female Two-Face would have worked if they really tried it.

You forgot one of Batman TAS' saddest villains: Baby-Doll.

Seriously, that episode was fucking sad.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

You forgot one of Batman TAS' saddest villains: Baby-Doll.
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Seriously, that episode was fucking sad.

you know, the more i think about it, this could have been a great love interest for Penguin. we'd just need to change his name to Cobblestein.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

you know, the more i think about it, this could have been a great love interest for Penguin. we'd just need to change his name to Cobblestein.

What the FUCK what that episode with her and Killer Croc even