UK Race riots put Britain on collision course with Elon Musk - Britain’s government has social platforms in its sights as incitement spreads — and the X owner is squaring up for a fight.

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Race riots put Britain on collision course with Elon Musk
Politico EU (archive.ph)
By Esther Webber and Vincent Manacourt
2024-08-06 07:56:44GMT

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Fake news channels on X helped to disseminate false information about the killing of three children in Southport last week. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

LONDON — Britain’s in the grip of its worst race riots in decades. And Elon Musk just can't help himself.

The billionaire X owner sparked fury in the British government this weekend after he responded to incendiary footage of the far-right disorder that's sweeping the country by saying "civil war is inevitable."

The post on X was roundly condemned by U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer's office, which said there was “no justification” for Musk’s comments.

But Musk doubled down on Monday night. Responding to a statement from Starmer vowing his government would “not tolerate attacks on mosques or on Muslim communities,” the X boss effectively accused the British prime minister of wearing blinkers. “Shouldn’t you be concerned about attacks on all communities?”

Starmer's top interior minister, Yvette Cooper, meanwhile has a litany of complaints over the way social media giants like X are policing incitement and disinformation on their platforms.

“There are some things which are clearly already criminal, where we'll need police intervention and action to pursue those," Cooper told the BBC Monday. "There are other areas where the social media companies do have clear requirements at the moment to remove criminal material, and should be doing so, but sometimes take too long to do so.

"There are other areas where they have made commitments around their terms and conditions that are supposed to be enforced but are not being done so."

Cooper's vowed to take up the issue with tech giants this week.

Yet, despite plenty of hand-wringing over the proliferation of far-right messaging, Britain's toolbox for forcing the hands of social media companies seems limited.

This time, the riots — which have seen mosques attacked and accommodation for asylum seekers targeted — were inextricably linked to online communications. Fake news channels on X helped to disseminate false information about the killing of three children in Southport last week.

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The riots — which have seen mosques attacked and accommodation for asylum seekers targeted — were inextricably linked to online communications. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

Right-wing influencers with huge reach, such as English Defense League founder Tommy Robinson and actor-turned-anti-woke activist Laurence Fox, have punted messages at their thousands of followers on X, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. (Fox approvingly shared Musk's attack on Starmer Monday night.)

WhatsApp and Telegram have been used to organize gatherings at short notice, while flyers organizing specific protests have been spread on Facebook. TikTok has been abuzz with videos of the violence.

But X in particular has proven a particular hotbed of far-right chatter. Musk's direct intervention aside, the platform has also reinstated Robinson's account. He is currently banned on Instagram and Facebook.

In a statement Monday, Britain’s Tech Secretary Peter Kyle said it is “undeniable” that social media has provided a platform for the rioters.

“We have been clear with these companies they also have a responsibility not to peddle the harm of those who seek to damage and divide our society, and we are working closely with them to ensure they meet that responsibility,” he added.

'No need to wait'
So, beyond beefing with Musk, what can Britain’s government actually do? The administration has a big legislative stick to use — but it's simply not ready yet.

Under Britain’s Online Safety Act, years in the making, platforms will have a duty to “take robust action” against illegal content. That includes content that incites violence or which is related to “racially or religiously aggravated public order offenses.”

Platforms are meant to prevent illegal content appearing on the platforms in the first place — and to act quickly to remove it if it does appear.

Failing to meet these obligations could see social media firms face fines of up to £18 million — or 10 percent of their worldwide revenue, whichever is greater — by media regulator Ofcom.

But crucially, the act's provisions on illegal content only come into effect around the end of 2024. And Britain’s existing laws on inciting violence stem from its 1986 public order act, which predates social media by decades — and so require police to comb platforms for potential breaches.

For now, British authorities can only implore tech companies to do the right thing and stringently enforce their own policies, many of which claim to ban the kind of content that has been openly rife online in recent days.

“There’s no need for online services to wait for the new laws to come into force before they make their sites and apps safer for users,” said a spokesperson for Britain's tech regulator, Ofcom.

“Our role will be to make sure that regulated services take appropriate steps to protect their users,” they added. “It will not involve us making decisions about individual posts or accounts.”

Sunder Katwala, director of the think tank British Future, told POLITICO that “will and capacity” are needed by social media platforms to remove offensive or dangerous content, “and what you've got at the moment is less will and and less capacity than you used to have, certainly in the case of X — and on Facebook and Tiktok.” X, Meta, TikTok, and Telegram were approached for comment.

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Social media could have upsides in catching those breaking the law. | Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

He added that pressure from the top could be key to forcing change, since “politicians have actually got something very important on the regulators — which is that they've got a forum to which you can summon people.”

Sara Khan, who served as former Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s adviser on social cohesion, has accused ministers of failing to heed her 2021 report co-authored with Metropolitan Police chief Mark Rowley, which warned that certain prevalent forms of hateful extremism are not captured by existing legislation.

“Our rules have failed to evolve with this growing extremist threat, there are gaps in our legislation that is allowing them to, in effect, operate with impunity," Khan told the Guardian this week.

Over in the EU, the bloc's equivalent of the Online Safety Act — the Digital Services Act — is already in force and X is facing a probe by the European Commission over the spread of toxic content on the platform.

In France, President Emmanuel Macron even floated the idea of cutting access to social media platforms altogether because of the role he said they played in exacerbating riots in the country last summer. Britain seems unlikely to go quite that far.

Action by social media giants ultimately depends on the credible threat of enforcing regulation, according to Katwala — something he believes has been sorely lacking so far. "If tech companies don’t comply when the time comes, we’ll have a broad range of enforcement powers at our disposal," said the Ofcom spokesperson.

In the meantime, social media could have upsides in catching those breaking the law. Nazir Afzal, who was chief crown prosecutor in the north west of England at the time of 2011 disorder, pointed out that videos shared online would make it far easier to identify perpetrators than it was 13 years ago, when the main resource available was CCTV.

But, as the sparring with Musk continues, Britain's government remains to be convinced. “Some of this is about criminal behavior of individuals, and some of this is about the responsibility of the social media companies,” said Cooper, the home secretary. “We need to pursue both, because we obviously cannot carry on like this.”
 
The British Police announce plans to Extradite and Imprison Americans who violate British Hate Speech laws on X, including discussing bad things the Brown Replacements for Ethnic Europeans do (as, per government policy, they can do no wrong).

Remember, stabbing a bunch of toddlers, killing 3, is bad. But getting upset about it is a crime.

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The British Police announce plans to Extradite and Imprison Americans who violate British Hate Speech laws on X, including discussing bad things the Brown Replacements for Ethnic Europeans do (as, per government policy, they can do no wrong).

Remember, stabbing a bunch of toddlers, killing 3, is bad. But getting upset about it is a crime.

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I hope to see more GW vs britbong memes.
 
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I wish the yanks would actually do anything with those firearm rights other than say they have them lol
Their very presence ensures certain things don’t happen. BLM for example completely avoided the kind of armed to the teeth red small towns. There was no need to go out and shoot blm because they were too afraid to even go to that kind of town.
By having those guns, they still have their first and second amendments because the state knows that to remove them and punish people will result in a lot of those guns being used.
Being armed is a deterrent in itself - the kind of ‘mass uprising with a lot of shooting’ is still something that would take a lot of promotion happen. It doesn’t need to because the state knowing they have guns is why they still have free speech, and we don’t.
 
You never once protected your own rights against domestic tyranny but you have Opinions about the behavior of others regarding the same lol
I'm not pretending I can do anything about it, I'm completely disillusioned with capitalism and all things adjacent, and the notion that the gun people in the US can or will do anything about that which would affect the oligarchs bottom line to me seems like a fantasy. I'd like to be wrong but that's what it is, maybe change your tampon now, your frilly undies are in a bunch

Their very presence ensures certain things don’t happen. BLM for example completely avoided the kind of armed to the teeth red small towns. There was no need to go out and shoot blm because they were too afraid to even go to that kind of town.
By having those guns, they still have their first and second amendments because the state knows that to remove them and punish people will result in a lot of those guns being used.
Being armed is a deterrent in itself - the kind of ‘mass uprising with a lot of shooting’ is still something that would take a lot of promotion happen. It doesn’t need to because the state knowing they have guns is why they still have free speech, and we don’t
Reads as incredibly naive, the military would squash any armed rebellion in an instant. As if everyone with guns would even be on the same side. And even then, you think the corporations wouldn't just buy the gun nuts out? Pie in the sky idealism
 
Is this a dig against Americans or against the British? It works both ways.
It doesn't though, unless you're a poltard
I'm not pretending I can do anything about it, I'm completely disillusioned with capitalism and all things adjacent, and the notion that the gun people in the US can or will do anything about that which would affect the oligarchs bottom line to me seems like a fantasy. I'd like to be wrong but that's what it is, maybe change your tampon now, your frilly undies are in a bunch
Stopped caring once I read "I'm completely disillusioned with capitalism"

You sound defensive and not happy about it though, so you lash out at me - since now you can't lash out at your government without coppers showing up at your door lol

I, however, can lash out at my government without coppers showing up at my door, so why would I need to use my guns?
Reads as incredibly naive, the military would squash any armed rebellion in an instant. As if everyone with guns would even be on the same side. And even then, you think the corporations wouldn't just buy the gun nuts out? Pie in the sky idealism
Pure delusional cope lol. Just because your nation is neutered, incapable physically or morally of revolution (except, perhaps, an Islamic one some day) doesn't mean others are
 
At this point if you're a Prince William why not call up some like minded friends from the military, meet with Protestant militia in Belfast and the IRA, and then declare war on the current government for a return to monarchial rule? If William gathered a force then called a press conference calling on all white Britons to kill cops and overthrow the state wouldn't he have a decent chance? If he fails just flee to South America. Rather make a mark in the history books than be another rich stooge.
 
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Please do my good nibba, I want you to be another statistic very badly


Also: projection, KF édition, you're so transparent lol
The US government is a bunch of evil retards and should not be listened to

These days I quite literally cannot say that on any major social media platform about the British government, as a resident of Britain, without running the risk of a visit from the police

I can say it, all I want, about the US government as a resident (citizen, awkshoolly) of the United States, anywhere I want, without fear of any consequence

If, after a few exchanges that made you feel some kinda way, you very badly want me to be a statistic, I feel pretty confident that your internet psychoanalysis shouldn't concern me at all lol
 
Reads as incredibly naive, the military would squash any armed rebellion in an instant.
My point is that it doesn’t need to get to military rebellion. Yes the government has tanks, and what of it? The viet cong and the taliban had flip flops and rifles. The ONLY way for the US to win would have been to flatten the places to ashes. They could have done that, with their superior weaponry, but they couldn’t do it morally.
If it ever kicks off in the USA it’ll be dirty urban sniping at each other, it’s not going to be lining up neatly and the guy with the biggest weapons wins. The ones who eun will be the ones who stick it out and believe, just like the taliban.
The sharp end of the enforcement of the law is police and maybe minor military. Yes the first place that openly rebels is getting f crushed, but that one battle will be lost and the war will be won because no police force on earth will go door to door at the risk of getting their heads blown off.
That’s what we dont have. They are not afraid of us. if the average Brit was as legally able to be armed as the Americans, there would not be any of this going round doors warning people about nasty tweets.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fear the people, there is freedom and liberty.
 
My point is that it doesn’t need to get to military rebellion. Yes the government has tanks, and what of it? The viet cong and the taliban had flip flops and rifles. The ONLY way for the US to win would have been to flatten the places to ashes. They could have done that, with their superior weaponry, but they couldn’t do it morally.
If it ever kicks off in the USA it’ll be dirty urban sniping at each other, it’s not going to be lining up neatly and the guy with the biggest weapons wins. The ones who eun will be the ones who stick it out and believe, just like the taliban.
The sharp end of the enforcement of the law is police and maybe minor military. Yes the first place that openly rebels is getting f crushed, but that one battle will be lost and the war will be won because no police force on earth will go door to door at the risk of getting their heads blown off.
That’s what we dont have. They are not afraid of us. if the average Brit was as legally able to be armed as the Americans, there would not be any of this going round doors warning people about nasty tweets.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fear the people, there is freedom and liberty.
I just truly do not believe that the American oligarchs are afraid of the people in the slightest. look what they are doing to children and nothing is happening really.
 
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I just truly do not believe that the American oligarchs are afraid of the people in the slightest. look what they are doing to children and nothing is happening really.
They are and they aren’t. The oligarch class are very removed from the people. The police, well they aren’t, and they know how many guns everyone has. BLM obviously know too, because they rioted only in specific areas. No oligarch is getting close enough to an angry pleb to get vaporised, but their attack dogs know the score.
Only scared people build bunkers, I would think. And live behind gates.
 
I just truly do not believe that the American oligarchs are afraid of the people in the slightest. look what they are doing to children and nothing is happening really.
They should be. The only thing keeping me from.......*redacted* on any number of cogs in the machine is my family and my job. If I lose my house and become homeless then I'm stashing my kids and wife with family and settling scores. All these people have names and addresses. Only select few get personal security details.
 
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