Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

if Ukraine decides to hardball and kill the civilians that's going to be a step too far for all but the most insane supporters in the west.
No it's not. First of all it doesn't matter what the public thinks. The Elites are going to do whatever they want and secondly they will just lie about it like they always do. Right now they (the German media) have this story how Russian soldiers are allegedly plundering their own houses and shops in the Kursk region. It's become completely unhinged and far removed from reality. "Supporting Ukraine" is not rooted in anything substantial anymore. It's just there. Part of the bigger agenda like faggotry and islamization.
 
Russia's attitude towards hostage taking is notoriously "You will all die if you try, the hostages are a secondary concern". Widespread kidnapping of Russian civilians is likely to be a gloves off moment when it comes to hitting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. If you want to treat civilians as valid military objects, they'll show you how its done.
"Omg Putler is ordering military strikes on his OWN CITIZENS!"
 
Cancelling the Church sounds quite American doesn't it? 😆😆

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Wouldn't it be easier to just replace all the priests than to build their own church and ban the other?

I have long thought that Ukrainian Nazism is fundamentally different from German. In Germany, it was ideological, based on some scientific theories, and was the product of centuries of development of an entire branch of philosophy.

Ukrainian Nazism is rural. It is generally inherent in all peoples in which the village civilization dominates, if you can call it that. It is cruel, bloody, but if German Nazism was cruel and bloody rationally, in accordance with a strictly prescribed ordnung, then village-mentality Nazism is an irrational sadism. It brings them pleasure. Just remember how in the Baltics and Ukraine they exterminated Jews, with pleasure, joy, enjoying and being sophisticated in their methods. And the Germans created a death factory. Villagers are not capable of creating a factory. At best, a deck to slaughter livestock on. And they extrapolate this to everything.

And also, Ukrainian Nazism is very cargo cult. Moreover, in a very peculiar form, inherent to slaves who are trying to impersonate their masters. The most disgusting slave dreams of being like his masters, and they considered the Germans to be just that. That is why the Norwegians or the Dutch, having put on the SS uniform, treated it as just a uniform, but the legionnaires of "Galicia" idolized these clothes as something sacred, something that brought them a little bit closer to their masters. And approximately the same thing is happening now. For them, swastikas, runes and other crap are absolutely sacred symbols, thanks to which they feel equal to their former masters. And they even hope to become more successful.

The slave genes that the Austrians, Poles and Germans hammered into them, plus the rural way of life are the very basis of Galician Nazism. Which is in some ways more terrible than the German ideological one, but due to the pettiness of its adherents it will never be able to grow into the Reich that Germany became in the thirties of the twentieth century. And this Nazism must be destroyed as the most dangerous plague.

Hohols are quite clearly unable to grasp the higher meanings of nazism or fashy literature. Or even follow the Reich's dictates, and honour the Wienna Awards.
This same thing also happens with other movements, like how the west treats the rainbow flag as a sacred runic symbol that they must die for. Diversity is just a gospel, without rhyme nor reason. Why is it good? Because it is. If you don't believe that, you are a heathen, I mean a racisss.
 
Wouldn't it be easier to just replace all the priests than to build their own church and ban the other?
I mean, that's effectively what they're doing.
The name change might seems strange, but there's a consistency in which the churches with "Orthodox church <country>" are not subservient to the Moscow patriarch. For example "Orthodox Church of Finland" belongs to the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. "Orthodox Church in America" is independent.
Compare that to Chinese Orthodox Church which is under the Moscow patriarch, the Japanese Orthodox Church also under the Moscow patriarch, Latvian Orthodox Church under the Moscow Patriarch.
They're effectively signaling that they've severed ties to Moscow.
 

Bloomberg reported a few hours ago that zelensky is requesting Western leaders for Ukrainians but want to keep them because easy labour (or they want to avoid drama with the public or news to lower their support for Ukraine indicating any military equipment given doesn't stop the body shortage growth
Always good to archive or screenshot - tweets disappear all the time.
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I suspect what they mean by this is that without the Ukranians, wages will rise.

That said, why should someone who doesn't want to fight for Kiev be forced to do so? Fighting for your nation is one thing. Fighting for an imposed Western puppet, that came about on false promises of reconciliation and who followed another who came in on a coup? There's no patriotism in that.
 
I suspect what they mean by this is that without the Ukranians, wages will rise.
No. I think they actually mean it like they say it. Because I know that the Poles for example are on our construction sites. They're not going to build in Poland lol.

If only Germany could be as productive with their Ukranian refugees as Poland and the Czech Republic are, and make them actually do something instead of just sitting around getting free money.
Can't. Because then people would begin to question why Orientals aren't working either. So it's easier to just have everyone freeloading for now.
 
So, I got bored and watch a video from a NAFO aligned commentator


And...

He's basically arguing that Ukraine hopes to kidnap Russian conscripts, to trade them for Ukrainian POWs ? I mean, this seems to not be as egregious as the idea of rushing to endanger another npp but still.

But, there is one serious error with this argument. Why would Russia let Ukraine know they can get away with such action? It would only tell Ukraine that they can take more conscripts prisoner to get their soldiers back. Which, if they are not fighting then what is the added value of having them now, or just getting them back in idk 5 years time? Plus, if Ukraine has more POW conscripts who have proven they are not willing to fight, then Ukraine will either:

  1. Pay to keep them alive. Get brownie points
  2. Kill them off, do some warcrimes (which Ukraine are fine with) so then they don't have to keep them alive as the POWs . The West will cover for them anyway, just claim that it was the NKVD. Peace of cake! Then they can claim "well actually, we wanted to give them a better life than they had in Russia but Putler just had to kill them".
Which puts Ukraine into a lose lose situation, because Russia would not want to make this behaviour be seen as permissive. Yes, the conscripts are valuable to Putin but want to know what else is? Being seen as strong.

Which, this is basically this argument from a couple pages back:
Russia's attitude towards hostage taking is notoriously "You will all die if you try, the hostages are a secondary concern". Widespread kidnapping of Russian civilians is likely to be a gloves off moment when it comes to hitting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. If you want to treat civilians as valid military objects, they'll show you how its done.

And in Spaniel's honour, I present lines on a map!
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It's actually really simple what Ukraine wants. So, the first line is send men from the southern front to invade Kursk, then the next line is use those men to get POWs and the final line is to have those men go to the southern front. I for one, love triangles!
 

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He's basically arguing that Ukraine hopes to kidnap Russian conscripts, to trade them for Ukrainian POWs ? I mean, this seems to not be as egregious as the idea of rushing to endanger another npp but still.
The bigger issue with this argument is that just as many if not more Ukrainian soldiers are being captured as Russian so it's a wash. In the process Ukraine has lost about $10billion in equipment and countless killed so far.
 
I wish all slavaboos, regardless of salonigger vs vodkanigger denomination would die, thanks. You don't speak any of the languages, you've never lived in any of these countries, you don't know what it's like, and no number of LARPing about le baste slavs and Belorussian import brides being nice to you is going to change that. I'm not even one of those faggots who despises the country they live in to suck off Germany or any other "western paradise". But any time some faggot westerner opens their mouth, whether it be to shit on slavs for being cavemen, or be it because they're some trad larper who thinks Eastern Europe is heaven on Earth because there's no brown people (there are, they're being imported for cheap labor, imagine that), it's the most retarded shit I end up reading all week.

The government is fucking all of us, probably harder than they fuck you, you just don't know because you don't want to.
Late-ish reply but every time I start to think that Russia maybe isn't the best place in the world, I hear about a western government doing something faggoty like arresting someone for wrongthink and I become a Zigger again out of contrarianism.
 
I have no horse in this race, but looking at things objectively Russia is justified in invading Ukraine. NATO has been provoking Russia since at least 2005. In 2008, NATO assisted in organizing military exercises in both Ukraine and Georgia (simulating an attack on Russia). I won't go into the whole Maidan situation, but watching the Western media reverse course in their commentary on Ukraine has been nothing short of hypocritical. For years before this conflict went hot we heard about how corrupt the Ukrainian government is and how it employs Nazis to fight for it.

Watching cuck faggots like Destiny sperg about how the Russian army is garbage or NAFO trolls masturbating to kamikaze drone strikes on Shitter opened my eyes to how sick Western society has become. Considering how the West fucked up Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Serbia, and the list goes on, you'd think these liberals cocksuckers would be more self-reflective.
 
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