Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Aunt Carol]

First the feminism slapfights, now we get the Christianity spergery. Oh goody.

This is ultimately the Materialism Demonstrated thread. The philosophy of troonery keeps the sages debating, but in the end we are all made of bleeding, fallible meat.

Some bags are detachable, allowing the patient to wear the same adhesive barrier for longer than 1 bag change.

They snap on like Rubbermaid lids! It can help preserve the skin around the stoma with fewer changes. On the other hand, if the barrier is poorly-placed or the hole is cut a little large, keeping the same bad barrier on for longer is like masking and then acid-etching the skin.

OR!!!...and work with me here...the Pooner is lying/delusional.

There's a joke here about a dude touching his dick and feeling his knee, but I can't quite get to it. I'm sure it's heckin' validating, though.

An actual designer hand-made front hole!

When someone is going to have an ostomy, either the surgeon or the ostomy nurse comes in pre-op and is very careful about marking off placement. Look at the folds in your abdomen and how they change when you're lying down, to sitting, to standing.

If the surgeon just eyeballed a site from how a patient looks lying down in the OR, it would end up with something that's fine for the intestine, but every time the patient bends or moves, the adhesive barrier tries to fold itself inward, or tugs, leading to lost wafers, skin shearing or worse.

So this guy's stoma probably is more "designer" than his fancy new vagina.

I forgot if I've dropped this link in this thread or elsewhere (with similar flimsy reasoning; I just like it), but Mr. "Reject His Design" might consider another tattoo after this: Man Proposes, God Disposes.

 

[Anasa Tristis]

Hush, your facts are upsetting the narrative.

Receipts are problematic. And there's plenty on that particular topic.

Like, seriously?

Thank postmodernism, where previous absolute definitions based on universal perceptions of reality (boy child=son or wanting a Dr to cut off your tits=crazy) have been deconstructed to mean anything anyone wants according to feelz (lizard=son or tit chop=liberation).

in the end we are all made of bleeding, fallible meat.

Meat with immutable limits.

 

[KingFrampt]

A thread on Lissa would be great purely so we could have an organized timeline of events to serve as a precautionary tale

I’m not sure there’s enough content to make it out of PG though, thoughts?

 

[sarna]

A thread on Lissa would be great purely so we could have an organized timeline of events to serve as a precautionary tale

I’m not sure there’s enough content to make it out of PG though, thoughts?

He's Landon Hiscock 2.0 at best, and Hiscock's thread flopped pretty quickly. I reckon he works best as an ongoing exhibit here for now.

 

[Programmer Socks]

eBegging has pulled in $3,740 of simped coffee donations.

 

[Deine Mutter]

Cerberussy

 

[Xanthe]

Guide to heresy for morons:

Spoiler

No. I patrol my own Christian group, which I do in fact regard as the only legitimate and actual 2,000 year old group, in order to keep it clean from heresy. That is a job that has taken multiple councils and which people have died for. And I regard all outliers as heretics. I am not going to go around correcting mormons for you any more than I'm going to go around yelling at jews or any other group I regard as outsiders. I am only "stuck with" snake-handlers in Appalachia, or Televangelists, or whatever, in your own mind and out of your own ignorance. If you want to point at a Catholic priest and tell some 7th Day Adventist "THIS IS YOUR GUY!!!" you're fucking retarded.

Guide to heresy for morons:

Spoiler

No. I patrol my own Christian group, which I do in fact regard as the only legitimate and actual 2,000 year old group, in order to keep it clean from heresy. That is a job that has taken multiple councils and which people have died for. And I regard all outliers as heretics. I am not going to go around correcting mormons for you any more than I'm going to go around yelling at jews or any other group I regard as outsiders. I am only "stuck with" snake-handlers in Appalachia, or Televangelists, or whatever, in your own mind and out of your own ignorance. If you want to point at a Catholic priest and tell some 7th Day Adventist "THIS IS YOUR GUY!!!" you're fucking retarded.

Enh, the Catholic Church has some admirable history, and some contemptible history. The trouble with any religion is that in invariably splinters and forms schisms and then it's a circular firing squad of shouting "heretic" at each other. Orthodox Christians think you're a bunch of heretics, you think they are, Protestants weren't totally wrong when they felt you devolved into a money making enterprise so why do I have fuss about any of you? Shia Muslims and Sunni Muslims are both Muslims to me, no matter how much they scream at me that the other side are heretics.

 

[Cryin RN]

He's Landon Hiscock 2.0 at best, and Hiscock's thread flopped pretty quickly. I reckon he works best as an ongoing exhibit here for now.

It would be useful to have a thread just dedicated to case studies and outcomes. Gruffin, Lissa, Landon, the numerous pooners with hideous urinary issues, etc. Sort of like a textual version of Exulansic's videos but focused on more objectively tracing the trajectory of these surgeries and their complications. This is a population of individuals who have close to zero insight into their own challenges, who refuse to be cautioned about surgical complications, and who minimize problems if they're directly surveyed, so an index of case studies tracking their actual issues would be a service to science tbh.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

A thread on Lissa would be great purely so we could have an organized timeline of events to serve as a precautionary tale

I’m not sure there’s enough content to make it out of PG though, thoughts?

He's Landon Hiscock 2.0 at best, and Hiscock's thread flopped pretty quickly. I reckon he works best as an ongoing exhibit here for now.

Fistulissa thanked Zinnia Jones for grooming him cracking his egg before surgery, and Zach and him kept some sort of contact after the surgery. Assuming Zach hasn't completely ditched him, maybe Fistulissa can be a supporting character in his thread?

It would be useful to have a thread just dedicated to case studies and outcomes. Gruffin, Lissa, Landon, the numerous pooners with hideous urinary issues, etc.

This would also be good. A "greatest hits" with masterlists of particularly noteworthy yet unthreadworthy troons's Resident Evil style logs posts. We already have some for people like Gruffin, Ashton, and Stumpdick, but this thread moves quickly as general threads tend to do. Would make things easier to find for people that want to learn more vs searching in a swamp of keywords.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Gruffin had puberty blockers young

I keep seeing this assertion but where is it coming from?

The timeline that I know of from her posts and the public record is that she claims to have "come out" around age 12-13, the legal name change was filed a couple years after that, and the surgeries began when she was about 18. From photos it looks like she has facial hair starting around age 15. That would be from T. Where is the claim that she was put on blockers prior to that time coming from? Is it in her posts, or is it supposition?

 

[idontfuckingknow]

Anyone have that image of the troon with the horribly deformed disgusting looking tube breasts. I think it's been posted a few times. Trying to teach my friends about the horrors of hormones.

 

[klarine]

He has gone from a relatively healthy, independent young man to a miserable, drug-dependent invalid. And it wasn't a twist of cruel fate, it was something he chose for himself. I love that for him.

Couldnt have happened to a better person
I usually feel so bad when those things happen to troons, gruffin still has me down, the locked in pooner is a constant source of nightmares for me and there is also the 18 year old hon that died to sepsis after his vaginoplasty because his surgeon managed to infect his fascia with his own shit, that case was my first instance of peaking.

but fistulissa can shit through all the holes in his body for all I care

 

[Dr. Butt]

Speak for yourself. I find it very easy to hate the people themselves. They advocate for what is literally killing them until their dying breath. I don't think I've ever met an alcoholic who extolled the virtue of alcohol consumption as their second liver began to fail.

You never met Mickey Mantle? Pleb.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

Anyone have that image of the troon with the horribly deformed disgusting looking tube breasts. I think it's been posted a few times. Trying to teach my friends about the horrors of hormones.

That would be all of them.

 

[idontfuckingknow]

That would be all of them.

Unhelpful. I know they all look hideous, which is what I'm trying to explain to them. Yes moobs can be bigger than boobs but they are entirely different things. It is a specific gross tube thing I believe posted on reddit under "uneven breast" development, and I believe there was a video too.

 

[(The REAL) Jack Torrance]

Where is the claim that she was put on blockers prior to that time coming from? Is it in her posts, or is it supposition?

I believe this came from Gruffin herself in a TikTok video, though I have no idea which one. Not positive about it. She had two accounts, @gruffin21 and @gruffin22.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

I keep seeing this assertion but where is it coming from?

The timeline that I know of from her posts and the public record is that she claims to have "come out" around age 12-13, the legal name change was filed a couple years after that, and the surgeries began when she was about 18. From photos it looks like she has facial hair starting around age 15. That would be from T. Where is the claim that she was put on blockers prior to that time coming from? Is it in her posts, or is it supposition?

You're quite right; I can't find it directly from her posts (several of the links from the big roundup/timeline post done a few months ths back seem to link to the same June or July comment, so maybe one is supposed to direct to it and has been mis-linked). However:

She was put on T at 14 so I don't think this is the result of transitioning. Unless she was on blockers but she's never mentioned them

@batteredpancakes reports 14, and they were one of the posters getting their info directly from Makayla's SM rather than posts ITT, so I tend to believe it. Also:

April 2022 - got top surgery 5 years ago but still won't go out shirtless, has dog-ear complication.

Top surgery was in 2018 so I nonetheless stand by my previous assertion that Makayla's transition was well underway before the pandemic mass poonering event that so many others we post about seem to have been caught up in. By the time COVID hit she was already titless and had her first rotdog surgery in early 2020, which means it was likely booked a good few months before the end of '19.

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If I can find the post where it states she was put on T as a young teen, I'll edit in the link. There are a lot of posts to wade though and as I mentioned, the big roundup post seems to have a few wrong links in it making things more complicated.

I appreciate you flagging it up though.. Given that she's getting some mainstream world attention that will be no doubt putting fresh eyes on the forum, it's all the more important that we are accurate in what we say about her.

 

[HalfPint]

no-depth cosmetic vulva construction

I am not a medical professional, but is this really not experimental still specifically for men? I know women can get labiaplasty, but the butchering/rearranging of a penis into a vulva still seems far from safe.

 

[Otterly]

You're thinking of Charybdis. Scylla is a lady with a tail and three dog heads where her gender identity should be.
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Something, something, clearly a trans allegory!

And @Stan akshooally you’re both kind of right. Scylla was a sea monster, and Charybdis was a sea monster too - they’re characterised as being a rock (Scylla) and a whirlpool (Charybdis) in the straights of messina. It’s where ‘between a rock and a hard place’ comes from. The idea being both were dreadful and likely to sink your ship (or fistulate your stink ditch in the modern iteration.)
Very Greek tragedy anyway. Much hubris.

 

[Dr. Butt]

I know that many people in this thread no longer feel sympathy for gender ideologists, and believe me, I understand the sentiment, but I don't think it's difficult to see the last few years of Griffin's life as an enormous tragedy that never should have been allowed to happen. Her suffering was immense and her death brutal. At 24, her life should have been just beginning. Regardless of what kind of person she was, she was a human being and she didn't deserve to die this way, because nobody does

The seconds in which you typed this were seconds during which nothing was done to stop the problem. Keep the feelings in your heart and your boots on the ground.