Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

[TheCakeIsALie]

The fetal heart rate pattern is abnormal in the setting of perinatal asphyxia. If Robyn had given birth at a hospital, with continuous fetal heart rate monitoring, this would have been detected before it was too late.


That's the thing, though. Robyn's choice to have a home birth attended by an incompetent midwife is not just "the biggest thing", it is the entire problem.


I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I very much disagree. The midwife bears at least as much responsibility for the outcome as Robyn does. She had to have realized at some point that she was in over her head and something unusual was happening, but she continued to reassure Robyn that everything was fine.

The midwife was the professional in this situation and should have known that there was a problem well before Luna's brain was destroyed. Fuck the midwife.

I said what I said because I don’t know much about the midwife situation. I rather would not judge someone off the bat without getting the full story. ESP since we don’t know the legitimacy of the midwives training, experience, license etc.

Now, anyone practicing without proper credentials deserves nothing but the worst. And the problem is Robyn is delusional herself, and we know all of this through her filter and recount. We can’t say for sure the midwife wasn’t concerned. I’ve seen real concern from medical professionals and all pleas to do something. It doesn’t end well. You can only do so much.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

I said what I said because I don’t know much about the midwife situation. I rather would not judge someone off the bat without getting the full story. ESP since we don’t know the legitimacy of the midwives training, experience, license etc.

Now, anyone practicing without proper credentials deserves nothing but the worst. And the problem is Robyn is delusional herself, and we know all of this through her filter and recount. We can’t say for sure the midwife wasn’t concerned. I’ve seen real concern from medical professionals and all pleas to do something. It doesn’t end well. You can only do so much.

We do know about her (lack of) training and qualifications though... As @Breadbear said on the last page, it's all to be found in the OP and first few pages of the thread.

I agree with your second paragraph, and with the poster a day or two ago saying they are baffled that basically anyone can call themselves a midwife in some parts of Burgerland. In Britain they're well-trained medical professionals and shit like this would cause them to be struck off the Nursing and Midwifery Council register than they have to qualify to sign up to before they can practice. America is wild.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

We do know about her (lack of) training and qualifications though... As @Breadbear said on the last page, it's all to be found in the OP and first few pages of the thread.

I agree with your second paragraph, and with the poster a day or two ago saying they are baffled that basically anyone can call themselves a midwife in some parts of Burgerland. In Britain they're well-trained medical professionals and shit like this would cause them to be struck off the Nursing and Midwifery Council register than they have to qualify to sign up to before they can practice. America is wild.

Oh yeah, I did know about some info after the fact as other people pointed out when I asked. But prior to yesterday, I did not know and try to keep neutral because of life experience in the health care world. You have to be SO careful what you say and do. Obviously on the farms, we can say what we like but that mentality as a whole still stays with me. There’s so much you can get in trouble for that a regular person would not even consider a problem

For example, do not use the words “will continue to monitor” when documenting as a medfag, ever. Really innocuous, right? How could that possibly get you into trouble?

Well, doing so can and will make the nurse is a target for lawsuits and legal action, because if something does happen to the patient and no one was notified and that was your documentation, you are screwed.

Instead, always write “plan of care ongoing”

I don’t mind being wrong about things and corrected, because it’s how we learn. But my reasoning tends to operate differently because of my real life. I hope that makes sense.

And obviously, a quack midwife has no business operating and not acting in the best interest of the fetus is terrible and unprofessional

 

[everybody in Portugal]

Oh yeah, I did know about some info after the fact as other people pointed out when I asked. But prior to yesterday, I did not know and try to keep neutral because of life experience in the health care world. You have to be SO careful what you say and do. Obviously on the farms, we can say what we like but that mentality as a whole still stays with me. There’s so much you can get in trouble for that a regular person would not even consider a problem

For example, do not use the words “will continue to monitor” when documenting as a medfag, ever. Really innocuous, right? How could that possibly get you into trouble?

Well, doing so can and will make the nurse is a target for lawsuits and legal action, because if something does happen to the patient and no one was notified and that was your documentation, you are screwed.

Instead, always write “plan of care ongoing”

I don’t mind being wrong about things and corrected, because it’s how we learn. But my reasoning tends to operate differently because of my real life. I hope that makes sense.

And obviously, a quack midwife has no business operating and not acting in the best interest of the fetus is terrible and unprofessional

I'm a socialcarefag rather than a medfag, but I wholeheartedly agree a with you about being very careful what you say and how and to whom.. My first ever boss put it to me as "always write your notes and care summaries as though they are going to be read into the record at a tribunal or inquest in 15 years. It's unlikely to come to pass as long as you do your job well, but that doesn't mean it never happens."

If Buna's midwife had more 'training' than a few YT videos though, I'll eat my hat. It always sounded like she bent to Blob's every demand and had her eye more on how she was going to come across in the Ramirez's post-birth Instagram posts rather than any true concern for Luna and her safety.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

I'm a socialcarefag rather than a medfag, but I wholeheartedly agree a with you about being very careful what you say and how and to whom.. My first ever boss put it to me as "always write your notes and care summaries as though they are going to be read into the record at a tribunal or inquest in 15 years. It's unlikely to come to pass as long as you do your job well, but that doesn't mean it never happens."

If Buna's midwife had more 'training' than a few YT videos though, I'll eat my hat. It always sounded like she bent to Blob's every demand and had her eye more on how she was going to come across in the Ramirez's post-birth Instagram posts rather than any true concern for Luna and her safety.

I am sure in this situation, knowing now, both are to blame. I don’t doubt it. But I usually try to stay neutral when unsure about facts.

What state were they in at the time?

There’s a good reason OBs have high malpractice premiums. So much can go wrong during birth and that’s why I only deal with kids who have been born. I would be genuinely fearful of doing anything involving prenatal care

 

[Breadbear]

I am sure in this situation, knowing now, both are to blame. I don’t doubt it. But I usually try to stay neutral when unsure about facts.

What state were they in at the time?

There’s a good reason OBs have high malpractice premiums. So much can go wrong during birth and that’s why I only deal with kids who have been born. I would be genuinely fearful of doing anything involving prenatal care

Indiana, per the OP.
And she had 2 different midwives during labor.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

Indiana, per the OP.
And she had 2 different midwives during labor.

Yikes. They only require an associates for a CPM. Either in nursing, midwifery or, other related science field.

The bar is low there, it seems. And this is assuming they were properly licensed. If not, then you know that it’s even worse.

 

[Topaz Eyes]

Yikes. They only require an associates for a CPM. Either in nursing, midwifery or, other related science field.

The bar is low there, it seems. And this is assuming they were properly licensed. If not, then you know that it’s even worse.

CPMs wouldn't even be able to legally practice midwifery in most developed countries. They can take a shitty little one year online course and be good to go.

 

[Oracular Slug]

Spoiler: Birth Story abridged

Thursday, January 17, 2019. I had started feeling the contractions of early labor. Just crampy and feeling overall crappy. I had also started my bloody show.

January 18, 2019; Friday...My irregular contractions continued...

Around 7pm that night we felt the contractions were getting intense enough that we wanted the midwives to head over... As soon as the midwives (Brandi and Joi) arrived, it was time for our first ever doppler during our pregnancy. Our original game plan was to not use a doppler (and we had no ultrasounds) at all during pregnancy and birth, but moving to Indiana changed that. Since Indiana is a licensed midwifery state, they legally required us to use the doppler during birth (where in Las Vegas our midwife was comfortable and competent to use a fetoscope instead to check Luna’s heart rate).

During the labor, we had a birth photographer, Piper, capturing the moments of our labor.

Halfway through Saturday... I allowed Brandi to do the first vaginal exam I had had thus far in my pregnancy, to see how I was progressing. The exam was one of the worst experiences and I hated Brandi in that moment as she had caused me so much pain, and what I believed to be, unnecessary pain in what was already a tremendously painful situation.

I told Glenn that this was all his fault. Several times I told him I wanted to go to the hospital and just have a C-section and be done with it all. To which Piper, our photographer and friend, told me about her C-section and how this was not an easy alternative to what I was experiencing (in the moment I thought anything would be easier than what I was going through). Thankfully, Glenn knew how important it was to me, to us, to birth Luna at home without unnecessary medical interventions. He knew I didn’t really want to go to the hospital and I am truly grateful that he stayed strong for us in the moments I was not, and doubted my own strength.

On Saturday evening it snowed so much

To be honest I did not fell strong, I did not feel brave, I didn’t feel powerful or like a beautiful birthing goddess. I felt scared, in tremendous amounts of pain; I felt exhausted, completely. I cried, I screamed, I moaned, I cussed and said, “my butt” and, “oh God” more times than anyone can remember.

Sometime on Sunday, during the second half of my labor, Rachel arrived (the stand-in midwife in case we went into labor while Brandi was out of town for our estimated delivery date). I had only met Rachel once before this and I had immediately connected with her.

Kristen, the birth attendant,

At 3:43pm on Sunday, January 20th, my water broke.

The pushing started at 5:11pm. Once I began getting the urge to push, the act itself made me dry heave and gag. It was terrible. I was told by the midwives that this was normal and meant the urges were getting stronger

Luna came earth side at 6:34pm.

We waited until I birthed the placenta and the umbilical cord had stopped pulsating and then Glenn cut her cord at 6:50pm.

Then it was just the four of us; Glenn, Marley, Luna and I.

Spoiler: Super short timeline

Thursday 1-18, irregular contractions, bloody show
Friday 1-19, cramps start for real, midwives called at 7pm, first doppler (no monitoring besides a lay midwife with a fetoscope)
Saturday 1-20, "halfway through", first vaginal exam ("unnecessary pain"), begged for c-section that evening, Glenn reminded her she didn't want that. Gets covered in snow.
Sunday 1-21, more people show up. Water breaks at 3:43pm and Luna was out at 6:34

So that's:
Robyn - in labor
Glenn - an idiot
Brandi - midwife
Joi - midwife
Piper - birth photographer
Rachel - stand-in midwife
Kristen - birth attendant
Marley - dog

That's 3 midwives and a "birth attendant" who should've said something, and a total of 6 adult humans who weren't in active labor screaming about their butt. All of them, ALL OF THEM, bear responsibility for what happened.

Can we please stop acting like this is solely Robyn's fault? She's Voldemort but her horcruxes are still vital pieces. Also I want cookies for doing this on mobile.

Edit: typo

 

[Topaz Eyes]

Can we please stop acting like this is solely Robyn's fault?

Anyone who knows how bad CPMs are and how many babies are killed and maimed by them knows it's not solely Robyn's fault. I have nothing against nurse midwives but due to legal reasons, it's very hard for them to attend home births in the US.

 

[Ms. Marple]

I can’t believe the photographer intervened and shared her unsolicited advice. This is absolutely crazy. A bunch of supposedly qualified women but actually just woo amateurs, a photographer who had no business giving advice and dumbass Glenn. And of course Robyn who picked them all to be there. The dog was probably the smartest one there.

 

[TractorGirl]

Fuck each and every one of them in the room. Someone could have left the room and called a medic at any time to intervene, Robyn’s plan be damned.

 

[Awwtismo]

Robyn's failed attempt to be a beauty influencer today:


Nice big hair hanging off of miracle hair serum.
Then Robyn is trying to share her skin care routine. I know the thumbnails don't record sound, but Atlas is making noises and Robyn reassures him they will go downstairs for a snack soon. (Not real speech=just noises) Then Oakley starts crying in the background and she abandons all hope and cuts the video.

Spoiler: Sorry again...

I know I need to learn how to archive. Sorry.

ETA: She posted these messes on Instagram live 2 hours ago. She also might be looking to getting some kind of endorsement from Target for the adaptive fleece pullover she recently bought Luna and then photographs her wearing.
ETA: don't It's been a day, so no more posting.

 

[brooky]

MONAT!!

Lmao!

Here I assumed some crappy tik tok brand gave her something to review. But no, it's literally the pyramid scheme most famous for causing chunks of hair to fall out. Wonderful!

 

[Ms. Marple]

MONAT!!

Lmao!

Here I assumed some crappy tik tok brand gave her something to review. But no, it's literally the pyramid scheme most famous for causing chunks of hair to fall out. Wonderful!

Oh God, I can see it already. She will shill this shit like Paisleys mother did and test it on Lunas hair.

 

[ZB927]

Woof

 

[ILikeYou]

Is it just because of her not having time to/forgot to throw a filter on the video that she sometimes looks so much worse in these clips of her trying to sell skincare and now hair care lately? I'd think the filter would help her sell the glamour she's hoping to sell. I wonder if she's trying to be a moral 'beauty influencer' by showing the real hair and skin results on herself, maybe? Or am I reading too much into that? She never seems to forget a filter elsewhere.

 

[Breadbear]

Monat, perfect for post-partum hair loss.

 

[sorrycharlie]

1. Healy
2. Alovea
3. Oliveda
4. Monat

Am I forgetting any of Robyn’s MLM schemes?

 

[Spicy Meatball]

1. Healy
2. Alovea
3. Oliveda
4. Monat

Am I forgetting any of Robyn’s MLM schemes?

Was she doing the weird purified alkaline water MLM, or does she just have one of the contraptions?

Leave it to Robyn to get herself involved in Monat at the worst possible time. They’re hemorrhaging upper-level sellers and it looks like everyone remaining is making way less than they were even a year ago. As usual, Robyn is going to lose so much of Glenn’s gambling money.