Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

Which caliber was it? The one I got to see was .44 mag, so at least the ammo is semi practical.

it was the 50 but he was talking to the gun store guys about swapping it to 44.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

I have a (genuinely) hypothetical question. Does bullet choice matter all that much for .308 in terms of human lethality? Will .308 inside of 300 yards or so just straight up smoke a nigga (black or otherwise)?

I've read a lot about game bullets and match bullets. Match bullets are stupid accurate but don't make any promises on expansion. But assuming it was a human target, would it even matter? It's a .308. Would a game bullet really be an improvement?

Shooting gel or clay close range is fucking insane with an AR-10, so I'd say ball ammo should be fine from a decent barrel length. Basically the M193 thing, it works great if it's fast enough.
If you want something extra I'd use hunting ammo or file enough to expose lead if you're down bad. If you find some "varmint" loads those would be awesome for a lot of stuff, since you're still getting about 5.56 penetration but with much more punch. Even a plain old solf point is pretty legit, it'll knock the fuck out of a deer no problem.

No clue on distance though, not really much out there for gel tests. Best bet is to look at distance/power charts and then a Buffman Range or other video with a shorter barrel showing that same power closer in.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

or file enough to expose lead if you're down bad.

does anyone know if the old G.I. trick of cutting a X into ball ammo actually works? if so, then that is something you could do if down bad.

 

[Akran]

Any FAL/L1A1 experienced kiwis? I have a L1A1 that's marked for 7.62x51 but I get weak ejection and it only cycles ok at the 2 setting. The previous owner has. 308 cases in a bag with a box of stuff for it, I was going to buy some and see if that fixes my issues but I find it odd

 

[Club Sandwich]

Hey Clubby, in your experience, who is making excellent .22 LR rounds these days? For plinking or for hunting small game.

i've had the best luck with CCI Mini Mags (and for small game Velocitor) are great for sheer reliability and versatility with Eley Tenax for actual repeatable accuracy (in a competition setting). Aguila Super Extra plated 40gr and Federal Champion or Automatch (or M-22) works for blasting ammo in a lot of .22LR guns i've tried them with, both my own and with other people. a close third place with Aguila/Federal might be Remington Golden Bullet - now it's generally not all that great but for people that use a conversion kit from Advantage Arms, Marvell, CMMG, Colt, Beretta, CZ, et c for a .22LR pistol they work surprisingly well. Thunderbolt and a lot of other stuff i keep for manual actions only (revolvers, repeaters, et c). shout out to SK ammo which works really good in a lot of .22 handguns, but i haven't tried it in a lot of different firearms to really say they're was "wide ranging" as CCI mini mags.

I never got the point of the M4 with only a 3 round burst with no full auto. Like its barely better than a civvie AR-15 in my perspective. It sounds like it was adopted from a very bureaucratic perspective.

it was a hold over from the M16A2 carbine project. the M4A1 returned back to offering full auto, but since 90% of the time we were shooting semi anyway it wasn't a big deal unless you really needed to achieve fire superiority - and that wasn't even the job of someone with a carbine anyway. since the carbine was so versatile and hit the right size, weight, compatibility, and price it became a bit of a defacto cool guy gun instead of bespoke spooky stuff that was in some cases too specialized. maybe the M4 wasn't the best at everything, but short of walking around with a couple fire teams with a longer logistical train to have a bunch of specialized tools for different situations it was an awful lot nicer to carry a carbine and kind of do most things well and have only one or two specialists with you. you can also rather easily bolt stuff onto an M4 in many ways (gangster grips, clamps for lights or optics, et c) for mission specific situations.

i used the gangster grip with a slightly cut down A2 grip for a long time since it pre-dated the RIS, and when some cool guys showed us the ARMS swan sleeve and SIR system, i made sure to snag that. i still have mine even after my service since i bought that with my own money

does anyone know if the old G.I. trick of cutting a X into ball ammo actually works? if so, then that is something you could do if down bad.

iirc that only ever worked for flat meplats (where the bullet has a flat nose rather than round) and you used a knife edge to cut out a wedges so the soft lead would obturate ("flower open" basically) when hitting leather or flesh or bone and encouraged the lead to break up a bit making the wound much worse. it has little effect on jacketed or hard cast ammo unless you load your ammo backwards (so the base is now exposed) and you purposely do it to induce tumbling.

Any FAL/L1A1 experienced kiwis? I have a L1A1 that's marked for 7.62x51 but I get weak ejection and it only cycles ok at the 2 setting. The previous owner has. 308 cases in a bag with a box of stuff for it, I was going to buy some and see if that fixes my issues but I find it odd

use a sharpie on the piston to see if it's dragging anywhere, make sure there isn't weird crud that might be blocking the gas port. if there is a leak, check if gas is leaving streaks of carbon around the gas block. if it's a kit gun, where did the barrel come from? you can use a little pin vise and drill bit to drill out the gas port slightly so the rifle cycles reliably at setting 5 (6 and 7 should be weak or not cycle at all). you shouldn't mix and match inch and metric parts ever with the FAL as there are many sutble dimensional changes where you get inconsistent performance.

 

[74164978231]

I never got the point of the M4 with only a 3 round burst with no full auto. Like its barely better than a civvie AR-15 in my perspective. It sounds like it was adopted from a very bureaucratic perspective.

The people in charge of military small arms are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

You have to understand the people running the projects will never actually use the weapons that will be delivered. Their only goal is to look good managing the project. End result idiotic weapon after idiotic weapon.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

does anyone know if the old G.I. trick of cutting a X into ball ammo actually works? if so, then that is something you could do if down bad.

On pistols it's not super awesome, just because there's not enough force to make shallow slashes do very much.
On the other hand, filing the tip off a FMJ rifle bullet to expose lead is essentially making a shitty OTM, which is basically just a micro hollow point. The more you file the crazier it gets though, so past a point you'd be doing more harm than good with no penetration and a massive entry.
I wouldn't suggest it if you're even thinking about barriers, but for soft targets only it'd be alright. Again, if you're down bad and don't have a better option since this doesn't help accuracy.

 

[Foley]

The Magpul Pmag and better followers on metal mags essentially fixed 99% of issues with STANAGs

Sort of. The fundamental design of the magwell and release is still "an issue". "An issue" in quotations because it's not really that big of a deal, if it was it would've been changed already. But like I said, a latch style of release would be more robust.

STANAG is so widespread today that the sheer economy of scale makes it easy to accept the "flaws" in the design.

 

[WelperHelper99]

it was a hold over from the M16A2 carbine project. the M4A1 returned back to offering full auto, but since 90% of the time we were shooting semi anyway it wasn't a big deal unless you really needed to achieve fire superiority - and that wasn't even the job of someone with a carbine anyway. since the carbine was so versatile and hit the right size, weight, compatibility, and price it became a bit of a defacto cool guy gun instead of bespoke spooky stuff that was in some cases too specialized. maybe the M4 wasn't the best at everything, but short of walking around with a couple fire teams with a longer logistical train to have a bunch of specialized tools for different situations it was an awful lot nicer to carry a carbine and kind of do most things well and have only one or two specialists with you. you can also rather easily bolt stuff onto an M4 in many ways (gangster grips, clamps for lights or optics, et c) for mission specific situations.

i used the gangster grip with a slightly cut down A2 grip for a long time since it pre-dated the RIS, and when some cool guys showed us the ARMS swan sleeve and SIR system, i made sure to snag that. i still have mine even after my service since i bought that with my own money

I like the feedback honestly. I've been interested in the M4 for years tbh.

After having held my fair share of rifles over the years, AR's included, I am a fan of the 20 inch barrel profile, be it a AR or my SKS. But it's interesting hearing why people like shortie rifles. I know it's good for vehicles, easier to dismount a bradley than a 20 inch M16. You brought up mounting rails. I know the M16A4 had rail space.

Did you ever use the A4, any opinions on it? Personally when I finally break for a AR, I want it to either be a A2 or A4 clone. Gives me the 20 inch heavy barrel and a classic feel.

The people in charge of military small arms are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

You have to understand the people running the projects will never actually use the weapons that will be delivered. Their only goal is to look good managing the project. End result idiotic weapon after idiotic weapon.

I mean that's how we got the XM7. It should be a DMR, but they're trying to force it on everyone as a main rifle. That's how I see the 3 round burst on early M4's. It saves ammo or something, so they put it in, not thinking there would be spray and pray situations.

 

[WelperHelper99]

so i finally broke down and bought me a russian made SKS. i had to get it through my head that my dream of seeing the prices on them drop back down is long dead and gay. i got it for a decent prioce and it was in very good shape. i am happy with it.

for ammo i shot ATS brand 7.62x39 and was impressed with it. it shot well and was pretty clean compared to some ammo ive shot. found it here: 540 rounds for $264 and free shipping. which i think is a decent price for what i consider to be pretty good ammo.


i also got to experience another 'douchebags with expensive guns who cant shoot' at the range today.
when i was at the range with it, i was shooting next to two guys who had very expensive AR setups. they had nice precision stocks and a nice scope on one and a nice red dot on the other. they also sucked at shooting. this range has steel targets set up at 100 yards. in between shooting my rifle i paid attention to their shooting and they missed those targets far more than they should while i was hitting them pretty consistently with my iron sights on a 70 year old rifle (though i did miss a few times, but it was far less than those guys did.)

once more, buying expensive gear doesn't make you good at shooting, it just makes you a zero skill douchebag with a gun way too expensive for your skill level.


overall i am pretty happy with my new rifle. the SKS is such a great rifle.


coincidentally when i was getting my SKS transferred there was a guy there buying a deagle.

Sorry for the double post, but as a SKS guy, glad you got in. Yeah the cheap SKS days are dead. That said there are a lot on the market in good condition. Glad you found one of those and a good supply of ammo. I'll have to look into that. It's a great bump in the night gun. It's not just that it's in 7.62x39mm, it also has a bayonet. Pure intimidation factor.

Amazon has all the accessories you need btw. Getting it into Full milsurp shape with a accurate sling, chest rig, and trapdoor cleaning kit is cheap. Also stripper clips are cheap as fuck. Buy a box of 20 and you're good to go.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

Sorry for the double post, but as a SKS guy, glad you got in. Yeah the cheap SKS days are dead. That said there are a lot on the market in good condition. Glad you found one of those and a good supply of ammo. I'll have to look into that. It's a great bump in the night gun. It's not just that it's in 7.62x39mm, it also has a bayonet. Pure intimidation factor.

Amazon has all the accessories you need btw. Getting it into Full milsurp shape with a accurate sling, chest rig, and trapdoor cleaning kit is cheap. Also stripper clips are cheap as fuck. Buy a box of 20 and you're good to go.

yep, my gun came with a surplus sling already on it. i also bought an east german ammo pouch and a 10 pack of stripper clips,though i feel i need a few more so ill probably buy another pack of them. i dont have it yet, but i also got a buttstock cleaning kit on order. i have one for my ak, and while i never really used it, i like having them for completeness sake.

and yeah, i like the bayonet on it. i always hate seeing the ones where people cut those off. i understand some of it is due to commies in california, but some of it is also the bubba'd guns. i feel the same way with the grenade launching muzzle device on the yugos, i hate seeing those get circumcised.

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

replaced the AP5's weird piccolo dick handguard with the triangle with mlok slots. i don't mind the folding brace but who are we kidding, we need that telescoping stock on there. did magpul stop making their MP5 brace?

 

[EggImpregnator]

This is actually an INSANE deal

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/used-glock-45-gen-5-9mm-4-barrel-3-magazines-pistol

 

[Dean Pentel]

i've had the best luck with CCI Mini Mags (and for small game Velocitor) are great for sheer reliability and versatility with Eley Tenax for actual repeatable accuracy (in a competition setting).

By coincidence I have a bit of CCI Mini Mags already. I'll order some Velocitor too. I'd never heard of Eley. Rather expensive for a common rimfire round, which I did not expect.

(gangster grips, clamps for lights or optics, et c)

Giving this geriatric those feelz, man.

Did you ever use the A4, any opinions on it? Personally when I finally break for a AR, I want it to either be a A2 or A4 clone. Gives me the 20 inch heavy barrel and a classic feel.

In boot. Clubby, did you feel a bit sad when you had to turn yours back in? Like you knew that rifle, all its numbers, all its scuffs/scratches, how everything felt and sounded when it moved, how badass snapping in felt, how you'd sand that nub off the grip if you could because fuck that thing, etc.

I recommend the A4 clone. I'm all nostalgic for the A2 because it was the first M16 I ever fired (thank you JROTC), but I feel the A4 has more utility. If you opt for a quad rail on yours make sure you get rail covers and keep them on for sections not in use. It's a lot easier than you think to accidentally knock a dent into one of the Pic sections. Probably you won't get yelled at if you do but I'm just sayin'.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

By coincidence I have a bit of CCI Mini Mags already. I'll order some Velocitor too. I'd never heard of Eley. Rather expensive for a common rimfire round, which I did not expect.

Giving this geriatric those feelz, man.

In boot. Clubby, did you feel a bit sad when you had to turn yours back in? Like you knew that rifle, all its numbers, all its scuffs/scratches, how everything felt and sounded when it moved, how badass snapping in felt, how you'd sand that nub off the grip if you could because fuck that thing, etc.

I recommend the A4 clone. I'm all nostalgic for the A2 because it was the first M16 I ever fired (thank you JROTC), but I feel the A4 has more utility. If you opt for a quad rail on yours make sure you get rail covers and keep them on for sections not in use. It's a lot easier than you think to accidentally knock a dent into one of the Pic sections. Probably you won't get yelled at if you do but I'm just sayin'.

The only A2 group style nub that's actually ok is the one on the FAB AGR-43 as it's actually rubber and kinda soft not hard plastic

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Sorry for the double post, but as a SKS guy, glad you got in. Yeah the cheap SKS days are dead. That said there are a lot on the market in good condition. Glad you found one of those and a good supply of ammo. I'll have to look into that. It's a great bump in the night gun. It's not just that it's in 7.62x39mm, it also has a bayonet. Pure intimidation factor.

It's hilarious (and sad) how retards think someone with bayonet charges an intruder in your house is suddenly not self defense by the virtue of you confronting them.

Also, I need everyone's greatest shitposts on American built AK failings. My grandfather keeps trying to get me to buy AKs saying that "even an American AK will be forever more reliable than a AR pattern rifle" and that 5.56 is a shit round. I keep telling him US AKs are shit because of 922r and poor worksmanship. He thinks you can just import AKs whole piece as a capture like it was the 60s or something.

I'm tempted to buy a kit gun and convert it into 5.56 or .300 BO just to make him angry. I'm a little more tempted to build a inch FAL though.

Any FAL/L1A1 experienced kiwis? I have a L1A1 that's marked for 7.62x51 but I get weak ejection and it only cycles ok at the 2 setting. The previous owner has. 308 cases in a bag with a box of stuff for it, I was going to buy some and see if that fixes my issues but I find it odd

Is it a Century import? If so make sure it doesn't blow up in your face first.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's hilarious (and sad) how retards think someone with bayonet charges an intruder in your house is suddenly not self defense by the virtue of you confronting them.

It's literally a spear. That is ancient self defense. If someone breaks in, you go full force and scare the fuck out of them and hopefully make them fuck up.

 

[74164978231]

Did you ever use the A4, any opinions on it? Personally when I finally break for a AR, I want it to either be a A2 or A4 clone. Gives me the 20 inch heavy barrel and a classic feel.

Carried one of those for a year in Iraq.

Only reason to get one is if you want a GWOT clone rifle. Theres simply no point in a fixed stock and 20 inch barrel unless its a dmr/sniper rifle. Thing was a huge pita wearing body armor and getting in/out of vehicles.

I mean that's how we got the XM7. It should be a DMR, but they're trying to force it on everyone as a main rifle. That's how I see the 3 round burst on early M4's. It saves ammo or something, so they put it in, not thinking there would be spray and pray situations.

Thats just it. They wanted to save ammo but never actually tried using it to see how utterly pointless it was. It was so horrifically pointless that never once during all my training up to and in Iraq incorporated 3 round burst.

 

[wopirish]

Anyone here ever see an old Mauser Geha in person? I picked one up years ago, Its a post WW1 modification of a mauser to fire shotgun shells.

https://www.guns.com/firearms/shotguns/bolt-action/germany-mauser-geha-12-ga-2-rounds-26-5-barrel-used?p=530367&soldout=1