Mega Rad Gun Thread

[S.C.U.D.]

it's there, but typically not as thick or is a spray polymer which is very thin and doesn't gum up. a similar spray polymer is used in eastern bloc 7.62x39mm ammo pretty commonly. automatch only lubricated the lead round nose (LRN) as they used cheaper powder that was a bit dirtier than what was used in federal champion which, because of cleaner powder and using better lead alloy bullets, only needed very little external lubrication. the lubricant was to offer better extraction in revolvers, repeaters (pump, lever, et c) and bolt action rifles. automatics have a higher cadence of fire and tended to gum up with cheaper powder faster.

old lubricant on cheap lead bullets would dry and become flaky while the lead turned white. this combo created lead frosting:
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it can be wiped off with alcohol or any keytone like kerosene, acetone, et c. but bone dry unlubricated .22 LRN with cheap bullets will very quickly foul a bore with leading and can result in stuck cases. there isn't a lot of rim to use to grab onto and yank it out after all, and it's hollow too...

plated tends to avoid a lot of these problems. in the specific case of aguila plated (or really any wax you want to remove) you can melt it off with the trash bag method or with paint thinners and a brush, et c. don't like a little work stop you from cheap ammo.

I bought some guy's massive stash of .22 off of Armslist back in 2013 and I still haven't even touched half of it, a lot of it is old Eley ammo of various types that had lead frosting on it but I never knew what it was until I read your post, thanks.

 

[Samhain]

Regardless of specific barrel and rail, most modern rails heat up fairly quickly. Gloves, rail covers, vertical grips, or a combination of the three are what will mitigate the issue. I don’t care for gloves or vertical grips, but I use the Wisemen Company Hot Pocket.

You're not wrong. There are some beefier MLOK handguards out there with wider internal diameters that aren't as quick to heat up as many others, but they also tend to be more expensive. I use the Magpul Type 2 rail covers on all of my MLOK handguards, mostly for how grippy they are, but they do provide a small amount of heat mitigation. I haven't tried the Hot Pocket, but I've heard they work really well.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I've been thinking of building a 762x39 AR for fun. I really like the PSA KS-47 receiver set purely because it can take drums and a wider variety of AK mags. I would only get the receiver set tho. The barrel and bolt I'd get from better manufacturers.

A few years back i remember seeing an article about a picture of a socom guy in africa with a 762x39 AR that uses 762AR mags. And it put this little idea in my head of getting an AR that takes AK mags in the very unlikely circumstance i find myself needing a rifle in a 3rd world environment.

Cmmg mutant

 

[Romulus augustulus]

here's also a question which companies would actually SELL full autos to civies

The big MIC contractors might not but companies like Ruger, S&W? absolutely yes. its money on the table.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

The QBZ-191 is a gas piston driven rifle with ..... A reciprocating right side charging handle

the QBZ-191 is a short-stroke gas gun (like the AR-18 ) with a bolt carrier assembly that looks more like a piston AR but with a lever to lock the cam pin & uses a fixed ejector. the only thing discernably "ak" about it is the FCG, the ejector, and maybe the bolt face if we're gonna go into parts of parts.
yeah it has a reciprocating right-side charging handle but thats like reversing the charging handle on a SCAR (the non-NRCH one) and calling it an AK.
In summary: Eugene stoner CHADS win again, kalashniCHUDS keep losing

 

[EggImpregnator]

the QBZ-191 is a short-stroke gas gun (like the AR-18 ) with a bolt carrier assembly that looks more like a piston AR but with a lever to lock the cam pin & uses a fixed ejector. the only thing discernably "ak" about it is the FCG, the ejector, and maybe the bolt face if we're gonna go into parts of parts.
yeah it has a reciprocating right-side charging handle but thats like reversing the charging handle on a SCAR (the non-NRCH one) and calling it an AK.
In summary: Eugene stoner CHADS win again, kalashniCHUDS keep losing

This is retarded, the 191 is in no way derivative of the AR 15 or AR18. Its a hodgepodge of various parts (non domestically invented) the Chinese mixed matched to their liking.

 

[Dean Pentel]

.22 LR stuff

Hey Clubby, in your experience, who is making excellent .22 LR rounds these days? For plinking or for hunting small game.

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I heard horrible things about the sr556, but I have to say, I am a big fan of it so far. Its a bit heavy, but it doesn't jump much, and so far has ran flawlessly (with the exception of when I tried to run a busted theramelt mag in it. Shooting it today put out like 2.5in groups at 100yds.

Does Ruger still produce these? I was pleasantly surprised by how good their MPR is given its price point. I picked up one of their 8529s because it was on sale at a good price. BCM rifles are better but not by as much as the price difference would imply.

it is not orthodox, but i have always liked piston ARs

Same here. I prefer the long stroke piston system, but not to the exclusion of internal piston rifles.

I wish Sig would bring back the 550 rifles that used STANAG mags, sad that I missed out on one when the getting was good. No, I don't want a "real one" that takes the unobtanium Swiss magazines, because I would like more than two on hand incase I have to you know... use it.

Right? I get why that will never happen given that Sig is almost like the new Colt but it's too bad nobody else makes a rifle like that. If they gave that series a few modern touches and re-released it I bet it'd sell well even at the ridiculous price we all know they'd charge for it.

The ELW barrel profile is essentially a pencil barrel, I'm not a fan

Why not?

Edit: I purchased Burn Proof Gear rail raps thinking I'd need them for sure. Those work as advertised, as I was able to run 4 magazines damn quick and still hold on to the rail with bare hands (though it was for sure hot). It definitely could happen that one may get ambushed in a non-mil setting and need to lay down suppressing fire to get clear, but that seems highly improbable. I don't think they're useless, but I'd group such things in with lots of aftermarket stuff most of us get that we really don't need (ambi charging handles/safeties, braided buffer springs, etc.).

Also, @Falcos_Commisar, hard agree with you on Criterion barrels. Not cheap but well worth it if one has the money when piecing together an AR or changing barrels for whatever reason.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Hey Clubby, in your experience, who is making excellent .22 LR rounds these days? For plinking or for hunting small game.

Does Ruger still produce these? I was pleasantly surprised by how good their MPR is given its price point. I picked up one of their 8529s because it was on sale at a good price. BCM rifles are better but not by as much as the price difference would imply.

Same here. I prefer the long stroke piston system, but not to the exclusion of internal piston rifles.

Right? I get why that will never happen given that Sig is almost like the new Colt but it's too bad nobody else makes a rifle like that. If they gave that series a few modern touches and re-released it I bet it'd sell well even at the ridiculous price we all know they'd charge for it.

Why not?

Pencil barrels heat up extremely fast and start losing accuracy faster than any other barrel profile. They'll also exhibit a greater PoI shift than any other barrel with a suppressor.

The BA Hanson, Colt SF, and Criterion Core barrel profiles are nearly perfect for a modern AR carbine/rifle.

 

[WelperHelper99]

in the 90's i was part of standby forces for the situations happening in Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, and Sierra Lione to extraction of VIPs out of some dangerous goings on. some of the guys i was with were there in Mogadishu in 1993 and we were talking kit a little and i had a fairly early M4 (with 3rd burst). as per them, almost entirely Colt 723s and 727s (14.5" barrel) with a few CAR-15 Commandos (11.5" barrel) and even some XM177's (10.5 mostly with grenade ring) thrown in and that having full auto on tap was handy in urban fighting purely from volume of fire until you could get an M60 or SAW on target. regular infantry had M16A2 with a few A1E1's unless you were activated NG or armor where you had some vietnam or even korean war stuff. the short carbines were not common even among cool guys.

I never got the point of the M4 with only a 3 round burst with no full auto. Like its barely better than a civvie AR-15 in my perspective. It sounds like it was adopted from a very bureaucratic perspective.

 

[EggImpregnator]

Im a pencil barrel supremacist. Modern manufacturing processes of made pencil barrels the premier choice of barrel profile. All the tired talking points that are brought out against them haven't been true since the 1990s. Even then, they were really only half truths to begin with. The fact is, theres a very small set of circumstances where pencils are suboptimal (outside of a military setting). The average person would find it wildly more beneficial to have a lighter weight, more handy rifle, than something that has slightly less POI shift after getting into a 5 hour fantasy gunfight.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

Does Ruger still produce these?

Sadly no. They replaced it with the AR 556. Apparently the price point had to be too high to turn a profit

I've been thinking of building a 762x39 AR for fun. I really like the PSA KS-47 receiver set purely because it can take drums and a wider variety of AK mags. I would only get the receiver set tho. The barrel and bolt I'd get from better manufacturers.

Try and find a CMMG lower. The PSA ones have had issues with wear when using surp steel mags. Supposedly though. I never noticed any issues, but if ya want to build something quality, use quality components.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

Sadly no. They replaced it with the AR 556. Apparently the price point had to be too high to turn a profit

sucks they arnt still produced. saw one for a good price at a pawn shop out of state a while back. wish i would have picked it up.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

sucks they arnt still produced. saw one for a good price at a pawn shop out of state a while back. wish i would have picked it up.

I got mine at a pawn shop at a good price about a month back. Finally had a chance to shoot it and had a great time with it.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Im a pencil barrel supremacist. Modern manufacturing processes of made pencil barrels the premier choice of barrel profile. All the tired talking points that are brought out against them haven't been true since the 1990s. Even then, they were really only half truths to begin with. The fact is, theres a very small set of circumstances where pencils are suboptimal (outside of a military setting). The average person would find it wildly more beneficial to have a lighter weight, more handy rifle, than something that has slightly less POI shift after getting into a 5 hour fantasy gunfight.

I also like pencil barrels, but I don’t notice much difference from a pencil barrel to a medium balanced taper barrel.

I have a BCM ELW 14.5, and another upper with the same BCM 13” rail and a balanced taper 16” that is 6oz heavier. The 14.5 weighs 8lbs 2oz loaded, and the 16 weighs 8lbs 8oz. Both running Eotechs and Surefire DF 18650 scout lights. Magnifier adds 12oz.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

I finally got to hold a Desert Eagle at a gun shop today and it made me think of our brave commander Jace "Stryker" Connors. Semper fidelis to all gamers and the Deagle Nation.

Also I bought my first can. Sig SRD 9 because that was all that was in stock.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

so i finally broke down and bought me a russian made SKS. i had to get it through my head that my dream of seeing the prices on them drop back down is long dead and gay. i got it for a decent prioce and it was in very good shape. i am happy with it.

for ammo i shot ATS brand 7.62x39 and was impressed with it. it shot well and was pretty clean compared to some ammo ive shot. found it here: 540 rounds for $264 and free shipping. which i think is a decent price for what i consider to be pretty good ammo.


i also got to experience another 'douchebags with expensive guns who cant shoot' at the range today.
when i was at the range with it, i was shooting next to two guys who had very expensive AR setups. they had nice precision stocks and a nice scope on one and a nice red dot on the other. they also sucked at shooting. this range has steel targets set up at 100 yards. in between shooting my rifle i paid attention to their shooting and they missed those targets far more than they should while i was hitting them pretty consistently with my iron sights on a 70 year old rifle (though i did miss a few times, but it was far less than those guys did.)

once more, buying expensive gear doesn't make you good at shooting, it just makes you a zero skill douchebag with a gun way too expensive for your skill level.


overall i am pretty happy with my new rifle. the SKS is such a great rifle.

I finally got to hold a Desert Eagle at a gun shop today and it made me think of our brave commander Jace "Stryker" Connors. Semper fidelis to all gamers and the Deagle Nation.

coincidentally when i was getting my SKS transferred there was a guy there buying a deagle.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I never got the point of the M4 with only a 3 round burst with no full auto. Like its barely better than a civvie AR-15 in my perspective. It sounds like it was adopted from a very bureaucratic perspective.

Burst fire can serve a role but that's with (unicorn) niche weapons like the AN-94 with the reciprocating weight mechanism.Don't forget this is the bureaucracy that refused to adopt the EM-2 or intermediates cartridges until forced to because "fuck ideas from other countries".

I still argue if your ass has to dismount/mount repeatedly the bullpup ought to be used more often. Someone someday will design an intermediate round bullpup with a P90 like mag and forward+downward ejection pattern. Imagine a ~30 round .300 BO, integrally suppressed and shorter than an M4 with stock fully retracted and a 9" barrel...

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I have a (genuinely) hypothetical question. Does bullet choice matter all that much for .308 in terms of human lethality? Will .308 inside of 300 yards or so just straight up smoke a nigga (black or otherwise)?

I've read a lot about game bullets and match bullets. Match bullets are stupid accurate but don't make any promises on expansion. But assuming it was a human target, would it even matter? It's a .308. Would a game bullet really be an improvement?

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I have a (genuinely) hypothetical question. Does bullet choice matter all that much for .308 in terms of human lethality? Will .308 inside of 300 yards or so just straight up smoke a nigga (black or otherwise)?

I've read a lot about game bullets and match bullets. Match bullets are stupid accurate but don't make any promises on expansion. But assuming it was a human target, would it even matter? It's a .308. Would a game bullet really be an improvement?

Shot placement is what matters. Expanding bullets will increase the chances of hitting something vital or causing more bleeding. Getting shot with a rifle is definitely gonna suck no matter what, but getting shot just starts a timer. Hitting the heart, brain, or spine is an “off” switch.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

coincidentally when i was getting my SKS transferred there was a guy there buying a deagle.

Which caliber was it? The one I got to see was .44 mag, so at least the ammo is semi practical.