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Hey Clubby, in your experience, who is making excellent .22 LR rounds these days? For plinking or for hunting small game.
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I heard horrible things about the sr556, but I have to say, I am a big fan of it so far. Its a bit heavy, but it doesn't jump much, and so far has ran flawlessly (with the exception of when I tried to run a busted theramelt mag in it. Shooting it today put out like 2.5in groups at 100yds.
Does Ruger still produce these? I was pleasantly surprised by how good their MPR is given its price point. I picked up one of their 8529s because it was on sale at a good price. BCM rifles are better but not by as much as the price difference would imply.
it is not orthodox, but i have always liked piston ARs
Same here. I prefer the long stroke piston system, but not to the exclusion of internal piston rifles.
I wish Sig would bring back the 550 rifles that used STANAG mags, sad that I missed out on one when the getting was good. No, I don't want a "real one" that takes the unobtanium Swiss magazines, because I would like more than two on hand incase I have to you know... use it.
Right? I get why that will never happen given that Sig is almost like the new Colt but it's too bad nobody else makes a rifle like that. If they gave that series a few modern touches and re-released it I bet it'd sell well even at the ridiculous price we all know they'd charge for it.
The ELW barrel profile is essentially a pencil barrel, I'm not a fan
Why not?

Edit: I purchased Burn Proof Gear rail raps thinking I'd need them for sure. Those work as advertised, as I was able to run 4 magazines damn quick and still hold on to the rail with bare hands (though it was for sure hot). It definitely could happen that one may get ambushed in a non-mil setting and need to lay down suppressing fire to get clear, but that seems highly improbable. I don't think they're useless, but I'd group such things in with lots of aftermarket stuff most of us get that we really don't need (ambi charging handles/safeties, braided buffer springs, etc.).

Also, @Falcos_Commisar, hard agree with you on Criterion barrels. Not cheap but well worth it if one has the money when piecing together an AR or changing barrels for whatever reason.
 
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Hey Clubby, in your experience, who is making excellent .22 LR rounds these days? For plinking or for hunting small game.

Does Ruger still produce these? I was pleasantly surprised by how good their MPR is given its price point. I picked up one of their 8529s because it was on sale at a good price. BCM rifles are better but not by as much as the price difference would imply.

Same here. I prefer the long stroke piston system, but not to the exclusion of internal piston rifles.

Right? I get why that will never happen given that Sig is almost like the new Colt but it's too bad nobody else makes a rifle like that. If they gave that series a few modern touches and re-released it I bet it'd sell well even at the ridiculous price we all know they'd charge for it.

Why not?

Pencil barrels heat up extremely fast and start losing accuracy faster than any other barrel profile. They'll also exhibit a greater PoI shift than any other barrel with a suppressor.

The BA Hanson, Colt SF, and Criterion Core barrel profiles are nearly perfect for a modern AR carbine/rifle.
 
in the 90's i was part of standby forces for the situations happening in Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, and Sierra Lione to extraction of VIPs out of some dangerous goings on. some of the guys i was with were there in Mogadishu in 1993 and we were talking kit a little and i had a fairly early M4 (with 3rd burst). as per them, almost entirely Colt 723s and 727s (14.5" barrel) with a few CAR-15 Commandos (11.5" barrel) and even some XM177's (10.5 mostly with grenade ring) thrown in and that having full auto on tap was handy in urban fighting purely from volume of fire until you could get an M60 or SAW on target. regular infantry had M16A2 with a few A1E1's unless you were activated NG or armor where you had some vietnam or even korean war stuff. the short carbines were not common even among cool guys.
I never got the point of the M4 with only a 3 round burst with no full auto. Like its barely better than a civvie AR-15 in my perspective. It sounds like it was adopted from a very bureaucratic perspective.
 
Im a pencil barrel supremacist. Modern manufacturing processes of made pencil barrels the premier choice of barrel profile. All the tired talking points that are brought out against them haven't been true since the 1990s. Even then, they were really only half truths to begin with. The fact is, theres a very small set of circumstances where pencils are suboptimal (outside of a military setting). The average person would find it wildly more beneficial to have a lighter weight, more handy rifle, than something that has slightly less POI shift after getting into a 5 hour fantasy gunfight.
 
Does Ruger still produce these?
Sadly no. They replaced it with the AR 556. Apparently the price point had to be too high to turn a profit

I've been thinking of building a 762x39 AR for fun. I really like the PSA KS-47 receiver set purely because it can take drums and a wider variety of AK mags. I would only get the receiver set tho. The barrel and bolt I'd get from better manufacturers.
Try and find a CMMG lower. The PSA ones have had issues with wear when using surp steel mags. Supposedly though. I never noticed any issues, but if ya want to build something quality, use quality components.
 
Im a pencil barrel supremacist. Modern manufacturing processes of made pencil barrels the premier choice of barrel profile. All the tired talking points that are brought out against them haven't been true since the 1990s. Even then, they were really only half truths to begin with. The fact is, theres a very small set of circumstances where pencils are suboptimal (outside of a military setting). The average person would find it wildly more beneficial to have a lighter weight, more handy rifle, than something that has slightly less POI shift after getting into a 5 hour fantasy gunfight.
I also like pencil barrels, but I don’t notice much difference from a pencil barrel to a medium balanced taper barrel.

I have a BCM ELW 14.5, and another upper with the same BCM 13” rail and a balanced taper 16” that is 6oz heavier. The 14.5 weighs 8lbs 2oz loaded, and the 16 weighs 8lbs 8oz. Both running Eotechs and Surefire DF 18650 scout lights. Magnifier adds 12oz.
 
I finally got to hold a Desert Eagle at a gun shop today and it made me think of our brave commander Jace "Stryker" Connors. Semper fidelis to all gamers and the Deagle Nation.

Also I bought my first can. Sig SRD 9 because that was all that was in stock.
 
so i finally broke down and bought me a russian made SKS. i had to get it through my head that my dream of seeing the prices on them drop back down is long dead and gay. i got it for a decent prioce and it was in very good shape. i am happy with it.

for ammo i shot ATS brand 7.62x39 and was impressed with it. it shot well and was pretty clean compared to some ammo ive shot. found it here: 540 rounds for $264 and free shipping. which i think is a decent price for what i consider to be pretty good ammo.


i also got to experience another 'douchebags with expensive guns who cant shoot' at the range today.
when i was at the range with it, i was shooting next to two guys who had very expensive AR setups. they had nice precision stocks and a nice scope on one and a nice red dot on the other. they also sucked at shooting. this range has steel targets set up at 100 yards. in between shooting my rifle i paid attention to their shooting and they missed those targets far more than they should while i was hitting them pretty consistently with my iron sights on a 70 year old rifle (though i did miss a few times, but it was far less than those guys did.)

once more, buying expensive gear doesn't make you good at shooting, it just makes you a zero skill douchebag with a gun way too expensive for your skill level.


overall i am pretty happy with my new rifle. the SKS is such a great rifle.

I finally got to hold a Desert Eagle at a gun shop today and it made me think of our brave commander Jace "Stryker" Connors. Semper fidelis to all gamers and the Deagle Nation.
coincidentally when i was getting my SKS transferred there was a guy there buying a deagle. :deagleleft: :deagle:
 
I never got the point of the M4 with only a 3 round burst with no full auto. Like its barely better than a civvie AR-15 in my perspective. It sounds like it was adopted from a very bureaucratic perspective.
Burst fire can serve a role but that's with (unicorn) niche weapons like the AN-94 with the reciprocating weight mechanism.Don't forget this is the bureaucracy that refused to adopt the EM-2 or intermediates cartridges until forced to because "fuck ideas from other countries".

I still argue if your ass has to dismount/mount repeatedly the bullpup ought to be used more often. Someone someday will design an intermediate round bullpup with a P90 like mag and forward+downward ejection pattern. Imagine a ~30 round .300 BO, integrally suppressed and shorter than an M4 with stock fully retracted and a 9" barrel...
 
I have a (genuinely) hypothetical question. Does bullet choice matter all that much for .308 in terms of human lethality? Will .308 inside of 300 yards or so just straight up smoke a nigga (black or otherwise)?

I've read a lot about game bullets and match bullets. Match bullets are stupid accurate but don't make any promises on expansion. But assuming it was a human target, would it even matter? It's a .308. Would a game bullet really be an improvement?
 
I have a (genuinely) hypothetical question. Does bullet choice matter all that much for .308 in terms of human lethality? Will .308 inside of 300 yards or so just straight up smoke a nigga (black or otherwise)?

I've read a lot about game bullets and match bullets. Match bullets are stupid accurate but don't make any promises on expansion. But assuming it was a human target, would it even matter? It's a .308. Would a game bullet really be an improvement?
Shot placement is what matters. Expanding bullets will increase the chances of hitting something vital or causing more bleeding. Getting shot with a rifle is definitely gonna suck no matter what, but getting shot just starts a timer. Hitting the heart, brain, or spine is an “off” switch.
 
I have a (genuinely) hypothetical question. Does bullet choice matter all that much for .308 in terms of human lethality? Will .308 inside of 300 yards or so just straight up smoke a nigga (black or otherwise)?

I've read a lot about game bullets and match bullets. Match bullets are stupid accurate but don't make any promises on expansion. But assuming it was a human target, would it even matter? It's a .308. Would a game bullet really be an improvement?
Shooting gel or clay close range is fucking insane with an AR-10, so I'd say ball ammo should be fine from a decent barrel length. Basically the M193 thing, it works great if it's fast enough.
If you want something extra I'd use hunting ammo or file enough to expose lead if you're down bad. If you find some "varmint" loads those would be awesome for a lot of stuff, since you're still getting about 5.56 penetration but with much more punch. Even a plain old solf point is pretty legit, it'll knock the fuck out of a deer no problem.

No clue on distance though, not really much out there for gel tests. Best bet is to look at distance/power charts and then a Buffman Range or other video with a shorter barrel showing that same power closer in.
 
Any FAL/L1A1 experienced kiwis? I have a L1A1 that's marked for 7.62x51 but I get weak ejection and it only cycles ok at the 2 setting. The previous owner has. 308 cases in a bag with a box of stuff for it, I was going to buy some and see if that fixes my issues but I find it odd
 
Hey Clubby, in your experience, who is making excellent .22 LR rounds these days? For plinking or for hunting small game.
i've had the best luck with CCI Mini Mags (and for small game Velocitor) are great for sheer reliability and versatility with Eley Tenax for actual repeatable accuracy (in a competition setting). Aguila Super Extra plated 40gr and Federal Champion or Automatch (or M-22) works for blasting ammo in a lot of .22LR guns i've tried them with, both my own and with other people. a close third place with Aguila/Federal might be Remington Golden Bullet - now it's generally not all that great but for people that use a conversion kit from Advantage Arms, Marvell, CMMG, Colt, Beretta, CZ, et c for a .22LR pistol they work surprisingly well. Thunderbolt and a lot of other stuff i keep for manual actions only (revolvers, repeaters, et c). shout out to SK ammo which works really good in a lot of .22 handguns, but i haven't tried it in a lot of different firearms to really say they're was "wide ranging" as CCI mini mags.
I never got the point of the M4 with only a 3 round burst with no full auto. Like its barely better than a civvie AR-15 in my perspective. It sounds like it was adopted from a very bureaucratic perspective.
it was a hold over from the M16A2 carbine project. the M4A1 returned back to offering full auto, but since 90% of the time we were shooting semi anyway it wasn't a big deal unless you really needed to achieve fire superiority - and that wasn't even the job of someone with a carbine anyway. since the carbine was so versatile and hit the right size, weight, compatibility, and price it became a bit of a defacto cool guy gun instead of bespoke spooky stuff that was in some cases too specialized. maybe the M4 wasn't the best at everything, but short of walking around with a couple fire teams with a longer logistical train to have a bunch of specialized tools for different situations it was an awful lot nicer to carry a carbine and kind of do most things well and have only one or two specialists with you. you can also rather easily bolt stuff onto an M4 in many ways (gangster grips, clamps for lights or optics, et c) for mission specific situations.

i used the gangster grip with a slightly cut down A2 grip for a long time since it pre-dated the RIS, and when some cool guys showed us the ARMS swan sleeve and SIR system, i made sure to snag that. i still have mine even after my service since i bought that with my own money :)

does anyone know if the old G.I. trick of cutting a X into ball ammo actually works? if so, then that is something you could do if down bad.
iirc that only ever worked for flat meplats (where the bullet has a flat nose rather than round) and you used a knife edge to cut out a wedges so the soft lead would obturate ("flower open" basically) when hitting leather or flesh or bone and encouraged the lead to break up a bit making the wound much worse. it has little effect on jacketed or hard cast ammo unless you load your ammo backwards (so the base is now exposed) and you purposely do it to induce tumbling.
Any FAL/L1A1 experienced kiwis? I have a L1A1 that's marked for 7.62x51 but I get weak ejection and it only cycles ok at the 2 setting. The previous owner has. 308 cases in a bag with a box of stuff for it, I was going to buy some and see if that fixes my issues but I find it odd
use a sharpie on the piston to see if it's dragging anywhere, make sure there isn't weird crud that might be blocking the gas port. if there is a leak, check if gas is leaving streaks of carbon around the gas block. if it's a kit gun, where did the barrel come from? you can use a little pin vise and drill bit to drill out the gas port slightly so the rifle cycles reliably at setting 5 (6 and 7 should be weak or not cycle at all). you shouldn't mix and match inch and metric parts ever with the FAL as there are many sutble dimensional changes where you get inconsistent performance.
 
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I never got the point of the M4 with only a 3 round burst with no full auto. Like its barely better than a civvie AR-15 in my perspective. It sounds like it was adopted from a very bureaucratic perspective.
The people in charge of military small arms are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

You have to understand the people running the projects will never actually use the weapons that will be delivered. Their only goal is to look good managing the project. End result idiotic weapon after idiotic weapon.
 
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