Mega Rad Gun Thread

[FamicomGorby]

Im just wondering why no one has made a kel tec sub 2k that DOESN'T fold yet. The folding mechanism on the sub2k is clearly the biggest weakness. It adds complexity, fragility, and cost. You could make a sub 2k cheaper, stonger, and simpler by just making it a straight tube with plastic fittings. And you could probably sell it for 200$.

That's basically what the Hi-Point carbine is



Also all of those carbine conversion kits that get made for Glocks.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Funny, I've been looking at a 1911 lately and wondering about the difference between a 70 and 80. The one I wanted is only offered in series 70, and I wasn't sure of the implications. Sounds like I'm safe to get one as long as I'm not a total retard.

... so that's out.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

7.62x39 is outdated junk that the russians dont even fuck with anymore. Muh reliabilitah is 60 year old boomer fud lore. This is all evident in the fact that military procurment around the world favors the AR pattern (see the chinese qbz-191

Russia and many others still use 7.62x39 as it's stupid cheap and still reasonably effective.

The QBZ-191 is a gas piston driven rifle with ..... A reciprocating right side charging handle

See here https://youtu.be/bjsQ--XSviY?si=Ya2WLYYKmFXlu8Zo

And here: https://youtu.be/n5WoYo24QVU?si=6SZweLjTbTfFcq1N

The AR magwell and button is fast to use no doubt. It is also one of the few actual drawbacks of the rifle. You can over insert AR mags, and push button releases are prone to freezing when in cold climates. There is a reason that pretty much everyone else did a latch type of release on their guns before STANAG was a thing. And now everyone uses STANAG because... everyone uses it. Not because it's good.

And I'm not really coming at this from an AK angle. Like pick any 5.56 magazine system aside from STANAG, they are better. G36, FAMAS, SIG-550...

But not so much better that it would justify not using STANAG. We are gasping at straws here.

The Magpul Pmag and better followers on metal mags essentially fixed 99% of issues with STANAGs

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Arguing AK vs AR is like arguing mid-tier AR vs high-tier AR. Yeah one is objectively better but the margin is so small you probably aren't good of a shooter for it to matter.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Arguing AK vs AR is like arguing mid-tier AR vs high-tier AR. Yeah one is objectively better but the margin is so small you probably aren't good of a shooter for it to matter.

It’s one of those arguments that never dies because people love to argue about gear.

AR vs AK
Piston vs DI
9mm vs 45
Red dot vs irons
Red dot vs LPVO
Flashlights
Slings
Optic height
Etc….

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

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I heard horrible things about the sr556, but I have to say, I am a big fan of it so far. Its a bit heavy, but it doesn't jump much, and so far has ran flawlessly (with the exception of when I tried to run a busted theramelt mag in it. Shooting it today put out like 2.5in groups at 100yds.

it is not orthodox, but i have always liked piston ARs, which is why ive been interested in the sr556. then again i also think 7.62x39 ARs are interesting and would consider buying one. only thing i dont like is qaud rails. always hated them. give me a good ol' A1 handgaurd. also include the carry handle. i just really love the look of those old Vietnam M-16s

 

[BikeLock]

Russia and many others still use 7.62x39 as it's stupid cheap and still reasonably effective.

The QBZ-191 is a gas piston driven rifle with ..... A reciprocating right side charging handle

See here https://youtu.be/bjsQ--XSviY?si=Ya2WLYYKmFXlu8Zo

And here: https://youtu.be/n5WoYo24QVU?si=6SZweLjTbTfFcq1N



The Magpul Pmag and better followers on metal mags essentially fixed 99% of issues with STANAGs

If I ever get another 5.56 rifle, its going to use STANAG mags because I have a lot of them, and they are cheap.
For example, sure those waffle mags for the Steyr Aug are great, but make no sense anywhere but in Austria where they issue them. I can live without the bolt catch on the last round, just like with the AK.

I wish Sig would bring back the 550 rifles that used STANAG mags, sad that I missed out on one when the getting was good. No, I don't want a "real one" that takes the unobtanium Swiss magazines, because I would like more than two on hand incase I have to you know... use it.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Funny, I've been looking at a 1911 lately and wondering about the difference between a 70 and 80. The one I wanted is only offered in series 70, and I wasn't sure of the implications. Sounds like I'm safe to get one as long as I'm not a total retard.

... so that's out.

Dropping it on the muzzle is bad, trigger jobs bad. Springfield sidesteps the Series issue entirely with proprietary firing pin/spring voodoo but then it's also Springfield.

 

[shinto minto]

What do people think of the M&P Sport III? How does it compare to something like an M&P Sport II, a J.O.E. Carbine (mk1 or mk2), an IWI Zion-15, a PSA Sabre 15, a BCM Upper + Aero Lower abomination, etc for a first rifle? I assume it's all the same shit but you never know if one is a better deal than another.

 

[EggImpregnator]

What do people think of the M&P Sport III? How does it compare to something like an M&P Sport II, a J.O.E. Carbine (mk1 or mk2), an IWI Zion-15, a PSA Sabre 15, a BCM Upper + Aero Lower abomination, etc for a first rifle? I assume it's all the same shit but you never know if one is a better deal than another.

Get this

https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-standard-16-mid-length-enhanced-light-weight-upper-receiver-group-w-bcm-mcmr-15-handguard/

https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-paralow-hs503g-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-moe-ept-lower-black.html

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

What do people think of the M&P Sport III? How does it compare to something like an M&P Sport II, a J.O.E. Carbine (mk1 or mk2), an IWI Zion-15, a PSA Sabre 15, a BCM Upper + Aero Lower abomination, etc for a first rifle? I assume it's all the same shit but you never know if one is a better deal than another.

A M&P Sport 3 is better than the sport 2 in all ways.

The JOE rifle and the IWI Zion are REALLY close, get whatever is cheaper at the time. Both are better than the M&P in all but cost.

SABRE... Nice IF it's put together right, better than M&P.

BCM upper + Aero lower is excellent. Or the PSA complete lower with the EPT trigger. Better than M&P.

I'd get this BCM upper https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-mk2-standard-16-mid-length-upper-receiver-group-w-mcmr-13-handguard/

The ELW barrel profile is essentially a pencil barrel, I'm not a fan

You get the M&P if you want a cheap AR from a reputable corp. However, for ~$200 more than it's true selling price you can do better.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Funny, I've been looking at a 1911 lately and wondering about the difference between a 70 and 80. The one I wanted is only offered in series 70, and I wasn't sure of the implications. Sounds like I'm safe to get one as long as I'm not a total retard.

... so that's out.

I have a Dan Wesson 1911, its great.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Unless you have to run an AK if you want .30 caliber intermediate cartridge performance, the .300 BLK is ballistically superior and given current 7.62 prices, about on par in per-round-costs. Plus you can run it out of an AR, which I say is the ergonomically better platform.

In my case I have a SKS i got for cheap. That is a thing with 7.62x39mm, there are cheaper rifles than the AK that use it. With 300 blackout, even if its better, or equal, its basically locked to the AR platform and as such that price tag. You are right prices are about equal anymore, but the platforms that use it and costs just aren't.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-standard-16-mid-length-enhanced-light-weight-upper-receiver-group-w-bcm-mcmr-15-handguard/

BCM rails satisfy my autism of wanting the bottom of the rail completely flat

The ELW barrel profile is essentially a pencil barrel, I'm not a fan

Government profile isn’t any better. The ELW is fine for 300 yards and closer.

 

[Samhain]

What do people think of the M&P Sport III? How does it compare to something like an M&P Sport II, a J.O.E. Carbine (mk1 or mk2), an IWI Zion-15, a PSA Sabre 15, a BCM Upper + Aero Lower abomination, etc for a first rifle? I assume it's all the same shit but you never know if one is a better deal than another.

The JOE carbine and Zion-15 are close, but the JOE Carbine comes with a much nicer BCG. PSA Sabre might be fine, but I don't trust PSA's QC. BCM upper + Aero lower is still a solid choice, but avoid the ELW barrels unless you have a really compelling reason for wanting one. Too slim and too quick to heat up, which is a real problem when you get an upper with the MCMR handguard, which is one of the slimmest handguards out there.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

7.62x39 ARs are interesting and would consider buying one. only thing i dont like is qaud rails. always hated them. give me a good ol' A1 handgaurd. also include the carry handle. i just really love the look of those old Vietnam M-16s

7.62x39 ARs are neat, but I'm weird and prefer 6.8spc for non standard ARs. I agree that A1 handguards are cool, but the issue is attaching grips and lasers. Personally I would go with MLOK as its not super clunky and annoying to hold. Sadly, the SR556 doesn't accept MLOK, so I am stuck with what I got.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

The JOE carbine and Zion-15 are close, but the JOE Carbine comes with a much nicer BCG. PSA Sabre might be fine, but I don't trust PSA's QC. BCM upper + Aero lower is still a solid choice, but avoid the ELW barrels unless you have a really compelling reason for wanting one. Too slim and too quick to heat up, which is a real problem when you get an upper with the MCMR handguard, which is one of the slimmest handguards out there.

Agreed.

With the ZION, it it's cheap enough you can just use the price difference to get a nicer BCG

 

[EggImpregnator]

7.62x39 ARs are neat, but I'm weird and prefer 6.8spc for non standard ARs. I agree that A1 handguards are cool, but the issue is attaching grips and lasers. Personally I would go with MLOK as its not super clunky and annoying to hold. Sadly, the SR556 doesn't accept MLOK, so I am stuck with what I got.

I've been thinking of building a 762x39 AR for fun. I really like the PSA KS-47 receiver set purely because it can take drums and a wider variety of AK mags. I would only get the receiver set tho. The barrel and bolt I'd get from better manufacturers.

A few years back i remember seeing an article about a picture of a socom guy in africa with a 762x39 AR that uses 762AR mags. And it put this little idea in my head of getting an AR that takes AK mags in the very unlikely circumstance i find myself needing a rifle in a 3rd world environment.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

The JOE carbine and Zion-15 are close, but the JOE Carbine comes with a much nicer BCG. PSA Sabre might be fine, but I don't trust PSA's QC. BCM upper + Aero lower is still a solid choice, but avoid the ELW barrels unless you have a really compelling reason for wanting one. Too slim and too quick to heat up, which is a real problem when you get an upper with the MCMR handguard, which is one of the slimmest handguards out there.

Regardless of specific barrel and rail, most modern rails heat up fairly quickly. Gloves, rail covers, vertical grips, or a combination of the three are what will mitigate the issue. I don’t care for gloves or vertical grips, but I use the Wisemen Company Hot Pocket.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

piston ARs,

It's a shame the parts are proprietary and there's not too many uber-expensive options available. The T91 and maybe the BRN-180 comes to mind, the EVS "Bufferless" bolt is lmao "low rate initial production" . If someone comes up with an suppressed 77grn and a long barrel bipod as a squad automatic weapon a DMR out to 1000 yards maybe.
Oh wait, that's the AUG HBAR.
FAL is a better bet IMHO but 7.62 prices will choke you.

EDIT: .300 blackout bullpup with AR parts, your welcome whoever makes it.