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Falcos_Commisar said:
Russia and many others still use 7.62x39 as it's stupid cheap and still reasonably effective.

The QBZ-191 is a gas piston driven rifle with ..... A reciprocating right side charging handle 😳

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And here: https://youtu.be/n5WoYo24QVU?si=6SZweLjTbTfFcq1N



The Magpul Pmag and better followers on metal mags essentially fixed 99% of issues with STANAGs
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If I ever get another 5.56 rifle, its going to use STANAG mags because I have a lot of them, and they are cheap.
For example, sure those waffle mags for the Steyr Aug are great, but make no sense anywhere but in Austria where they issue them. I can live without the bolt catch on the last round, just like with the AK.

I wish Sig would bring back the 550 rifles that used STANAG mags, sad that I missed out on one when the getting was good. No, I don't want a "real one" that takes the unobtanium Swiss magazines, because I would like more than two on hand incase I have to you know... use it.
 
Lord of the Large Pants said:
Funny, I've been looking at a 1911 lately and wondering about the difference between a 70 and 80. The one I wanted is only offered in series 70, and I wasn't sure of the implications. Sounds like I'm safe to get one as long as I'm not a total retard.

... so that's out.
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Dropping it on the muzzle is bad, trigger jobs bad. Springfield sidesteps the Series issue entirely with proprietary firing pin/spring voodoo but then it's also Springfield.
 
shinto minto said:
What do people think of the M&P Sport III? How does it compare to something like an M&P Sport II, a J.O.E. Carbine (mk1 or mk2), an IWI Zion-15, a PSA Sabre 15, a BCM Upper + Aero Lower abomination, etc for a first rifle? I assume it's all the same shit but you never know if one is a better deal than another.
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shinto minto said:
What do people think of the M&P Sport III? How does it compare to something like an M&P Sport II, a J.O.E. Carbine (mk1 or mk2), an IWI Zion-15, a PSA Sabre 15, a BCM Upper + Aero Lower abomination, etc for a first rifle? I assume it's all the same shit but you never know if one is a better deal than another.
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A M&P Sport 3 is better than the sport 2 in all ways.

The JOE rifle and the IWI Zion are REALLY close, get whatever is cheaper at the time. Both are better than the M&P in all but cost.

SABRE... Nice IF it's put together right, better than M&P.

BCM upper + Aero lower is excellent. Or the PSA complete lower with the EPT trigger. Better than M&P.

I'd get this BCM upper https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-mk2-standard-16-mid-length-upper-receiver-group-w-mcmr-13-handguard/

The ELW barrel profile is essentially a pencil barrel, I'm not a fan

You get the M&P if you want a cheap AR from a reputable corp. However, for ~$200 more than it's true selling price you can do better.
 
Lord of the Large Pants said:
Funny, I've been looking at a 1911 lately and wondering about the difference between a 70 and 80. The one I wanted is only offered in series 70, and I wasn't sure of the implications. Sounds like I'm safe to get one as long as I'm not a total retard.

... so that's out.
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I have a Dan Wesson 1911, its great.
 
Dean Pentel said:
Unless you have to run an AK if you want .30 caliber intermediate cartridge performance, the .300 BLK is ballistically superior and given current 7.62 prices, about on par in per-round-costs. Plus you can run it out of an AR, which I say is the ergonomically better platform.
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In my case I have a SKS i got for cheap. That is a thing with 7.62x39mm, there are cheaper rifles than the AK that use it. With 300 blackout, even if its better, or equal, its basically locked to the AR platform and as such that price tag. You are right prices are about equal anymore, but the platforms that use it and costs just aren't.
 
shinto minto said:
What do people think of the M&P Sport III? How does it compare to something like an M&P Sport II, a J.O.E. Carbine (mk1 or mk2), an IWI Zion-15, a PSA Sabre 15, a BCM Upper + Aero Lower abomination, etc for a first rifle? I assume it's all the same shit but you never know if one is a better deal than another.
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The JOE carbine and Zion-15 are close, but the JOE Carbine comes with a much nicer BCG. PSA Sabre might be fine, but I don't trust PSA's QC. BCM upper + Aero lower is still a solid choice, but avoid the ELW barrels unless you have a really compelling reason for wanting one. Too slim and too quick to heat up, which is a real problem when you get an upper with the MCMR handguard, which is one of the slimmest handguards out there.
 
Neo-Nazi Rich Evans said:
7.62x39 ARs are interesting and would consider buying one. only thing i dont like is qaud rails. always hated them. give me a good ol' A1 handgaurd. also include the carry handle. i just really love the look of those old Vietnam M-16s
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7.62x39 ARs are neat, but I'm weird and prefer 6.8spc for non standard ARs. I agree that A1 handguards are cool, but the issue is attaching grips and lasers. Personally I would go with MLOK as its not super clunky and annoying to hold. Sadly, the SR556 doesn't accept MLOK, so I am stuck with what I got.
 
Samhain said:
The JOE carbine and Zion-15 are close, but the JOE Carbine comes with a much nicer BCG. PSA Sabre might be fine, but I don't trust PSA's QC. BCM upper + Aero lower is still a solid choice, but avoid the ELW barrels unless you have a really compelling reason for wanting one. Too slim and too quick to heat up, which is a real problem when you get an upper with the MCMR handguard, which is one of the slimmest handguards out there.
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Agreed.

With the ZION, it it's cheap enough you can just use the price difference to get a nicer BCG 😜
 
MrShekelstein36 said:
7.62x39 ARs are neat, but I'm weird and prefer 6.8spc for non standard ARs. I agree that A1 handguards are cool, but the issue is attaching grips and lasers. Personally I would go with MLOK as its not super clunky and annoying to hold. Sadly, the SR556 doesn't accept MLOK, so I am stuck with what I got.
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I've been thinking of building a 762x39 AR for fun. I really like the PSA KS-47 receiver set purely because it can take drums and a wider variety of AK mags. I would only get the receiver set tho. The barrel and bolt I'd get from better manufacturers.

A few years back i remember seeing an article about a picture of a socom guy in africa with a 762x39 AR that uses 762AR mags. And it put this little idea in my head of getting an AR that takes AK mags in the very unlikely circumstance i find myself needing a rifle in a 3rd world environment.
 
Samhain said:
The JOE carbine and Zion-15 are close, but the JOE Carbine comes with a much nicer BCG. PSA Sabre might be fine, but I don't trust PSA's QC. BCM upper + Aero lower is still a solid choice, but avoid the ELW barrels unless you have a really compelling reason for wanting one. Too slim and too quick to heat up, which is a real problem when you get an upper with the MCMR handguard, which is one of the slimmest handguards out there.
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Regardless of specific barrel and rail, most modern rails heat up fairly quickly. Gloves, rail covers, vertical grips, or a combination of the three are what will mitigate the issue. I don’t care for gloves or vertical grips, but I use the Wisemen Company Hot Pocket.
 
Neo-Nazi Rich Evans said:
piston ARs,
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It's a shame the parts are proprietary and there's not too many uber-expensive options available. The T91 and maybe the BRN-180 comes to mind, the EVS "Bufferless" bolt is lmao "low rate initial production" . If someone comes up with an suppressed 77grn and a long barrel bipod as a squad automatic weapon a DMR out to 1000 yards maybe.
Oh wait, that's the AUG HBAR.
FAL is a better bet IMHO but 7.62 prices will choke you.

EDIT: .300 blackout bullpup with AR parts, your welcome whoever makes it.
 
Club Sandwich said:
it's there, but typically not as thick or is a spray polymer which is very thin and doesn't gum up. a similar spray polymer is used in eastern bloc 7.62x39mm ammo pretty commonly. automatch only lubricated the lead round nose (LRN) as they used cheaper powder that was a bit dirtier than what was used in federal champion which, because of cleaner powder and using better lead alloy bullets, only needed very little external lubrication. the lubricant was to offer better extraction in revolvers, repeaters (pump, lever, et c) and bolt action rifles. automatics have a higher cadence of fire and tended to gum up with cheaper powder faster.

old lubricant on cheap lead bullets would dry and become flaky while the lead turned white. this combo created lead frosting:
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it can be wiped off with alcohol or any keytone like kerosene, acetone, et c. but bone dry unlubricated .22 LRN with cheap bullets will very quickly foul a bore with leading and can result in stuck cases. there isn't a lot of rim to use to grab onto and yank it out after all, and it's hollow too...

plated tends to avoid a lot of these problems. in the specific case of aguila plated (or really any wax you want to remove) you can melt it off with the trash bag method or with paint thinners and a brush, et c. don't like a little work stop you from cheap ammo.
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I bought some guy's massive stash of .22 off of Armslist back in 2013 and I still haven't even touched half of it, a lot of it is old Eley ammo of various types that had lead frosting on it but I never knew what it was until I read your post, thanks.
 
Pretend To Imagine said:
Regardless of specific barrel and rail, most modern rails heat up fairly quickly. Gloves, rail covers, vertical grips, or a combination of the three are what will mitigate the issue. I don’t care for gloves or vertical grips, but I use the Wisemen Company Hot Pocket.
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You're not wrong. There are some beefier MLOK handguards out there with wider internal diameters that aren't as quick to heat up as many others, but they also tend to be more expensive. I use the Magpul Type 2 rail covers on all of my MLOK handguards, mostly for how grippy they are, but they do provide a small amount of heat mitigation. I haven't tried the Hot Pocket, but I've heard they work really well.
 
EggImpregnator said:
I've been thinking of building a 762x39 AR for fun. I really like the PSA KS-47 receiver set purely because it can take drums and a wider variety of AK mags. I would only get the receiver set tho. The barrel and bolt I'd get from better manufacturers.

A few years back i remember seeing an article about a picture of a socom guy in africa with a 762x39 AR that uses 762AR mags. And it put this little idea in my head of getting an AR that takes AK mags in the very unlikely circumstance i find myself needing a rifle in a 3rd world environment.
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Cmmg mutant
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
The QBZ-191 is a gas piston driven rifle with ..... A reciprocating right side charging handle 😳
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the QBZ-191 is a short-stroke gas gun (like the AR-18 ) with a bolt carrier assembly that looks more like a piston AR but with a lever to lock the cam pin & uses a fixed ejector. the only thing discernably "ak" about it is the FCG, the ejector, and maybe the bolt face if we're gonna go into parts of parts.
yeah it has a reciprocating right-side charging handle but thats like reversing the charging handle on a SCAR (the non-NRCH one) and calling it an AK.
In summary: Eugene stoner CHADS win again, kalashniCHUDS keep losing :smug:
 
Autistic Gunspergings said:
the QBZ-191 is a short-stroke gas gun (like the AR-18 ) with a bolt carrier assembly that looks more like a piston AR but with a lever to lock the cam pin & uses a fixed ejector. the only thing discernably "ak" about it is the FCG, the ejector, and maybe the bolt face if we're gonna go into parts of parts.
yeah it has a reciprocating right-side charging handle but thats like reversing the charging handle on a SCAR (the non-NRCH one) and calling it an AK.
In summary: Eugene stoner CHADS win again, kalashniCHUDS keep losing :smug:
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This is retarded, the 191 is in no way derivative of the AR 15 or AR18. Its a hodgepodge of various parts (non domestically invented) the Chinese mixed matched to their liking.
 
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