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I give it a week before we start seeing Russian soldiers unironically wielding shovels.
Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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Standard squad composition going forward is going to have to include a melee tank to deal with airborne threats. Truly, Gork and Mork would be pleased.
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Warhammer fans stop being the autistic male versions of Harry Potter fans challenge (impossible!)
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They arent behaving in their self-interest but in their masters interest (USA) . Whatever Ukraine does as long as usa directly doesnt get involved usa will be insulated from the consenquences .
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NATO likely understands that this would be an actual red line and is why it's been avoided. The incursion towards Kursk looks more like a desperation Hail Mary to bait Russia into stopping the inexorable advance towards Pokrovsk (click the little calendar icon and set the date to August 1 and hit play). Based on the rate of advance before and after this stunt, it didn't work. The Russian objective seems clear and the attempt to bait Putin away from it seems to have failed.
Which makes sense (if you apply logic), why would Putin or anybody in Russia care what the perception in the West is? They already know they're hated and the propaganda machine here will never shed anything but the worst light on their actions anyway, so what exactly would be the point of trying to impress Western media?
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Since linking it twice hasn't seemed to do the trick, I'll screenshot it. NATO now acts based on this perception.
Perception matters because perception determines behavior. Look at the amount of countries standing up to the West before Russia destroyed their perception of invincibility, and how many countries now stand up to the West. If you perceive your enemy as weak, you won't give a shit about red lines because you'll think it's all a bluff.
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Well if your theory is right, why doesn't NATO just carpet bomb Moscow? After all, Putin is a bitch and won't do anything about it, right?
Life isn't a video game. There is no perception attribute that Putin needs to load more points into. There are actions and consequences. You want them to shift focus now to an annoying incursion that has no actual impact on their overall strategy, because "The West" might not respect them anymore. Meanwhile, here's what Western media outlets are actually focusing on once they realized it didn't work:
So yeah, remind us why some boxed in stragglers miles away from Kursk are what actually matters.
Doesn't all western media unilaterally try to portray Putin as a pussy? Seems like multi-national delusion. WW3 coming.
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Yes. That's what I just said.
Game Theory fails against an opponent that does not act in its own interests. As Ukraine is not because their government is owned by the USA. Unsure where I was unclear!
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Actions and consequences. There have been no consequences. So I do think NATO actually will try doing something similar to that. Kursk doesn't fucking matter bro. Putin's response to Kursk matters. Now perhaps whats happening right now with the bombings is the consequence. But the wrong people are feeling it. I don't feel like repeating myself any more to someone who jumps in at the tail end of a point. So I refer you to what I said one fucking page ago.
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Well it really depends on the needs of the narrative. Sometimes you'll get different takes even in the same article.
The only real consistency to Western messaging on Mr. Putin is that it's always only Putin. Putin decides this, Putin decides that. Putin wants. Putin doesn't want. Never, almost never, "Russia" decided to do something. I think because simple narratives are more effective propaganda. And they can more easily demonise a single Bad Guy villain.
You explain to 99.5% of people in the West that Putin is a moderate and that any replacement would probably want to bomb NATO facilities in Europe, and you'll just get a glassy stare.
They don't try to paint him as stupid, generally, however. The image of Putin being smart has firmly rooted itself in the Western psyche.
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We’re likely not far from overt NATO bombings of Russian units or land, precisely because Putin doesn’t react when his read lines are crossed. It’s called tit for tat. If NATO crosses a line early on and Putin responds by blowing up whichever USA asset was used to facilitate that, NATO learn that crossing red lines carries consequences and will be more hesitant to do so next time. In terms of game theory, defection entails punishment. Early reaction means the tit for tat is kept at low levels, such as downing individual drones or whatever. If you allow NATO to cross red line after red line and do nothing to respond to it, when you do eventually have to respond you will have to do so in a much more impactful way. The reaction to NATO supplying targets for HIMARS (which they also supplied) strikes within Russia could be downing NATO drones over the Black Sea. The reaction to covert NATO boots on Russian ground (ie Kursk once enough of the western “mercenaries” confess that they were sent there under orders from their military) must be on the same level of intensity, ie bombing US land. These are both examples of tit for tat and while I’ll excuse you for being unfamiliar with the concept, even someone who’s never heard of game theory will quickly see which reaction brings us closer to nuclear war.
Red lines must be enforced. Crossing them must be punished immediately and harshly, otherwise you only embolden them to continue until the only reaction you have left is launching nukes. I don’t think anyone in this thread realises just how close NATO boots on Russian ground means we are to catastrophe.
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They're the group of speds everyone avoids but can't ignore, bullying the brooding, premature tall kid minding his own business with his few goth (and one crackpot school shooter to happen) friends. We know how that always ends...
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The fact that you think this, explains why your posts sound retarded.
Yes, Putin should behave predictably that way the West can easily goad Russia into changing course and being reactive at any provocation. Brilliant.
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They disproportionately personify "Ukraine" as being under attack from Putin, I think it has to do with NATOs fever dream of flipping over moscow, like they did Kiev in 2014. They thought all their sock puppets in waiting and progressive lgbtqi+ protesters were, like in Ukraine a powerful movement which just needed a bit of an external push to come into power but instead even russians who always were against putin, are now siding with him because they feel threatened by the west even more.
They thought people fed up with putin would hand them russia over on a golden platter after a little bit of war fatigue but the opposite happened, while all the overly enthusiastic ukrainians throwing themselves on the sword for NATO are now dead or dead tired and the rest is actually dodging the draft in droves.
The kursk thing seemed to me like something out of "Der Untergang", it's over. Ukraine is done, they will have to give them Krim and Donbass. But the west wont stop it because the longer it goes, the more it damages russia and they take what they can get. This is pure, non stop gaza tier horror for ukrainian people like you and me.
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Why not, after all they are at zero risk of actually fighting
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He's not saying that, what he means is the belligerent country's public's perception of the initiation of hostile action against Russia. You already have zoomers and a surprising number of millennials even on KF who spaz out whenever Russia is mentioned, ranting against commies and salivating at the mouth at the thought of WW3 becasue the actually believe we can nuke Russia without repercussion, that a nuclear wasteland will be just like how its portrayed in their favorite video game or that they can wiggle out of a draft, somehow.
The West needs to make sure the majority are frothing at the mouth to kill Russians becasue doing so will be easy and painless (of course it isn't but zoomers don't remember the frenzy about how easy it was to kill the wrong towelheads who totally deserved it for the Twin Towers, becasue they weren't born), and we aren't quiet there yet. But almost.
I do know but I am more astounded at how the draft eligible think they'll be immune from being drafted and sent to Eastern Europe despite knowing what the Ukraine is-the same Ukraine that's been a proving ground for color revolutions, drug testing, biolabs, weaponry and now the conscription of middle-aged/elderly men and women into the infantry, by force.
Here's where the neocons got clever; the US is nowhere near Russia, except for Alaska and afaik Russia isn't funding a nascent insurgent army in or around the US that can operate in the manner you reference. That leaves US overseas installations, a good number of which are/were in the Ukraine; even the CIA admitted to operating there. I'm sure as they escalated they moved into Poland so that's out. The other installations are in NATO countries so those are out as well unless Russia engages in covert actions, and I think a lot of the fires we've seen may be just that.
The only option open is to degrade the Ukraine's capability to wage war in any capacity , which would necessitate "collateral damage", or civilian casualties. So I imagine that's the route the Kremlin will eventually take.
While I am sure Russia doesn't want to take over a nation of surly hohols, it should already be deploying people to areas that are friendlier, like Zaporozhye, to set up a way to deal with them and encourage the ones who hate Russia to leave because its got no other choice now.
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Putin tried to reframe the situation in that way almost a decade back by holding the krim and donbass referendums, the UN didn't acknowledge those, so he's still fighting a war on foreign soil, else he could've said: "U.S. mercs on russian soil? Have a nuke!", and the "world" would've seen the U.S. as the aggressor, so they would've treaded carefully but that didn't happen, so both sides agreed just on "ukraine is not-nato", so the u.s. can pull out anytime they see fit and don't have to deal with nuclear war and for russia that meant they could continue military special operations without fearing the same, despite the UN not backing them in anyway - they both agreed on how this is played - he's just fighting ukrainians, officially. Any escalation is to putins disadvantage because, unlike the US on the other end of the world, he can't pull out of this.
NATO already played him and defined the battlefield on which they fight. NATO will herd Ukrainians into the woodchipper until there are none left, because they can't win in the long run but they can and will keep russia from being able to expend troops in the middle east and africa which is what really counts.
Basically, they agreed on no red lines, safe for direct U.S. incursion under U.S. command. What will happen per game theory: Russia will raze ukraine to the ground now because that way they don't risk ww3 at all but will end the war in their front yard. Russia DID absolutely pull punches until now and before he will retaliate against NATO, he will use tac nukes on Ukraine if they don't yield. That will happen were they to give Ukrainians the tech and personnel to actually carpet bomb moscow - they won't do this themselves at this rate. Let's hope nothing like that ever comes. I think they will just continue like this, vietnam style.
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I’m 9300km closer to the front than you are, and war isn’t pleasant for women either.