Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[PigFarm]

Do they not...talk to their butchers about what the surgery is about? Discuss the long-term outcomes? Complications? Or at least read the informed consent form where the procedure is usually explained in lay terms? Did someone tell them you're supposed to do that before any surgery?

Why am I even asking, most of them probably research more about their funko pop or transformers plastic trash than the life-changing permanent body modifications they're about to go through.

It's amazing how blind they go in. Then run to reddit to ask basic questions, like how to clean their wounds and if random bleeding and mucus is bad.

That alone is enough proof to me that most of these people are either too stupid or too sick to consent to surgery. If someone can't even think to ask the surgeon anything about their life changing procedure (anything other than "how much dick can fit in this hole?" And "how big of a rot dog can you make from my arm?"), then they're not in a spot where they should be allowed to consent

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Every time it gets brought up I like to introduce people to this picture just to show how fucking barbaric the vnectomy surgery actually is. Be warned, NSFW NSFL NSFA.

Is this a pooner surgery tho, not an actually life-saving removal cancerous tissue on the photo? I mean, it's horrifying nevertheless, but in the context of pooner SRS I've always read about the electrocauter, and it makes sense, because why do all the depicted butchery, when they can just shove the cauter in for a while and then leave for golf?

 

[crazedaze]

"Women are the neck that turns the head."

In a lot of cases women will seek out men that they get their kicks out of what he does by proxy. They can't/don't want to get their hands dirty the way he can/does, so live vicariously through him. The Maxwell to his Epstein.

3rd world conditions are 3rd world conditions. Modern western women are not helpless and, yes, do encourage and perpetuate a lot of the current social contagions. Religious extremism, extreme poverty, and 3rd world conditions are not the fault of some nebulous "patriarchy" and "social constructs" some Grunks in the stone age came up with to keep their Grunkas tending the camp fire or some shit.

This is why I cannot agree with feminists nor consider myself one--you all find every possible excuse to wave away the worst behavior of groups/individuals simply because of what sex they are. Even as the very threads you constantly read through and post on all have the perfect examples of why such ideologies are not just fallible but sometimes actively harmful.

Literally "women are responsible for everything men do this is why i cant with the femanists" lmao
The logical, accountable sex as usual.

 

[Dr. Eldon Tyrell]

It's amazing how blind they go in. Then run to reddit to ask basic questions, like how to clean their wounds and if random bleeding and mucus is bad.

In their defense, they're told they're can be fixed by professionals they have been conditioned to trust, we basically reached a point where certain kids are brought up the same way girls are in FGM practicing societies. I like to remind you, as @Sourceress pointed out in the case of women, that in Iran gays are also made to think they have to be cut and turned into eunuchs because otherwise they'll be roped and nobody would want them with a dick and no wig anyway. With pooners this is a more intricate, bizarro world case, sure, for them it's a reversal of the former two cases: they want to get rid of any kind of appeal they may have had to men at large - often, as already discussed itt, because of a sexual abuse history.
In conclusion: It's also pushed on them by men in a way.
The problem I have with the few really radical feminists,
is that it's not men by default but specific patriarchies (but it's always patriarchies...) who commit/perpetuate all these enumerated crimes.
And Ghislaine Maxwell'esque handmaidens are as real as caring, honest, hard working dads. When people in power are deranged, they're all deranged, men and women.

I mean, it's horrifying nevertheless, but in the context of pooner SRS I've always read about the electrocauter, and it makes sense, because why do all the depicted butchery, when they can just shove the cauter in for a while and then leave for golf?

Well, if you really enjoy what you're doing...

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Gimme the examples of those excesses.

Go read about what the female members of Mao's Red Guard got up to, or what happened at Tuol Sleng, or look at all of the Handmaidens featured on this site. Also, who is it that most vocally and publicly encourages their sons to wear dresses and have their dicks cut off? - Is it the dads or is it the mothers?

 

[Paper Machete]

Literally "women are responsible for everything men do this is why i cant with the femanists" lmao
The logical, accountable sex as usual.

I didn't say that. It's people like you that are always going on about the dumb battle of the sexes bullshit. It's also not impossible to see ways in which things can be improved for women generally but not be feminist.

 

[PigFarm]

In their defense, they're told they're can be fixed by professionals they have been conditioned to trust, we basically reached a point where certain kids are brought up the same way girls are in FGM practicing societies. I like to remind you, as @Sourceress , pointed out in the case of women, that in Iran gays are also made to think they have to be cut and turned into eunuchs because otherwise they'll be roped and nobody would want them with a dig and no wig anyway. With pooners this is a more intricate, bizarro world case, sure, but most also want to escape a box they feel is pushed on them, for them it's a reversal of the former two cases: they want to get rid of any kind of appeal they may have had to men at large - often, as already discussed itt because of sexual abuse history.


Well, if you really enjoy what you're doing...

Even if you went in for a dick chop and thought it was a totally reversible and safe procedure, that doesn't explain why seem oblivious towards the most basic care.

They'll be asking reddit when they can try shoving themselves with Bad Dragon toys instead of asking the surgeon that cut them up. They go home without even the most basic supplies and seem confused and shocked that they need woundcare.

Not to mention, the majority of them browse the srs subs just to look at the photos. They'll ask for recommendations, get told by 10 troons that a certain doctor did them dirty....and They'll still pick that doctor because they saw 1 or 2 photos hopped pics of what they thought was a good looking stink ditch.

Most people will ask their doctors for more details about their new blood pressure medication than troons do about a major surgery.

The problem is that they're dumb and delusional, or delusional and impulsive.

 

[TheMeanOne]

This is why women are preferentially hired into middle management roles in medium-large corporations, governments, NGOs, and nonprofits by the way. They are more likely to use consensus/norm adherence as a proxy for morality and logic than men are.

It's not necessarily about women I don't think. It's about people who traditionally don't have power. If you give someone who feels they were put down the keys to the kingdom, they get drunk on that power really quickly. The hiring preference for women in middle management is probably just affirmative action. Lots of white dudes still in middle management everywhere in the US & Canada at least.

Have you ever had a Black or brown supervisor at work? If you let a Hispanic or Black person be a trainer they will be so hard on new people that some of them walk out. They'll tattle on them about every mistake they make, they'll try and embarass them in front of other workers.

White middle class guys and many white women narc on people to supervisors way less than Hispanics or Blacks who are always trying to get ahead one teeny tiny bit by any means necessary, They don't realize they do it so much no one trusts them or looks up to them, they never end up getting very far. I think you see that sometimes with women, but not always. It depends on if they're confident or if they feel they're oppressed. If they think they're oppressed, watch out.

 

[Peaches Demure]

It's not necessarily about women I don't think. It's about people who traditionally don't have power. If you give someone who feels they were put down the keys to the kingdom, they get drunk on that power really quickly. The hiring preference for women in middle management is probably just affirmative action. Lots of white dudes still in middle management everywhere in the US & Canada at least.

Have you ever had a Black or brown supervisor at work? If you let a Hispanic or Black person be a trainer they will be so hard on new people that some of them walk out. They'll tattle on them about every mistake they make, they'll try and embarass them in front of other workers.

White middle class guys and many white women narc on people to supervisors way less than Hispanics or Blacks who are always trying to get ahead one teeny tiny bit by any means necessary, They don't realize they do it so much no one trusts them or looks up to them, they never end up getting very far. I think you see that sometimes with women, but not always. It depends on if they're confident or if they feel they're oppressed. If they think they're oppressed, watch out.

There are definitely psychological differences between men and women on a group level. Women are far, far less prone to excesses overall (in temperament, intelligence distribution, and overall behaviors) and much more motivated in preserving the status quo, whatever that may be (evangelical Christianity, communism, woke-ism). Jordan Peterson has done a great deal of research on this, and while he has some cowish traits himself, his analysis on this topic is right on the dot, IMO. Women have an interest in preserving the status quo because, simply put, conflict around infants and small children is generally a very bad idea and has been for longer than humans have existed as a species.

Men and women also tend to go bad in very different ways. Men become anti-social while women become "devouring mothers". Dee-Dee Blanchard and Janet Jennings/Bloshinsky are prime examples of the latter. Psychopathologies manifest differently between the sexes.

 

[TismFarmer]

There is also the belief that their daughter won't ever get a good match in marriage unless they're mutilated, because all uncut women are whores with insatiable sex drives.

It's not even a belief.
They are literally likely to be seen as disgusting and dirty and not even slightly considered wife material.
The only people who are then willing to marry them are the worst, most abusive, most ugly inside and out, and the ones who have ZERO prospects of having a wife for what are probably very good reasons.
The older women are trying to avoid that outcome more than thinking "I had this done, so you should too"

 

[crazedaze]

I didn't say that. It's people like you that are always going on about the dumb battle of the sexes bullshit. It's also not impossible to see ways in which things can be improved for women generally but not be feminist.

You're the one who brought up feminism, and then "it's people like you battle of the sexes bullshit". Bro, you don't know what the fuck feminism is, clearly. The definition is "make things better for women". I've heard this "it's women's fault because they fuck men in power", which you obviously assume they do willingly? Retarded.

 

[TheMeanOne]

The truth is absolute defense against defamation though, if her parents were dumb enough to sue Sierra instead of the butchers that killed their daughter what could they sue her for?
She's not lying, and discovery would show pretty clearly Gruffins medical problems started with the botched rotdog surgery, you don't even need to break HIPAA to do that, just examining the timeline shows that the tentacle dick surgery was the start of everything that followed.

I get what you're saying, grieving parents aren't always the most rational, but if they sue anyone it should be the medical team responsible not someone who is trying to warn others about making the same mistake.

The problem is, one, she might be wrong about cause of death. She hasn't said she asked for a copy of the death certificate, just that someone who claims to know Gruffin's dad sent her a screenshot of an exchange they had. That could be real, or it could not be. In some places like LA County they put causes of death online but I don't know if they do where Gruffin was living. She's also just not a doctor even though she acts like one. She's a speech pathologist, that's it. Some of her claims (Jazz has Prader Willi) are pretty strange.

Secondly, Exulansic has had to ask people not to harass the family. I think that could be an issue for her in a lawsuit. I don't follow her all the time, she's exhausting, but it looks like she had to ask someone to stop harassing a different TikToker (the Muslim one) the other day, too. That shows that there's a pattern of her followers harassing nobodies, if nothing else. The Muslim tranny is homeless I think, and Gruffin was what, a cashier?

Exulansic got a lot of attention and retweets over the Gruffin thing but she does need to be careful. Her Jazz series is probably technically copyright infringement. Whenever she starts to get popular she gets kicked off a platform. It happened with YouTube and it could happen with Twitter and Substack. Tranny activists bait her, other gender critical activists target her out of jealousy/purity of the movement concerns, and platforms start to be aware that her followers harass people or that her Jazz commentary stretches the limits of fair use. She just needs to be more careful in my opinion and she never is, she's too autistic for that.

 

[Hubelublub]

I didn't say that.

Rekeita, is that you?

It's amazing how blind they go in. Then run to reddit to ask basic questions, like how to clean their wounds and if random bleeding and mucus is bad.

That alone is enough proof to me that most of these people are either too stupid or too sick to consent to surgery. If someone can't even think to ask the surgeon anything about their life changing procedure (anything other than "how much dick can fit in this hole?" And "how big of a rot dog can you make from my arm?"), then they're not in a spot where they should be allowed to consent

I genuinely believe trannies are significantly more dim than your average citizen. The lack of foresight and the inability to separate desires from reality are both indicators of retardation, but the fact that none of them ever seem to develop theory of mind is the clincher.

We used to sterilise the functionally retarded, and there's been argument that although unpleasant, perhaps there were wider societal benefits to such acts. Maybe these surgeons are trying to do us all a favour by bringing that back.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Women are far, far less prone to excesses overall (in temperament, intelligence distribution, and overall behaviors)

I agree. It's just that when women do go off the deep end, they go waaaaaaay off.

@crazedaze
Bro, you don't know what the fuck feminism is, clearly. The definition is "make things better for women".

Oh, my sides. That might have been the definition in 1958 but we're way past that now and have been for at least 5 decades.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Is this a pooner surgery tho, not an actually life-saving removal cancerous tissue on the photo? I mean, it's horrifying nevertheless, but in the context of pooner SRS I've always read about the electrocauter, and it makes sense, because why do all the depicted butchery, when they can just shove the cauter in for a while and then leave for golf?

Yes it is.

(archive)

Studying the image (I had to reverse img search to get the source since the previous poster didn't include a link to the paper it's from) I thought I saw a fundus back at the top of the whole bit, and it looks like I was right- this is an attempt

(female readers may wish to preemptively assume a crotch-protective cross-leg wince position now)

-to remove the whole female reproductive tract, essentially, in one grab. Uterus and vagina ripped out all of one piece, at least.

In total, 23 patients underwent total hysterectomy with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy and vaginectomy in a single intervention. The vaginal mucosa was conserved to be used for the penile neourethra during the subsequent phalloplasty.

The surgeries had an average operating time of 155 ± 42 minutes. No intraoperative complications were registered. In all patients, the vagina was totally removed, and, in most cases (n = 20), we were able to remove laparoscopically more than 50% of the vagina. Three patients had postoperative complications. One patient presented with hemoperitoneum on the second postoperative day; another presented with prolonged urinary retention, and a third patient developed a perineal hematoma 1 month after surgery. Patients were discharged less than 72 hours after surgery, except the patient who developed a postoperative hemoperitoneum. For all patients, we obtained an adequate specimen of vaginal mucosa to reconstruct the penile neourethra for the subsequent phalloplasty.

I've unlocked the full text via sci-hub.ru and included it as an attachment for anyone who may be in a jurisdiction where they are not comfortable using her resource.

The full text includes some further photos that may be even worse yet.

Spoiler: like this one

Spoiler: I fucking MEAN it

Spoiler: Upton Sinclair is warning you one last time about what cannot be unseen

 

[Xanthe]

They were True Believers, which is not the same as leaders.

Go read about what the female members of Mao's Red Guard got up to, or what happened at Tuol Sleng, or look at all of the Handmaidens featured on this site. Also, who is it that most vocally and publicly encourages their sons to wear dresses and have their dicks cut off? - Is it the dads or is it the mothers?

 

[Iron Jaguar]

They were True Believers, which is not the same as leaders.

What's your point? Who said anything about "leaders"?

 

[Positron]

Jesus Christ can you people just STOP those "females are the worst" and "men are much worse" talk in this thread? Every twenty pages or so someone has to start this shit anew and then the thread bloats up by several pages of worthless shit overnight. Can you people take it to Gorl Tawk?

This thread is about TRANNIES and nothing else.

Semi-content: Fistulissa takes it on the people around him.




But you know what? What he has is just like "severe postpartum complications".

As you can see he is full of empathy.

 

[Topaz Eyes]

I personally hate everyone involved in committing FGM, regardless of their gender or whether it's in a hut in Africa or medical facility in the developed world.

 

[klarine]

Sometimes I just want to laugh at mr. lissa's cloacaposting guys, lets calm down on the sperging