Where to live? - (if you are white)

I just want to be left alone... Why cant I be left alone. I just want to farm cabbages and go to work and be left alone.

Society must completely change to meet my ideal. This is untenable.
You leaving well enough alone made for a stable, polite society that is a good refugee target from these idiots fleeing the consequences of their own voting habits.
Honestly the smartest thing the South ever did was talk all funny and make urbane white collar types hyper paranoid about a resurgent Klan because outside of high plains Texas and Atlanta they otherwise flee to every other part of the country besides there.
 
You leaving well enough alone made for a stable, polite society that is a good refugee target from these idiots fleeing the consequences of their own voting habits.
Honestly the smartest thing the South ever did was talk all funny and make urbane white collar types hyper paranoid about a resurgent Klan because outside of high plains Texas and Atlanta they otherwise flee to every other part of the country besides there.
but I am not left well enough alone. Theres too many people here, the tourists, the mormon subhumans. I cant go about my business since every old washed up woodstock whore has nothing to do but harass and case problems for regular normal people. This place is a gilded cage. I'd rather be halfway up a mountain in bumfuck Idaho or Washington or Montana and have nobody around. At least there I can defend myself from future doctors and lawyers.
 
because outside of high plains Texas
Nobody is moving to the high plains, what? That's all crumbling 1920s buildings and pivot irrigators.

The yankee scum are descending like locusts on the blackland prairies. Elgin is now a suburb of Austin. I-35 is solid city from Denton to San Antonio. All the nicest parts.

Only the Comanche could love the Llano Estacado.
 
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As an Asian who wants to escape from the shitpit.
Back to Asia.
Nobody is moving to the high plains, what? That's all crumbling 1920s buildings and pivot irrigators.

The yankee scum are descending like locusts on the blackland prairies. Elgin is now a suburb of Austin. I-35 is solid city from Denton to San Antonio. All the nicest parts.

Only the Comanche could love the Llano Estacado.
What exactly is there in the High Plains of TX?
 
Lubbock and Amarillo have one thing going for them, at least. So far, Californians are staying the hell away from it. Trouble is, most of the large farms are being parceled out at 10, 5, and sometimes even 2 acres at a time. Like, what the hell. I get it that no one can afford full sections especially with the crazy inflation of the last 10 years, but county governments should be shutting that shit down. There's not enough water to have everything broken up into rural-burbs, whether they're on the municipal mains or digging their own well. It's a real shame too, you start getting down into zone 8 just south of Lubbock, one could damn near grow avocados and olives.
 
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i want to live in a house with a good buffer zone where i can go in and out and not have to see my neighbors, but also, i want the neighbors to be chill, and probably white or Asian.
 
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Lubbock and Amarillo have one thing going for them, at least. So far, Californians are staying the hell away from it. Trouble is, most of the large farms are being parceled out at 10, 5, and sometimes even 2 acres at a time. Like, what the hell. I get it that no one can afford full sections especially with the crazy inflation of the last 10 years, but county governments should be shutting that shit down. There's not enough water to have everything broken up into rural-burbs, whether they're on the municipal mains or digging their own well. It's a real shame too, you start getting down into zone 8 just south of Lubbock, one could damn near grow avocados and olives.
The wind farms are a blight. They're so fucking hideous and depressing. And they're using that energy to crack what water the sodbusters haven't taken into hydrogen and oxygen.

Avocados in Lubbock? You're nuts. Maybe you could do Avocados in Laredo, but even they get snap freezes sometimes.
 
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Avocados in Lubbock? You're nuts. Maybe you could do Avocados in Laredo, but even they get snap freezes sometimes.
They adjusted the zone maps last year. 8a comes right up to the southern corner of Lubbock. That, plus the correct rootstock, I think you could do it. The West Indian and Guatemalan cultivars are tropical, but the Mexican cultivars are just barely cold-hardy. With those, it's not about the snap freeze so much as duration. Same with olives, would have to have Mission/Arbequina... but if the trees were large enough before being acclimated to the outside, they'd survive 24-48 hours through whatever a Lubbock winter might throw at it.

Of course, like I said, the real estate is completely fucked, and that won't work even 20 minutes north where you have a chance of buying anything more than a quarter-acre zoned-for-residential plot.
 
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I thought avocados were like citrus, where any freezing at all was fatal.

It gets cold as SHIT in Lubbock, by my standards, anyway. I grew up in 9b so.

You seem to know something about Arbequina, which have interested me. I live on the edge of 8a and 8b. You think.I could succeed with an outside olive?
 
Are they nice towns? Do they mind their own business? Spots to shoot around? How's the fish and game?
I mean, I'll take them over Midland or Odessa, but no, they suck. All the formerly nice parts of Texas are way too expensive now, and often no longer nice. The Panhandle has more in common with Kansas than it does with Central Texas.

TBF I've been to Lubbock and Amarillo many times, but never lived in either. I don't like wind, and I DO like trees.

I sold my old place in Central Texas less than 4 years ago for many times what I'd put into it, and I'd only been there eight ears.

Where I live is <2% black, which matters to some. Texas is only mostly dead.
 
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I thought avocados were like citrus, where any freezing at all was fatal.
I've been reading up on them lately, my wife puts it down at the top of her list of things she wouldn't want to live without. Allegedly, the right varieties can survive down to around 18F°. The internet articles claiming this are suspicious, of course, but I've found a few better sources that agree they can briefly survive sub-freezing temperatures. Neither the exact temperature nor the duration are mentioned. It can't possibly be weeks of this, it likely isn't days. And at the very extreme edge (18F°), it must be shorter still. I intend to find out. There are potential mitigation strategies, planting the tree near something that would help to keep it warm, right up next to a house in espalier, perhaps. Or surrounding it with other mature trees that are more cold hardy as a sort of wind break. Hell, some avocado trees put out 1500-2000 lbs of fruit... you don't need that many of them. I think I can maybe afford to perform heroic measures to keep one alive.
You seem to know something about Arbequina, which have interested me. I live on the edge of 8a and 8b. You think.I could succeed with an outside olive?
You could have many failures before you dialed in the right practices to keep one alive. But I think that if someone didn't give up, eventual success has better than even odds. Larger, more mature trees will survive winters that saplings won't, and there's no way to know if this winter or the next will just be one of those oddball testicle-freezing frozen hells that come around once every other decade. If you could get a 3"dia trunk on a tree before you had to deal with that, those winters aren't going to kill the tree, the worst they'll do is just give you a fruitless season the following year. You should go for it. If you even got one tree to grow, Hormex #8 ($13/jar on Amazon) would turn each 8" stick cut from it into another rooted cutting.

If we don't preserve our capacity to do thing A or thing B, post-collapse we will never be able to do those things ever again. Not because they were impossible but because we didn't acquire the skills and seedstock when they were still available to be gotten.
 
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Allegedly, the right varieties can survive down to around 18F°
In January I was unloading at a dock in Lubbock at 11 degrees. That should be unconstitutional.


Don't come at me, Northerners. I've worked in subzero temps in Minnesota and South Dakota, too. I don't make fun of their accents because I don't need to hear a Thu'um.
 
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White replacement is not yet bad enough for me to tell you where exactly will be best. I imagine that as things worsen there will arise more 'fortified' White enclaves either in America or elsewhere and that will just be where everyone goes. For immediacy though, try bumfuck nowhere Idaho
 
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White replacement is not yet bad enough for me to tell you where exactly will be best.
I don't want to pick a fight, but are you really sure that this is true? I assume that most of us already live somewhere in the US. Please consider the people who live in the northern wastelands up above us. They are practically under siege already... I regularly see headlines that their government wants to increase their total population from 30 million to 100 million. You might think that it's only Toronto and Montreal and Vancouver, you could hardly be faulted if that were the case. Apparently, though, you can drive through any of those smaller towns and villages between these places and find more than a few of humanity's toilet-training-resistant brethren. There are no jobs anywhere, and the so-called student-immigrants don't actually attend higher education; it's just quite often outright fraud.

I think that instead of it not being "bad enough", it probably is the case that they're just being really careful about it in the United States to do it really evenly. And that maybe the demographics of the replacement aren't quite so jarring as in Canada. Throughout the cornbelt there are all these small agricultural towns and villages where some large fraction are Mexican or Honduran or Guatemalan. They're the farm hands, the livestock workers, and so on. In those places they make up not 2% or 5%, but 10% and 30% of the population. If you go far north enough that this is no longer the problem, then you have wealthy Californians buying up all the land and they'll soon need cheap gardeners, housemaids, and nannies along with them. Idaho, Montana, those places.

Done carefully, all of this will make every place so equally bad that there will be few places to flee to. Isn't it wonderful how diverse and multicultural things can become when our government hates us?
 
I've been reading up on them lately, my wife puts it down at the top of her list of things she wouldn't want to live without. Allegedly, the right varieties can survive down to around 18F°.
It's possible (if you have a good microclimate) but they won't grow very well, and they only last a few hours or two in the cold (No sustained chill resistance). Mexican avacadoes are the most cold hardy. There's an unamed hybrid variety alongside 'Winter Mexican' a lot of folks grow in the RGV that'll survive ~19F as a mature tree.

As for citrus... Trifolate can handle Siberian winters, but then it's trifoliate (Taste like rotten bitter melon hard like concrete) Kumquats are good to 16F. The sudden cold snap is what gets them in most of the Central US.
You seem to know something about Arbequina, which have interested me. I live on the edge of 8a and 8b. You think.I could succeed with an outside olive?
There's always some insane lunatic (or rich retard) outside Houston whose tried it and failed. They really don't like sudden cold snaps and the presence of a virulent strain of Xylella fastidiosa makes them a non-starter in most of the gulf coast as it causes OQDS.
Also the hurricane/drought pattern makes it very sad.

Nobody is moving to the high plains, what? That's all crumbling 1920s buildings and pivot irrigators.

The yankee scum are descending like locusts on the blackland prairies. Elgin is now a suburb of Austin. I-35 is solid city from Denton to San Antonio. All the nicest parts.

Only the Comanche could love the Llano Estacado.
Folks in the Brazos valley have been calling everyone north of the Brazos a damned yankee forever. Folks in Tyler have been complaining about Metroplex tards forever. Metroplex has been shitting on Houston (literally via the trinity) since forever.
Also there's gonna be water rights issues in the Estacado someday.
 
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