AI Art Seething General

[Corn Flakes]

Eh, I was talking about your knowledge about art in Communist/Socialist areas. I though that you could give some perspective.

It's just something I researched a long time ago so don't take it as gospel. Still, I have no idea why this dude claimed communists hated art. They loved the stuff. Soviet cities were planned with access to theaters in mind, for example. And someone had to draw those big murals and posters they loved so much. Most communist governments made big pushes towards getting their people to appreciate art, I guess because it was cheaper than actually improving their lives in any material way.

Of course, there are the outliers like the Khmer Rouge, who wanted to kill basically anyone who wasn't a subsistence farmer. And even with China's Cultural Revolution, they didn't just destroy traditional Chinese culture, they attempted to replace it with a new version. As a whole, art was seen as something to keep the people happy and well-indoctrinated.

What commies didn't like was transgressive art, but even that got used by the KGB as a way to keep tabs on dissidents. Apparently most of the underground rock and roll scene in Moscow and St. Petersburg in the 70s and 80s was completely infiltrated by KGB agents. But not every musician wants to decry the government, not every novelist is writing about the feeling of the state's boot on their face, and not every artist is drawing counter-revolutionary fanzines. Communist governments employed plenty of artists themselves.

 

[jje100010001]

OpenAI isn't even state of the art right now. Also Meta has recently released a 405b parameter model that easily beats gpt4 (their express goal probably directly wanting to cause OpenAI damage), as does anthropics Sonnet. It might very well be that OpenAI disappears, and I'd even bet with you that many AI companies will close down. In ten years it might very well be that there are only one or two names that are still recognizable from this time, and all other companies went the way of the dodo. That does not mean that it is the end of any AI development. Same thing happened with computers, pretty much most companies I knew during these 20 years of breakneck development went bankrupt, were bought up, or left the sector. That did not result in computers "failing". It just doesn't mean much. I can understand that the younger people see this as a trend but the older people really ought to know better. AI is simply too useful to go anywhere.

It just happens in literally everything on this planet, even animals- once a new frontier opens, an initial explosion of diversity occurs, followed by a stage of consolidation and stabilization, which sets the stage for the eventual next explosion.

AI is still going to be around, the next stage is like what you said- out of a littany of no-name companies promising the moon, a few companies come out the winner, and AI simply becomes integrated into our everyday lives.

 

[Jeb Bush]

Now even StoneToss is anti-AI:

Link: https://stonetoss.com/comic/try-angle/

 

[linchan]

Now even StoneToss is anti-AI:
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Link: https://stonetoss.com/comic/try-angle/

no... my chud comic...

 

[AnOminous]

Now even StoneToss is anti-AI:
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Link: https://stonetoss.com/comic/try-angle/

That's not anti-AI. That's anti-lobotomized woke AI.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Now even StoneToss is anti-AI:
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Link: https://stonetoss.com/comic/try-angle/

Ironically, that is actually a niche that AI s upposed to fill: the automatic recognition of distinct entities.

 

[AnOminous]

Ironically, that is actually a niche that AI s upposed to fill: the automatic recognition of distinct entities.

That's until you gimp it on purpose because otherwise it turns into Tay really quickly.

 

[Diesel Boogaloo]

Now even StoneToss is anti-AI:
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Link: https://stonetoss.com/comic/try-angle/

I love how open it is to interpretation: is AI doing a better job? The human missed the blue ball. The AI oversees a wider variety of pyramids. Do all those pyramids match specification, and the AI allowed the company to cut margins on the part that used to have to be machined too precisely only because of imperfect human supervision, or are those new pyramids incorrect and generated by some other AI that we do not see and wasn't mentioned? Or maybe the greater variety is due to the AI being able to accurately judge the quality of more types of products at once than a human could?

Ironically, that is actually a niche that AI s upposed to fill: the automatic recognition of distinct entities.

It is not only "supposed to", it already does.

EDIT:
This is not first Pebbleyeet's AI comic:

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

I love how open it is to interpretation: is AI doing a better job? The human missed the blue ball. The AI oversees a wider variety of pyramids. Do all those pyramids match specification, and the AI allowed the company to cut margins on the part that used to have to be machined too precisely only because of imperfect human supervision, or are those new pyramids incorrect and generated by some other AI that we do not see and wasn't mentioned? Or maybe the greater variety is due to the AI being able to accurately judge the quality of more types of products at once than a human could?

...or the AI s a bigger mess, thus requiring the human touch.

It is not only "supposed to", it already does.

That i surprising and neat.

 

[GunCar Gary]

Do y'all hate artist?

yes

they have politics you disagree with?

also yes

average modern artist from a page ago. total artist death

 

[weirdMcGee]

yes


also yes

average modern artist from a page ago. total artist death
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is there such a thing as a right wing artist that isn't a political cartoonist?

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

is there such a thing as a right wing artist that isn't a political cartoonist?

Look a those who do those Renaissance/Classical style drawings. They normally are those who do not let politics dictat everything of their lives.

 

[Colon capital V]

I think the biggest issue with AI atm is the complete lack of control on editing certain factors in the output. For example, right now you're basically prompting a machine to print out an image or audio with text and no way to get a hands-on approach with editing the output result like what layers the machine used for the outline, colors, blend modes for shading; or what kind of samples and chords an AI song used for its output. How cool would it be for an AI to generate an image and it spits out all the layers, or stems it used to construct the music? Or telling an AI to animate a character and it gives you all the drawn out frames of that character doing an action before telling another AI to color in that character? I think a few years from now when AI gets way more properly implemented into programs like Photoshop, Blender, Music DAWs, etc, a lot of the complaints people have with AI will start to die down since they have actual, tangible control over what needs to be fixed in their project files.

 

[harmy.kook]

is there such a thing as a right wing artist that isn't a political cartoonist?

I mean... Yeah?

The issue is you'll never hear from them publicly unless they're in a far-enough country, extremely secretive, or they're forced to.

"Right Wing" artists/creatives have gone quiet because of the modern culture™

 

[Dynamite Bean]

is there such a thing as a right wing artist that isn't a political cartoonist?

They do exist, like another poster said they will generally keep quiet
Right wingers some at least, don't make a habit out of making political shit their entire identity whereas a lot of leftists will hence why you always see it being the most prevalent
generally you can kinda tell if/when an artist is right leaning if they generally keep quiet about any political and social events compared to leftist peers who will always talk about such things when they happen

 

[linchan]

is there such a thing as a right wing artist that isn't a political cartoonist?

Doug Tenapal, artist/creator of Earth Worm Jim. I've seen him give his thoughts on AI art and he told people to toughen up.

 

[anustart76]

is there such a thing as a right wing artist that isn't a political cartoonist?

@FROG

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

It isn't AI specific, but Art in general. The YouTube channel Art vs Machine brings up a lot of problems that I have with the "Fine Arts" world in general and I'm seeing very similar reactions at a micro-level among new artists; specifically those that seethe against the idea of AI art generation.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Ironically, that is actually a niche that AI s upposed to fill: the automatic recognition of distinct entities.

Can't find the video but saw one of an asian woman literally sat by such a conveyer belt, staring. And you just know it'd be too expensive to replace her with AI let alone a camera.

 

[Jeb Bush]

Probably not the most popular take here, but I find it a bit strange a guy like this, who is against low effort meaningless art slop, "ready mades" and corners being cut to the detriment of quality, is now producing short AI movies, on the same channel this video was uploaded to.