AI Art Seething General

[femboy fart huffer]

I don't know if people saw this but I kinda want to see the farm's opinion on this because I feel like I'm going fucking insane and I'm sure you'll tell me if I am.

I saw this post on Twitter a few days ago. Seems fairly reasonable. I'm on the side of 'AI is good but trying to replicate certain people's style is a bit of cunty move'. But also on the side of having fucking eyes and not blindly believing a Twitter post. Original post link.

Spoiler: long image

A.i.

[1/3] This pains me so much to see that an account posing as an artist is blatantly using @ Hews__ Sensei's style in their A.I. prompts and engagement farming using their stolen art style. They have multiple accounts.


[2/3] Real artists I follow and idolize couldn't even have that engagement level and this dude just quite literally spews out slop every day and gets millions of reach and thousands of followers everyday. He also blocks everyone who calls him out.



[3/3] Some of my follows also reposts their slop too and I kept seeing their posts until I've blocked the dude. If you like A.I. gen images, that's fine by me. This is just a PSA to guys who don't want A.I and might be duped by this user.

So I go and look at the two accounts mentioned. (@Hews__ and @SetsuManga). And I just don't understand what the fuck this guy is on about. Hews just posts the most generic anime style shit, not that it's bad or anything, it's just hardly unique. They both look somewhat similar yes, but they also look similar to thousands of other images posted daily. Go on Twitter right now and just go on the genshin tag, you tell me how many similar artists you can find in a matter of seconds. I don't see how the AI poster is 'copying' anything. Also 'blatantly using their style in their AI prompts' is fucking retarded. For one you'd more be looking at using a lora to copy the style, you'd have a hard time copying a style with just prompts (in this case, considering this guy is not a famous artist, he's just a random guy on twitter). But also you have no fucking clue what the person is using in the prompts, even I can't remember the shit I put in my own prompts half the time let alone someone else's.

Here's some photos from both accounts, cropped because they're almost all porn not that that really even helps because of the tits. I picked 5 random posts though ignored a lot of Hews' because half is just the lineart. I did not cherrypick any of these, I just opened 5 random posts that didn't have cocks everywhere. Feel free to check the accounts for yourself, this is just a random selection.

Spoiler: hews__

Spoiler: SetsuManga

The stuff made by Hews has much more noticable lineart, the way that they shade hair is also a bit different, the way they draw tits is also much different; hews seems to always have a bigger gap between tits instead of Setsu who's stuff has the tits being very close together. The style of Setsu is just softer and has more realistic tits. The only thing that I would say is similar is the way they do eyebrows, they both have very thin dark lines visible through the fringe but once again is that really enough to claim copying? I've seen that type of eyebrow many times before, it's hardly anything special or definitive. I say this here because I trust you guys to call me a fucking schizophrenic faggot if these are actually that close. But to me it doesn't look like the guy is trying to copy hews with the AI, it's just creating a generic anime style image, which hews draws. I'm not saying they don't look similar, I'm saying that if Setsu is copying Hews then Hews is copying a lot of other people.

To me it reads as someone who is just butthurt basically. The second tweet mostly. 'Real artists I follow and idolize couldn't even have that engagement level and this dude just quite literally spews out slop every day and gets millions of reach and thousands of followers everyday.'. That screams retard. It's not even a valid point because Hews has almost a fucking MILLION more followers than Setsu. Also the second part of that tweet is retarded, I never understood people who bitch about being blocked; you went to someone's account to argue with them and are now surprised that they blocked you? You do understand the purpose of the block button right? Every time I hear people bitch about being blocked by some random account that has no impact on your life I just like to remember the fact that I can just go outside and lay in the grass instead. He didn't block you because you're correct, he blocked you because you're a cunt.

The third tweet is equally as retarded. 'If you like A.I. gen images, that's fine by me.'. He says after calling it shit and worthless. If you don't care about people liking AI stuff why are you making a post calling someone out for just posting random AI shit and following it up by complaining that it's too popular?

I also want to just include some screenshots of the comments on the original Sydus post because it's just more of this fucking online autistic grooming shit of allowing other people to dictate your emotions for you instead of thinking about them and interacting with your feelings yourself. The amount of people saying something along the line of 'I really liked their stuff but didn't know it was AI, I guess I have to unfollow them now' is fucking retarded. You followed them because you wanted to see cool images (or wank), regardless of how these images were made, do they not still fill that purpose? I think that both of these people post good looking images. If I wanted to fill my feed with generic big tit anime women then why should I not follow both of these people? There's then people in the comments demanding that people they follow unfollow this person. It's fucking retarded but completely expected from Twitter.

Spoiler: screenshots

One of the rare few based people in the thread. A few others were saying that they don't see the similarities enough to call it copying though they were definitely in the minority.

I just wanted to put this one after the last one. 'The images are good enough to not be noticable as AI'. Just wanted to include that after the last person defending Setsu's quality.

If it takes no effort to spot, yet the guy still gains followers every day then maybe you should put two and two together and realise that people don't care about it being AI because it looks good?

More retardation from the anti AI crowd. If you don't know the basics of what you're talking about why should I listen to you? I see this a lot, most people who actively hate AI have no idea how it works or anything about AI in general. They just know 'AI bad' because someone told them to think that. Same goes for the original poster who said that the guy was copying an art style using a prompt instead of a lora. I'm sure I don't have to say it here but this is just not even remotely true. You can generate images of most characters without any restrictions outside of image quality. Real people tend to get blocked but this is an anime boob account not real people.

'Scam' lol. Also 'if this is true', how about you just fucking look at the accounts and think for yourself retard? They're both linked in the post it takes literally two clicks to see if it's true or not. 'the majority of people don't care' he says after not even bothering to check himself.

Follow policing is retarded and you should kill yourself right now.

This is what I mean, you liked their stuff. Why does it now matter how they were made? If you can't tell then why does it affect anything?

So tell me. Am I being fucking schizophrenic or some shit? Or is Twitter once again being retarded and going on a witchhunt over literally nothing? I would do the normal and call them a faggot and move on but I'd rather not get my twitter account banned. Plus I feel like I'm going insane with how these people are acting like these two accounts are identical and I want to ask this in a place that might not be impartial but still have the ability to think and see for themselves and will call me a retarded if I'm actually wrong. It's not like I can show up at work and show some anime armpit licking images around the site, well I probably could but it's easier to delete an anonymous account than live down being the anime armpit man on the jobsite for the next decade. I won't deny that Setsu does seem to be a bit of a grifter and just engagement farming but if that's what people want to see then is there an issue with that? And yes I am fully aware that there is more text in this one post than in the entire thread and comments of the original callout tweets, send your hats if you want, they'll help with that good old male pattern baldness.

 

[Soggy Floppa]

More retardation from the anti AI crowd. If you don't know the basics of what you're talking about why should I listen to you? I see this a lot, most people who actively hate AI have no idea how it works or anything about AI in general. They just know 'AI bad' because someone told them to think that. Same goes for the original poster who said that the guy was copying an art style using a prompt instead of a lora. I'm sure I don't have to say it here but this is just not even remotely true. You can generate images of most characters without any restrictions outside of image quality. Real people tend to get blocked but this is an anime boob account not real people.

I've seen this kind of take around before, sometimes even here on the Farms. They aren't aware that Stable Diffusion and other local models and software exist, they only think online generators like Bing, Dall-E and Midjourney exist.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

I've seen this kind of take around before, sometimes even here on the Farms. They aren't aware that Stable Diffusion and other local models and software exist, they only think online generators like Bing, Dall-E and Midjourney exist.

I can go on bing AI right now and create an image of a copywritten character. Mlp works very well and so does minecraft and minions, fair few cartoons do too. You can also create images of copywritten characters by simply just describing them. Microsoft doesn't seem to block anything that would be copywritten, just things that would be considered 'harmful' (by microsoft's faggy standards)

Spoiler: proof

 

[GunCar Gary]

Or is Twitter once again being retarded and going on a witchhunt over literally nothing?

this one. i got bored and distracted while reading your rambling post and forgot which of the artists was supposed to be the AI one. both styles are generic anime slop you could generate with any generic anime model

 

[Dunkin DoNUT]

So tell me. Am I being fucking schizophrenic or some shit? Or is Twitter once again being retarded and going on a witchhunt over literally nothing? I would do the normal and call them a faggot and move on but I'd rather not get my twitter account banned. Plus I feel like I'm going insane with how these people are acting like these two accounts are identical and I want to ask this in a place that might not be impartial but still have the ability to think and see for themselves and will call me a retarded if I'm actually wrong. It's not like I can show up at work and show some anime armpit licking images around the site, well I probably could but it's easier to delete an anonymous account than live down being the anime armpit man on the jobsite for the next decade.

The more I look at the two, the more I can't tell the difference because they are both fucking generic. Maybe from the few examples you provided, I see Hews has variety (I'm using it loosely) of facial expressions, but that could be replicated with the right LoRA and prompts provided. I doubt that they are taking pieces from literally who's and use them to replicate their art style. They don't need to. You can already do that with just standard Stable Diffusion because that's how cookie cutter the art style is.

It's basically this, yeah:

They aren't aware that Stable Diffusion and other local models and software exist, they only think online generators like Bing, Dall-E and Midjourney exist.

I wager they even think the generators are on some rampant total artist death for every generation and stealing their precious UWU OCs they willingly share on sites that couldn't give less shit about them.

 

[Bloudwulf]

Imagine how ridiculous and petty it sounds when a human artist starts complaining about someone else stealing their style.

 

[AmpleApricots]

They aren't aware that Stable Diffusion and other local models and software exist, they only think online generators like Bing, Dall-E and Midjourney exist.

They don't realize how far the tech and workflows already are. (I mean people are already making LORAs to put text with specific fonts into images) The new local flux model makes many of the former sota models look really primitive in comparsion. There's probably quite a few people between them who openly disregard AI art while using AI secretly in their work process themselves. An artist who is also a hypocrite? Who could have imagined such a thing exists. If somebody puts the necessary work in, a given AI generation doesn't look any different from anything "handmade", period.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

There's probably quite a few people between them who openly disregard AI art while using AI secretly in their work process themselves.

I remember that back in the days of Dall-E Mini, around early 2022, artists did "redraw challenges" and even created brand new OCs from small blurry images.
Everyone was okay with it. No one was insane, no one cared about copyright laws, and no one was an environmentalist all of a sudden.
There's probably many artists still using OCs that had their designs inspired from those 256x256 images.

Artists would benefit a lot if they just did that again. Considering that models are getting bigger, better, and we also have img2img, inpainting, negative prompts, LoRAs, ControlNet, Seeds, so much more.

Search for "dall-e redraw before:2023" and see for yourself.
Now, all of these same people became moralfags just because AI became too good. If we were still stuck in the DALL-E 2 era, this thread probably wouldn't exist at all.

Spoiler: Examples

 

[Pippa is a spic whore]

Probably not the most popular take here, but I find it a bit strange a guy like this, who is against low effort meaningless art slop, "ready mades" and corners being cut to the detriment of quality, is now producing short AI movies, on the same channel this video was uploaded to.

I don't think anyone hates actual modern art for being low effort, but for being unappealing. If a professional painter paints a masterpiece while not breaking a sweat, I would consider that low effort, but not slop.

The reality is, AI is perfectly capable of mogging the absolute fuck out of the last 30 years of exibition shit that gets confused for literal trash when it's not being used as a status symbol by wealthy kikes (because the wallnana is something you would only spend your "fuck you" money on).

 

[Jeb Bush]

I don't think anyone hates actual modern art for being low effort, but for being unappealing. If a professional painter paints a masterpiece while not breaking a sweat, I would consider that low effort, but not slop.

The reality is, AI is perfectly capable of mogging the absolute fuck out of the last 30 years of exibition shit that gets confused for literal trash when it's not being used as a status symbol by wealthy kikes (because the wallnana is something you would only spend your "fuck you" money on).

That's definitely an aspect of it too. One that the same YouTuber also touches on, during a different video:

It's funny all the criticism these people use against AI, turn into praise, when Damien Hirst does it. He doesn't even make most of the shit he presents and sells as his art, underpaid art intern servants do. He doesn't come up with most of the ideas either - in fact he's even been sued for copying other peoples models exactly (example: Damien Hirst, Emms V. First), but when critics like Robert Hughes* point that out, all the journalists run out of the woods to defend how this is different and how it in fact makes Hirst even more of an artist, than making his own original work would.

The infamous Guardian article includes the following quote:
"Hirst is quite frank about what he doesn't do. He doesn't paint his triumphantly vacuous spot paintings - the best spot paintings by Damien Hirst are those painted by Rachel Howard. His undeniable genius consists in getting people to buy them. Damien Hirst is a brand, because the art form of the 21st century is marketing. To develop so strong a brand on so conspicuously threadbare a rationale is hugely creative - revolutionary even."

TLDR: presenting other people's derivative slop as his own, to scam low IQ kikes or facilitate money laundering is his medium, not the canvas or clay.

*As mentioned in the video, some documentaries by this critic, mysteriously disappeared from most of the Internet, so I wonder if there's somewhere in this forum, where I could eventually host an archive.

 

[AmpleApricots]

the art form of the 21st century is marketing

Art always has been marketing. And a way to launder money.

 

[Jeb Bush]

Art always has been marketing. And a way to launder money.

If that's the case, AI enabling more people to generate images, won't really change anything. Maybe the powers that be, eventually replace the pretentious faggot squirting paint out of their ass, with a different pretentious faggot using AI.

I'm hoping the art market will one day be so saturated with meaningless garbage, even the general public starts pushing for some bare minimum amount of effort and though to be put into it - at least when it comes to the "art" displayed in public spaces, that they're forced to look at.

 

[Anti pedo]

(warning potential sperging)
OH MY FUCK!!! why artists on the internet acting more pathetic each YEAR its just to show many people here do not deserve to be in the industry and they start making strawman video like THIS OR SOMETHING IN LINE!! its EXHAUSTING!!!

https://www.tiktok.com/@animworkersignited

and this account says animations is under attack BY WHO!? BIG CORPORATION IS JUST TO BROAD AND UNPRODUCTIVE
if they hate to be in the industry so much WHY DON'T THEY JUST GO INDIE!!
they could actually help other animators by making them have a job by going indie since animation is a team effort
WHY THEY WASTE SO MUCH ENERGY CAUSING DEMONSTRATION INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY GETTING THEIR IDEAS OUT THERE!! since THEY hate it when THEIR dream show rights got owned by "THE BIG CORPO"

 

[femboy fart huffer]

this one. i got bored and distracted while reading your rambling post and forgot which of the artists was supposed to be the AI one. both styles are generic anime slop you could generate with any generic anime model

So retarded but still correct, as I thought.

Art always has been marketing. And a way to launder money.

Art is 100% marketing, the mona lisa is fucking shit and genuinely one of the worst paintings in the louvre, it's just the most famous. I spent 50usd on a print from some absolute nobody yet the thing hanging on my wall is way more interesting and visually pleasing than '15th century woman.jpeg' but no one cares because the backstory is just someone drew it in procreate and I bought it from a printing company. I have genuinely gotten more enjoyment out of the things I've made with AI than I did from seeing the mona lisa.

 

[Justwandering02]

https://www.tumblr.com/lordsovorn/760230819617980416?source=share

more tumblrina ''artist'' whining about how ai art is EVUL

it funny they use a/i like it voldemort name. Also nevermind they aren't against ''borrowing without permission'' they're just against ai... bunch of hypocrite

 

[GunCar Gary]

https://www.tumblr.com/lordsovorn/760230819617980416?source=share

more tumblrina ''artist'' whining about how ai art is EVUL
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it funny they use a/i like it voldemort name. Also nevermind they aren't against ''borrowing without permission'' they're just against ai... bunch of hypocrite

[AI] often [has] very generic features and details and we love unexpected, original and distinct

Please, consider using these instead: Picrew, video games

lmao, the cognitive dissonance

 

[Justwandering02]

lmao, the cognitive dissonance

that why they fear AI they have no originality or imagination

 

[Jeb Bush]

more tumblrina ''artist'' whining

"It encourages the use of this technique, and tells the companys that oversaw the theft of billions of images that it's ok (and profitable) to do because people still want it."

We must never forget the six billion stolen images. Remember their file names!

 

[std::string]

If somebody puts the necessary work in, a given AI generation doesn't look any different from anything "handmade", period.

Nah, I can clock anything SD does immediately. The shading is a dead giveaway.

 

[AmpleApricots]

anything SD does

Yeah, but who's even talking about SD anymore