2024-08-25 - Alyssa Mercante: "Your Client’s Threat to Tortiously Invade Alyssa Mercante’s Privacy"

[Frenzy of Sharks]

@Frenzy of Sharks Public info is public info. They put it out there, we archive it. It's not our fault that they overshare. But I want specific statutes not a tl:dr of them. I'm sure there would be court orders to take things down if doxing were illegal, but there hasn't been any government take down notices. You're account is a month old, Null keeps things above board and is legally in the clear. The site has won 8 lawsuits. A dox is a dox, like how a gun is gun. They don't do anything on their own, but only when people use them for nefarious reasons, that becomes the problem. The whole reason why people on the site dox is becsuse it's a challenging puzzle for them. They don't harrass or hold it over the person's head. Even if no doxes were allowed on the site, people would go to doxbin which has no rules and will swatt.

I'm not going to argue over the ethics of doxing (I have neutral views on it but I can understand why some jurisdictions are now wanting to crack down on it).

What I'm saying here is that some things on the Internet may not be for long as the law catches up with online culture and activity and I'm pretty surprised some people here aren't aware that some states and countries have made doxing a crime.

Doxing was a niche thing trolls did in the old days for laughs (and they do now) but these days in my observation doxing has become a tool for crime largely thanks to the Zoomer generation that think being a minor will get them a slap on the wrist in court (swatting, sim swapping, and other nonsense of the like that can land someone in prison).

Money laundering was legal until it wasn't because governments recognized it as a tool for crime. DDoSing also used to be legal (or at least tolerated) but now glowies arrest people and throw them in prison for DDoSing or selling said DDoSing tools.

Since some speds on the Internet don't know how to control themselves, it's only a matter of time until the democratic developed world (and even some autocratic countries like Russia that have since banned doxing as well) will recognize doxing as a crime.

So far, only 12 states in America have made doxing as a fully recognized crime with some states only partially criminalizing it and this trend isn't slowing down.

I'm aware that Kiwi Farms survived the likes of Keffals and the various lolsuits but inevitably we may face someone where Null may not be so lucky (especially since world governments of developed countries and most normies don't want websites like Kiwi Farms to even exist).

Also, since I noticed your edit and you asked for a source then here is the news where Alabama made doxing a crime, doxing has been a crime in Alabama as of a month ago as I write this:

https://www.wtvy.com/2024/08/07/district-attorney-speaks-importance-doxing-law/

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

You wouldn't lick a dirty ashtray, would you?

I wouldn't lick an ashtay, even if it was clean

Cause that's weird.

 

[Butwhythough2]

DDoSing also used to be legal (or at least tolerated) but now glowies arrest people and throw them in prison for DDoSing or selling said DDoSing tools.

DDos attacks aren't penalized that much, take this site as an example. There was one guy who rented a booter and DDosed the site every month he got his tugboat he'd do it, this went on for a long time. The government didn't do shit. Which tells me that they don't enforce the law evenly. Now they may prosecute people who DDos big companies but a little gossip site they could care less about. I'm pretty sure the glowies will turn a blind eye to people committing actual crimes to Josh and any other person who might be super critical of the government.

Doxing was a niche thing trolls do in the old days for laughs but these days doxing has become a tool for crime largely thanks to the Zoomer generation

Yeah, zoomers don't care, they'll do what ever they want, consequences be damned. I understand that. I carry a gun, I don't live in a great neighborhood and I'll hear niggers firing their glocks with switches straight up into the air, nothing happens. The police don't show or anything. They're confrontational if you tell them to fuck off its because it's midnight they'll get ready to fight. I don't trust a single one of those faggots and I'm prepared to defend myself need be. So I know the zoomer mindset.


I understand your points. But I think Hardin can handle these things well, he's defended this site from 8 lawsuits. I trust the man. Plus we gotta support Null as he's really the only one standing up for our right to post what we want to say.

 

[Frenzy of Sharks]

DDos attacks aren't penalized that much, take this site as an example. There was one guy who rented a booter and DDosed the site every month he got his tugboat he'd do it, this went on for a long time. The government didn't do shit. Which tells me that they don't enforce the law evenly. Now they may prosecute people who DDos big companies but a little gossip site they could care less about. I'm pretty sure the glowies will turn a blind eye to people committing actual crimes to Josh and any other person who might be super critical of the government.

Yeah, zoomers don't care, they'll do what ever they want, consequences be damned. I understand that. I carry a gun, I don't live in a great neighborhood and I'll hear niggers firing their glocks with switches straight up into the air, nothing happens. The police don't show or anything. They're confrontational if you tell them to fuck off its because it's midnight they'll get ready to fight. I don't trust a single one of those faggots and I'm prepared to defend myself need be. So I know the zoomer mindset.


I understand your points. But I think Hardin can handle these things well, he's defended this site from 8 lawsuits. I trust the man. Plus we gotta support Null as he's really the only one standing up for our right to post what we want to say.

Likewise.

Me personally, I'm just enjoying the last bastions of the old Internet before it's finally gone.

When the day does come that Kiwi Farms and sites like it are no more, I'll remember them as one of the wildest rides of my life. We're getting old.

 

[Butwhythough2]

Likewise.

Me personally, I'm just enjoying the last bastions of the old Internet before it's finally gone.

When the day does come that Kiwi Farms and sites like it are no more, I'll remember them as one of the wildest rides of my life. We're getting old.

We ain't going down without a fight.

 

[TheArtilleryman]

Uh oh guys, these are the brave warriors here to cancel us for making fun of Alyssa.

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So that's where Matt Lucas has been

 

[Manimal House]

I feel like websites like Kiwi Farms are now on borrowed time.

I don't see what there is to worry about in the case of this site. Even if the entirity of the US outlawed doxing, KF would just remove the doxes and carry on, right? It's not as though the farms is built on posting that kind of info, it's there because it's public information and any legally obtained info about a person is allowed to be posted in a thread. If that has to go, so be it. We can still laugh at retards without knowing any of that.

As for my own feelings on the Internet public safety crackdown, I guess it boils down to what constitutes a dox. Posting a picture of someone else's face is one thing, posting their employer's phone number and relative's addresses is different. I've seen some dox info get posted that looks like personal army requests, not sure what any other point would be. And I don't believe in 'what get's put on the Internet stays on it forever' because things get removed from the web all the time if it's old, unimportant or sought after. My biggest fear is that a public safety crackdown will inevitably lead to the requirement of using a Government issued ID to go online in order to eliminate anonymity. THAT would kill the Internet as we know it, guarenteed.

If those laws are made is the government going to take action against the telephone book and white pages?

God, if only. I'm so sick of getting spammed by scammer calls, ads and spam emails due to what's provided by whitepages and such sites, let alone user data being transferred/sold. The only reason I haven't changed my phone number is because I want to see how long I can put up with it.

 

[Butwhythough2]

(the law states that data brokers like phone books are exempt from this law as they provide a service that is not related to harassment).

We do somewhat offer a service with doxing. The Zoosadist, the monkey torture people, and a few pedophiles have been caught and convicted because of the info from the forum. Ridding the world of those people is a public service, and even though we are just a gossip site, there is real activism going on in those threads. The Just Stop Oil people are annoying as hell, but they can block roads and destroy art yet their activism is allowed. Why can't ours be allowed to exist. Our #1 rule is not to harrass the cow, only observe it. Anyone who is caught breaking the rule is often Halaled and a thread is made on them. Even if the mods don't instantly approve the halal we tend to moderate ourselves to some extent.

 

[Strangolapreti]

Mercante is the italian word for salesman.
Is alyssa a disgusting member of the globo schlomo?

 

[Kola]

BTW, KUSK law were involved in the following:

- Fong-Jones campaign to deprive KiwiFarms of various online services: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/total-retard-war-lessons-of-war.178523/post-17374864
- Connected to Nick Rekieta (not sure how exactly, because I don't follow this topic): https://kiwifarms.st/threads/nicholas-robert-rekieta-rekieta-law-nickrekieta.53871/post-12431262
- Connected to Akiva Cohen and Kathryn Tewson who is employed by them as Paralegal (or was): https://kiwifarms.st/threads/weeb-w...standwithvic-vickicksback.53670/post-11111079

 

[Frenzy of Sharks]

BTW, KUSK law were involved in the following:

- Fong-Jones campaign to deprive KiwiFarms of various online services: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/total-retard-war-lessons-of-war.178523/post-17374864
- Connected to Nick Rekieta (not sure how exactly, because I don't follow this topic): https://kiwifarms.st/threads/nicholas-robert-rekieta-rekieta-law-nickrekieta.53871/post-12431262
- Connected to Akiva Cohen and Kathryn Tewson who is employed by them as Paralegal (or was): https://kiwifarms.st/threads/weeb-w...standwithvic-vickicksback.53670/post-11111079

Then it's probably coordinated as it seems connected.

Could be troons now using the new Florida anti-doxing law to get their revenge, could be Rackets wanting to spite Null, could be Ty Beard wanting vengeance. Could be a combination of the three (I wouldn't put the possibility of a gayops behind me).

2024 has not been a good year for Alt Tech. Alex Jones losing everything in a defamation lawsuit, Kim Dotcom likely being extradited to America, the CEO of Telegram under arrest, and probably Kiwi Farms may be next on the chopping block. Who knows what will happen next.

 

[The Great Milenko]

Call me a gross, but all crazy bitches are FANTASTIC in bed.

What is the over/under of hitting it and living to survive to tell the tale?

 

[CyrusKissFanClub]

I've looked at Florida law and it seems they made doxing illegal back in 2021 where publishing of personal identifying information (this includes mailing addresses, phone numbers, and social security numbers) with the intention to harass (that they define as bringing emotional distress that serves no purpose) is a criminal offense in Florida

Intent matters. In Gersh v. Anglin, Andrew Anglin specified his intent by instructing his readers to harass the plaintiff when he published her dox. There is no implicit or explicit instruction to harass any lolcow when they have been doxed on this forum. The motive for doxing on KF is to obtain more information on the lolcow in question.

While I don't think this lawsuit will go anywhere (I'd be surprised if it does), that doesn't mean Null won't be out of the woods because Florida law can still royally screw him over considering that a large chunk of what is posted here on Kiwi Farms are doxes

A "large chunk of what is posted here on Kiwi Farms" is not dox; they are social media content. Many threads have no dox.

someone featured here on the farms can bring him to civil court over damages

Specifically, what damages?

If you remember the Alex Jones defamation case, the Sandy Hook families brought in a lawsuit to sue Alex Jones for every last penny out of him

So what? What is the relevance of a defamation case to any of the content on KF?

It might be Chris-Chan, it might be Keffals back to their old tricks again

What would be the actionable claim for either of these two?

The way I see it, sooner or later Kiwi Farms and other websites like it will go down as the laws change that don't favor communities like ours.

Your account is one month old. How have you come to identify so closely with the forum after just one month?

 

[Slimeball92A]

Call me a gross, but all crazy bitches are FANTASTIC in bed.

What is the over/under of hitting it and living to survive to tell the tale?

Leaning in your favor with 2 paper bags, one for her, and one for you, in case hers falls off.

 

[Kheapathic]

What is the over/under of hitting it and living to survive to tell the tale?

Fake name, fake ID, never at places you know. It's fun, and even if they're not the kill you type crazy, they'll try to ruin your life other ways. Like I said earlier in the thread and this cuts both ways; live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[unaboomer]

But now that lawmakers are catching up with the times as far as technology is concerned

We know these laws will only be selectively applied. Journoscum will still be free to dox and shame wrong thinkers on publications with thousands of readers, people finder services will still sell detailed consumer reports to anyone with a few bucks, and Discord trannies will still anonymously contact employers to get people fired.

Regardless of the spirit of the law, they won't outlaw one of the most effective tools for enforcing compliance with the prevailing corporate monoculture. What we'll probably get in practice is "the right to be forgotten" like in the EU.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Also, since I noticed your edit and you asked for a source then here is the news where Alabama made doxing a crime, doxing has been a crime in Alabama as of a month ago as I write this:

Your posts contain alot of assertions but you don't quote the relevant statute

https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-alabama/title-13a-criminal-code/chapter-11-offenses-against-public-order-and-safety/article-2-offenses-against-privacy/section-13a-11-38-doxing-penalties

(b) An individual commits the crime of doxing if he or she does either of the following:(1) Intentionally electronically publishes, posts, or provides personal identifying information of another individual, with the intent that others will use that information to harass or harm that other individual, and the other individual is actually harassed or harmed.(2) Intentionally electronically publishes, posts, or provides personal identifying information of a law enforcement officer, firefighter, or public servant, with the intent that others will use that information to harass, harm, or impede the duties of that law enforcement officer, firefighter, or public servant, and the law enforcement officer, firefighter, or public servant is actually harassed, harmed, or impeded from performing his or her governmental function.

The law in Alabama has a second element of harassment to become a crime. Mere information (in many cases, needed to verify identities, something reporters commonly do) is not a crime in of itself.

 

[GPRIMACADO]

Intent matters. In Gersh v. Anglin, Andrew Anglin specified his intent by instructing his readers to harass the plaintiff when he published her dox. There is no implicit or explicit instruction to harass any lolcow when they have been doxed on this forum. The motive for doxing on KF is to obtain more information on the lolcow in question.

Once again, Florida becoming a very Oy Vey state.

(b)Harass the person

Great legal jargon, most lawsuits are harassment. Plus on top of that, if dox weren't available how would one send certified letter or subpoena to said person in a lawsuit Florida? lmao

>"I got this letter for being sued! I'm being harassed they found my location!"

Then you add Florida's antisemitic law.

>"I got this letter from a antisemite to be sued! Help, oy vey! They found my location via a dox!!!"

 

[RiceofSkywalker]

- Connected to Nick Rekieta (not sure how exactly, because I don't follow this topic): https://kiwifarms.st/threads/nicholas-robert-rekieta-rekieta-law-nickrekieta.53871/post-12431262

It's been posted earlier in the thread but Cohen, Two-Ton, the faggot representing Mercante and other faggots were part of a gay little Twitter clique called the "Threadnaught" back in the days of Weebwars.

They stumbled into a W over Balldo because Vic (the Weebwars guy) had a shit trial judge and also was represented by some bumbling boomer lawyer recommended by Balldo (Ty Beard).

The Threadnaught clique has been blowing each other publicly and cast-couching each other into legal industry positions ever since.

 

[Baked Buu]

Whats the timestamp?
Afaik Alyssa only said she will set up a gfm, but hasnt done so yet.
I'd never recommend anyone do it but one could possibly front-run Alyssa with a fake GFM and try to get some unobservant retards to send them money. It's probably illegal though so please don't do it.

It was at the 1:39 mark. I guess I wasn't listening, you're right she is 'going to' set up a GoFucMe. Sorry for the confusion.