Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Still Exceptional]

It still amazes me that Meyer is sperging at others for doing with movies what he does to comics, but far less successfully. At least people watch them. At least they're making money. He calls them Birthday Party Clowns, but he's even less than they are. At least people want to see their content and their audiences aren't actively abandoning them in droves.

If they're Birthday Party Clowns, then Richard C Meyer is a Hobo Clown standing on the street corner in a filthy piss soaked clown costume he dug out of a dumpster making balloon animals out of used condoms he found in a parking lot while only his fellow freaks watch on and everyone else tries desperately to avoid him..

 

[Captain Manning]

I repeat, NOBODY in EVS' circle is going to sign up for that shit. In fact that defeats the whole purpose of a crowdfund when you need the money up front to produce your product.

Oh, FFS! That's been FROG's refrain for years. He's flung that shit at Iconic (Lim, et al.), July, and others as an excuse for why they get their shit out on time but he can't. He says they're just using crowdfunding as a storefront, and that's why they can ship on time.

I'm fucking sick of hearing it.

Of course, I get that you need money upfront for things like printing costs, but that's not FROG's problem. FROG's problem is it takes him forever to draw his books. That's the bottleneck. He doesn't need money to do that. He's a lazy grifter. The obscene lateness is 100% his fault and has nothing... NOTHING... to do with crowdfunding or financial resources.

Come on man, you know this. Everybody in this thread should know that by now.

EDIT: Typo.

 

[Fleetwood]

Hip Hop Family Tree got an audience because it was published as a little feature in a bigger magazine. if it came out as multiple volumes of hundreds of pages right off the bat, very few people would buy it.

Hip Hop Family Tree also had floppies and Free Comic Book Day editions (that's where I found it). Also it has a built in audience, old school Hip Hop fans. It's a very straight forward concept, the history of Hip Hop, unlike Zack's latest...

Zack's "true history of comics" is 22 pages of him telling his dents the story of the 3 years he spent jerking off to Punisher and Batman books he bought from a gas station. Truly one of the great creators of our time.

This is also about what I pictured the comic will be. It's not like he can have Wolverine and GI Joe and Batman in there unless he's betting that he won't have a C&D for his stupid comic of maybe 1,000 copies. The comic will be about Richard's life from 1988-1991 coughing in his car re-reading the comics having war flashbacks.

Graham Nolan and Mike Baron could do it. Not sure about anyone else.

The geezers can finish their work on time but probably don't have pocket money to pay for printing and shipping and in Baron's case paying an artist to draw it.

Of course, I get that you need money upfront for things like printing costs, but that's not FROG's problem. FROG's problem is it takes him forever to draw his books. That's the bottleneck. He doesn't need money to do that. He's a lazy grifter. The obscene lateness is 100% his fault and has nothing... NOTHING... to do with crowdfunding or financial resources.

@FROG has the pocket money to pay for most things but is crowdfunding anyway. Maybe not the toys but everything involved in making books,, trading cards, merch & clothing etc. It's been over 5 years of running a business like a pennyless beggar. By now he should be able to just have a company and sell things which is what Eric July did immediately, that's gotta hurt. Eric didn't have to pay Indiegogo fees either. After reading the fine print it's clear this trusted badge will never be worn by any comicsgate people. I think Indiegogo has bigger problems with expensive tech items than books anyway that is why they did this.

 

[Captain Manning]

@FROG has the pocket money to pay for most things but is crowdfunding anyway. Maybe not the toys but everything involved in making books,, trading cards, merch & clothing etc. It's been over 5 years of running a business like a pennyless beggar.

I don't necessarily resent him crowdfunding, even though he doesn't need to (though I can see the argument it's stupid and he probably shouldn't). Iconic does the same thing. They use crowdfunding basically as a storefront for initial releases. Whatever. I got my books on time from Iconic.

I resent the fact he crowdfunds and then mostly sits on his fat ass for years at a time instead of working on the books people crowdfunded.

That's his biggest sin. And it's a willful sin that is entirely within his ability to correct. His ability alone. The majority of CG follows his shitty example.

 

[Grunka Lunka]

The geezers can finish their work on time but probably don't have pocket money to pay for printing and shipping and in Baron's case paying an artist to draw it.

I was just referring to deadlines. Not the money aspect.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

crowd fund a 48 page comic should take any one creator no more than one fucking year. 1 Fucking year @FROG !

Screaming at eric july about attacking crowd funders did nothing more that shine a light on ethan's buisness practices, and half a decade old campaign. Instead of drawing the comic @FROG adds widgets made in china like toys for a comic that has never been published.

EVS hurt more Indi creators dependent on Crowd funding than eric july ever did. Ethan is the Comics Antichrist.

 

[Captain Manning]

crowd fund a 48 page comic should take any one creator no more than one fucking year. 1 Fucking year @FROG !

It shouldn't even take that long. Again, it's not the lack of resources that is slowing things up. It's him. He's lazy. He's complacent. He shows contempt for his customers. He'd much rather stream hours a day than work on his books.

He works at about a page per month. He works slower than Michelangelo painting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

You'd think he has to go out, kill virgins, drain their blood, and mix it with the ink or some shit.

 

[Grumpus]

crowd fund a 48 page comic should take any one creator no more than one fucking year. 1 Fucking year @FROG !

How about running the same fundraiser twice?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-superiors?utm_source=backerkit&utm_medium=web#/

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1896786551/the-superiors/posts

Run the same comic though 2 separate crowd funding campaigns years apart.

48 pages in 1 year is one thing, but 48 pages twice, once in 2015 and again in 2023? The fuck is this?

Was a good book! And id genuinely love a part 2 as it's open to a continuation, but wtf is this?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

How about running the same fundraiser twice?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-superiors?utm_source=backerkit&utm_medium=web#/

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1896786551/the-superiors/posts

Run the same comic though 2 separate crowd funding campaigns years apart.

48 pages in 1 year is one thing, but 48 pages twice, once in 2015 and again in 2023? The fuck is this?

Was a good book! And id genuinely love a part 2 as it's open to a continuation, but wtf is this?

Is it against tos to run campaigns on competitive sites?

 

[Captain Manning]

Is it against tos to run campaigns on competitive sites?

I don't think so. Iconic does it for Kamen America. They use both KS and IGG.

But they do it simultaneously, I believe. Or close enough. Running the same campaign, on two different sites, 7 years apart, is a new one on me though. That seems... at a minimum... weird.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

@Fandom Pulse I am done ribbing on you for the near future. Your recent actions prove that you can take criticism and self correct.

I like these video's not because I like you, I like this video cause when it comes to evs its true ..... JDA Coin rising
https://youtu.be/aEICUZOQ4n0?si=qUaRnxpA1K_sa75N

 

[Fleetwood]

How about running the same fundraiser twice?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-superiors?utm_source=backerkit&utm_medium=web#/

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1896786551/the-superiors/posts

Run the same comic though 2 separate crowd funding campaigns years apart.

48 pages in 1 year is one thing, but 48 pages twice, once in 2015 and again in 2023? The fuck is this?

Was a good book! And id genuinely love a part 2 as it's open to a continuation, but wtf is this?

This is old news, but the majority of the books Clint Hillinski has sold in comicsgate were available years ago on Kickstarter. Even some of them were claimed to have been written by Mandy Summers yet are obviously just recycled kickstarters. She might have changed some word bubbles to say hey 'yall or some shit. Go thru his projects there you will see. The guy is also a certified tracer and swiper. A while back CG was trying to push that Mark Brooks is a tracer with no proof when they have Hillinski, Kyle Ritter, and others caught red handed. Such cope.

Is it against tos to run campaigns on competitive sites?

It's not, sometimes they even have an option to show the combined total raised.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

Thanks for the money, dummies!

 

[Fandom Pulse]

@Fandom Pulse I am done ribbing on you for the near future. Your recent actions prove that you can take criticism and self correct.

I like these video's not because I like you, I like this video cause when it comes to evs its true ..... JDA Coin rising
https://youtu.be/aEICUZOQ4n0?si=qUaRnxpA1K_sa75N

haha, thanks I think. This wasn't born out of anything other than Ethan being a complete faggot and picking at me over and over to turn his audience against me for months and then pretending like he didn't. I tried to be nice and just be friendly with everyone but he is such a narcissistic sack of shit there's only so much someone can take.

Getting revenue out of it so I can pay for more comic art to produce comics even faster to trigger him even more is a side bonus.

 

[TrueDeath]

What I don't get about Ethan never completing a book is, it would be so easy to complete them, and there's really no upside to not finishing them. Yeah it takes some work, but that work is drawing, and he's drawn his whole life. Probably he spent many years drawing for free just because he liked doing it.

These comics are 48 pages long, that takes a pro 48 days to draw. But of course you don't want to work weekends that's fine. And the 5 day, 40 hour work week, that's a drag, take Wednesday off too. Free hump day. And you're trying to do a really good job to show those woke chuds back at DC, so you go slow and take two days a page. And you need at least one extra day per page to sketch out concepts and get the layout just right. And you would like to treat yourself to a two week long cruise for getting the book half done. Great, wonderful. That would still take less than 9 months to complete.

And once you're a year late, why not just crank it out and be done? It's getting to the point where it looks like some kind of deranged social psychology experiment to see how long people will give you money because you agree with their politics on the internet.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

What I don't get about Ethan never completing a book is, it would be so easy to complete them, and there's really no upside to not finishing them. Yeah it takes some work, but that work is drawing, and he's drawn his whole life. Probably he spent many years drawing for free just because he liked doing it.

These comics are 48 pages long, that takes a pro 48 days to draw. But of course you don't want to work weekends that's fine. And the 5 day, 40 hour work week, that's a drag, take Wednesday off too. Free hump day. And you're trying to do a really good job to show those woke chuds back at DC, so you go slow and take two days a page. And you need at least one extra day per page to sketch out concepts and get the layout just right. And you would like to treat yourself to a two week long cruise for getting the book half done. Great, wonderful. That would still take less than 9 months to complete.

And once you're a year late, why not just crank it out and be done? It's getting to the point where it looks like some kind of deranged social psychology experiment to see how long people will give you money because you agree with their politics on the internet.

Dude livestreams like 7-8 hours a fucking day. Not as much time to create comics after that.

 

[Shazam]

Mr. Birchum is just a shit show with shit, preachy writing that embodies why conservatives can’t do storytelling or animation for shit. I have no hope for DW to make quality content. The Rippaverse just started so we’ll see where it goes.

I don't disagree about Mr. Birchum (and it sucks because my favorite VA is in the show) but I thought Terror on the Prairie was pretty good. And that was made by DW.

 

[Arkenas Einbrecht]

What I don't get about Ethan never completing a book is, it would be so easy to complete them, and there's really no upside to not finishing them. Yeah it takes some work, but that work is drawing, and he's drawn his whole life. Probably he spent many years drawing for free just because he liked doing it.

These comics are 48 pages long, that takes a pro 48 days to draw. But of course you don't want to work weekends that's fine. And the 5 day, 40 hour work week, that's a drag, take Wednesday off too. Free hump day. And you're trying to do a really good job to show those woke chuds back at DC, so you go slow and take two days a page. And you need at least one extra day per page to sketch out concepts and get the layout just right. And you would like to treat yourself to a two week long cruise for getting the book half done. Great, wonderful. That would still take less than 9 months to complete.

And once you're a year late, why not just crank it out and be done? It's getting to the point where it looks like some kind of deranged social psychology experiment to see how long people will give you money because you agree with their politics on the internet.

Dude livestreams like 7-8 hours a fucking day. Not as much time to create comics after that.

Its just as Dafuq said here. To be added to that list are; Frogs' propensity for attending concerts; sporting events; meet-ups; gambling; with these taken into consideration as well, he has even less time for art.

Also, something I've observed while working on a private project( that is to say its non-commercial): artists are often extremely whimsical. Even phenoms like Miura(creator of Berserk) took extended breaks to do what ever had caught his fancy at that time.

The artists that don't fall into this trap are the exceptions in my experience, rather than the rule. Only two artists I've commissioned(out of 2 dozen) deliver a basic sketch within 3 days. I do understand that is a very small sample size, so take what I am saying here with a grain of salt.

EDIT: correcting my retardation REEEE

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Who knew shitting on your fanbase could result in a horrendous middle period of a campaign.



Says the dude who blamed who "muh piskor" all over Wrestlemania weekend & continues to name drop him when fans call out his behavior.

 

[northstar747]

crowd fund a 48 page comic should take any one creator no more than one fucking year. 1 Fucking year

So help me out here.

How are comics drawn these days? Like could someone basically write or plot out their story. Then how many hours does a page take? Because it seems like more practical model would be to get the project roughly done then do the campaign

I get the EVS doesnt like to work and has time to stream and trash cast which is easy money.