Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Miniluv]

How are comics drawn these days? Like could someone basically write or plot out their story. Then how many hours does a page take? Because it seems like more practical model would be to get the project roughly done then do the campaign

Depends on the artist. I'd assume anyone who's ever done a regular monthly for a while has the workflow down enough to get out a page a day. It's a pretty tight schedule but doable and was an unofficial standard for decades. A lot of the old school guys could do more than that.

Self-publishing is pretty easy these days and digital tools can streamline some of the more labor intensive parts of the process. So I guess that means however long it takes depends on the discipline of the artist when an editor isn't enforcing hard deadlines on them.

 

[Fleetwood]

How are comics drawn these days? Like could someone basically write or plot out their story. Then how many hours does a page take? Because it seems like more practical model would be to get the project roughly done then do the campaign

First you get people to pay for it, then... profit.

 

[FedPostalService]

crowd fund a 48 page comic should take any one creator no more than one fucking year. 1 Fucking year @FROG !

Screaming at eric july about attacking crowd funders did nothing more that shine a light on ethan's buisness practices, and half a decade old campaign. Instead of drawing the comic @FROG adds widgets made in china like toys for a comic that has never been published.

EVS hurt more Indi creators dependent on Crowd funding than eric july ever did. Ethan is the Comics Antichrist.

Why do these guys insist on doing the Marvel method when producing these too? If they’re taking their time why not just do it all yourself and keep the money? Surely any retard can letter? Colouring should be in the skillset of any artist?

Why use the speedy production line technique if you’re not bothered about releasing it quickly?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Why use the speedy production line technique if you’re not bothered about releasing it quickly?

Ill say year 1 They underestimated the difficulty in running a campaign. It's a common theme most of cg be using the crowdfund money to build or maintain a lifestyle. 3 years later it's mostly a ponzi scheme to keep pumping campaigns to fund the previous campaign. There will be a time when they make a campaign that under performs & can't fund neither current or previous campaigns. It's debt consolidation.

 

[chalkyresidue]

Why do these guys insist on doing the Marvel method when producing these too? If they’re taking their time why not just do it all yourself and keep the money? Surely any retard can letter? Colouring should be in the skillset of any artist?

Why use the speedy production line technique if you’re not bothered about releasing it quickly?

Some kind of instinct. Memory of what they used to do. ​

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

Who knew shitting on your fanbase could result in a horrendous middle period of a campaign.

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Says the dude who blamed who "muh piskor" all over Wrestlemania weekend & continues to name drop him when fans call out his behavior.

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I hate this retarded nigger more than DSP...

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

I hate this retarded nigger more than DSP...

Dsp is aware of his social incapablities.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

Dsp is aware of his social incapablities.

So did Rosa Malin Have a stroke? when did he start doing these 6 hour couch streams? this is beyond autistic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBzCIbLZHhw

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

So did Rosa Malin Have a stroke? when did he start doing these 6 hour couch streams? this is beyond autistic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBzCIbLZHhw

Malin brain's is fried by hallucinogens. I'm surprised he could even stream.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Who knew shitting on your fanbase could result in a horrendous middle period of a campaign.

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Says the dude who blamed who "muh piskor" all over Wrestlemania weekend & continues to name drop him when fans call out his behavior.

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Zach you haven't noticed your sub count drop below 100k? Are you serious? Your facebook boomer posts have driven away all the money you faggot.

 

[Micah Curtis]

So help me out here.

How are comics drawn these days? Like could someone basically write or plot out their story. Then how many hours does a page take? Because it seems like more practical model would be to get the project roughly done then do the campaign

I get the EVS doesnt like to work and has time to stream and trash cast which is easy money.

There's a few people in the thread who make comics, but I'm getting to this first so I'll give an idea.

Ultimately it depends on your penciller, but the average for the pencil work is 4-5 pages a week on average. Some artists are slower, some are pretty quick. If the pages need to be inked, that's gonna increase the time it takes to get it done (which is why so many artists do digital these days, since you can do both simultaneously)

General expectation for colorists is to turn in 3 pages a week.

The flow goes like this: Script gets written -> Penciller does the pencil layers (inks possibly as well) -> Colors get done -> Print and ship

 

[Fandom Pulse]

Wow, I broke him. I need a giant mad at the internet emoji for X.

As far as comics, a professional can get art done for a 66 page graphic novel in about 6 months pencils and inks no problem. You start colors as soon as you get a batch of like 8 pencil pages it'll be done within 2 months after that and out the door.

 

[northstar747]

Hey guys thanks for the answers

So is a year a reasonable amount of time to get some books done?

 

[KingofSomething]

So is a year a reasonable amount of time to get some books done?

If you can't get a book done in a year, it's either not your main focus or you're incompetent. There\s really no reason guys like Ethan or Malin can't at least finish a book in year aside from sheer laziness.. They got the experience and the funds to churn these things out.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

So help me out here.

How are comics drawn these days? Like could someone basically write or plot out their story. Then how many hours does a page take? Because it seems like more practical model would be to get the project roughly done then do the campaign

I get the EVS doesnt like to work and has time to stream and trash cast which is easy money.

The thing to remember is Malin's a digital guy to my knowledge. Which makes the work even faster. You're inking as you draw. You can pick up and move objects around that are already "complete". You can rearrange a finished page.

Digital also makes digital coloring easier, and of course, lettering easier. You can move a character over a bit to make room for a Bendis sized paragraph if you need that kind of self glorification.

So in reality, his works should be coming out even faster than the other guys.
I work with digital artists, I find their works to be a tad bit more exotic and bold because they can take bigger risks with the art itself given at any time during the production, they can change things. It's a different psychology I guess.

There again, Malin should be able to produce 48 pages (if he's not working on someone else's stuff) within 6 months.
The Freelancers I work with take about a year because they have multiple jobs going on at once and they also have IRL jobs. They're not like Malin who can dedicate himself to 12 hour days.

For at least the past 2 years, maybe more, the passion's gone from most of the American comic medium. I said MOST not all.
It's hard to motivate people who aren't self starters without that passion floating in the air.
It's not the 90's anymore, it's current year.

 

[huckbeine]

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How are comics drawn these days? Like could someone basically write or plot out their story. Then how many hours does a page take? Because it seems like more practical model would be to get the project roughly done then do the campaign

it always depend on the artist and the distribution. weekly manga like shounen jump mostly had their artist draw a 16 page chapter in 3 days, the rest are meetings with editors and stuff like planning for future chapters. american comics used to do almost the same thing too back in their golden age of 60s to 80s

artists like Kaoru Mori used to draw Otoyomegatari monthly but was forced to do it every 2 months by her editor because she kept ante-up the details and doing long hours drawing is affecting her health

just look at the detail here compared to greeble porn of Cyberfrog

 

[Grunka Lunka]

Is it against tos to run campaigns on competitive sites?

No. It apparently just takes work/time and at least with FMC, gotta get approved. Baron for instance does all three. Am sure he has someone that does it for him. Narwhal did IGG and FMC last round. Said he would have also done KS, but was too time consuming I guess. Tucci in a stream suggested he makes sure to give KS a try next time since he thought it'd get a lot of traction there.

What I don't get about Ethan never completing a book is, it would be so easy to complete them, and there's really no upside to not finishing them. Yeah it takes some work, but that work is drawing, and he's drawn his whole life. Probably he spent many years drawing for free just because he liked doing it.

These comics are 48 pages long, that takes a pro 48 days to draw. But of course you don't want to work weekends that's fine. And the 5 day, 40 hour work week, that's a drag, take Wednesday off too. Free hump day. And you're trying to do a really good job to show those woke chuds back at DC, so you go slow and take two days a page. And you need at least one extra day per page to sketch out concepts and get the layout just right. And you would like to treat yourself to a two week long cruise for getting the book half done. Great, wonderful. That would still take less than 9 months to complete.

And once you're a year late, why not just crank it out and be done? It's getting to the point where it looks like some kind of deranged social psychology experiment to see how long people will give you money because you agree with their politics on the internet.

Dude livestreams like 7-8 hours a fucking day. Not as much time to create comics after that.

As said, he streams a lot. Not to mention he probably spends nearly as much time on Twitter (am blocked so can't say for sure).

In addition to that, he streams a lot because he apparently makes decent money from it. And a good chunk of people that buy his books seem to be OK with waiting a long time because "quality takes time." But in reality, it's just because he's lazy. Even at a page a week, he should be able to crank out a book in about a year. I get that it will then have to go to a colorist and letterer, but from what I gather. That isn't usually that huge of a bottleneck. And for the coloring at least, he could submit pages to get colored as he's penciling/inking the comic. Although since everyone seems to use Eric Weathers, I suppose if he's busy it could cause a delay. After that you have the printer potentially cause a delay, but that isn't really the issue in EVS case.

 

[Mr Processor]

Zack prepares to publicly suck the dick of another bad movie. Congratulations to Richard C. Meyers. Sure beats working for a living, eh Zack?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

He lost around 6 or so thousand being "muh audience captured" good luck capturing a growing crowdund in the future if you're struggling with a comic cover book. It's not looking so good for hobo clown meyer.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

https://www.youtube.com/live/3TCdhPeJAyA?si=eN4sMZQNn-QChx9H

In EVS’s latest live he is lambasting EJ for liquidating his remaining ISOM #1 copies for 5 bucks a piece when his original backers originally paid 50 bucks for the comic.I hate to say it but EVS has a point here.

Don't know about this. It was a sale, and it only lasted for a week, and I'm sure the price of ISOM #1 would naturally drop even if it wasn't for sale.