Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Mississippi Motorboater]

The more footage I see of Star Wars Outlaws, the funnier it becomes when you realize that this is effectively supposed to be Disney/LFL's version of Shadows of the Empire. It's a smuggler story set between ESB and ROTJ. And it somehow not only manages to be a worse game than a janky but earnest LucasArts Effort from the early days of 3D gaming from 1996, but it doesn't introduce a single narrative component or concept that anyone is going to give a fuck about in ten years time.

I know people lampoon bits of Shadows for some of its derivative elements (most notably Dash Rendar being Diet Han Solo--something I actually push back against, given his characterization in EU novels), but it also introduced a lot of cool things that are still being referenced today. Remember Prince Xizor? Remember his faction, the Black Sun Cartel? Remember Guri, Xizor's blonde bombshell assassin, popular enough to get her own comic? Remember Boba Fett's tie-in comic series, of him fighting tooth-and-nail to race back to Jabba with Han's Carbonite Body, while fending off an army of Bounty Hunters trying to pry his prize from him? Remember the fully-orchestrated soundtrack release, which had a song that created an entire chunk of lore for Coruscant and two warring alien species that existed there before it was a city? Remember the game's Train Sequence on Ord Mantell, or the Jetpack Duel with Boba Fett? Remember Dash's cool as fuck ship the Outrider, and Xizor's even cooler, terminally badass Star Viper?

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Man, we're a long way from 1996. I want this era of Star Wars back so badly, it hurts.

 

[Gondolindrim]

but it doesn't introduce a single narrative component or concept that anyone is going to give a fuck about in ten years time.

I know people lampoon bits of Shadows for some of its derivative elements (most notably Dash Rendar being Diet Han Solo--something I actually push back against, given his characterization in EU novels), but it also introduced a lot of cool things that are still being referenced today. Remember Prince Xizor? Remember his faction, the Black Sun Cartel? Remember Guri, Xizor's blonde bombshell assassin, popular enough to get her own comic? Remember Boba Fett's tie-in comic series, of him fighting tooth-and-nail to race back to Jabba with Han's Carbonite Body, while fending off an army of Bounty Hunters trying to pry his prize from him? Remember the fully-orchestrated soundtrack release, which had a song that created an entire chunk of lore for Coruscant and two warring alien species that existed there before it was a city? Remember the game's Train Sequence on Ord Mantell, or the Jetpack Duel with Boba Fett? Remember Dash's cool as fuck ship the Outrider, and Xizor's even cooler, terminally badass Star Viper?

That's always been Disney's MO: Reintroduce lesser versions of things from the old EU and then pretend they came up with them. How they've managed to make the galactic underworld feel so tiny and lifeless needs to be studied. Not everything comes back to Jabba the Hutt for instance, he's a tiny part of a huge machine.

 

[Male Idiot]

They fucked up Thrawn, they can fuck uo the underworld.

Ubislop rolled a natural 20 to make EA look good by comparison. That explosion animation looks dated as fuck. They also touch up their gameplay trailers which is just the perfect french type of scummy.

 

[LovisXVI]

That's always been Disney's MO: Reintroduce lesser versions of things from the old EU and then pretend they came up with them. How they've managed to make the galactic underworld feel so tiny and lifeless needs to be studied. Not everything comes back to Jabba the Hutt for instance, he's a tiny part of a huge machine.

This whole thing would have been a great time to re-introduce Xizor, though I suspect the Falleen as a whole are verboten on account of their pheromones and rapiness not flying in a post Harvey Weinstein and MeToo era (even though he is unambiguously a villain).

 

[Sneedmiser]

though I suspect the Falleen as a whole are verboten

Them and Black Sun are still a thing that exist, though Black Sun went from an organization that can rival the Hutt Cartel to one of the most pathetic excuses for a crime syndicate thanks to TCW, Doctor Aphra, and whatever nuEU garbage Daenerys Targaryen was a part of.

 

[Welf Welf]

I suspect the Falleen as a whole are verboten on account of their pheromones and rapiness not flying in a post Harvey Weinstein and MeToo era (even though he is unambiguously a villain).

Current year seems to think that even portraying something is equal to endorsing it, even if it's a villain doing the bad thing.

 

[Male Idiot]

The Black Sun, they could have replaced Xizor with an orange human called Tonald Drump and have him and his Swarzesonne buddies be le evil hecking nazirino maffiosos.

 

[draggs]

That's always been Disney's MO: Reintroduce lesser versions of things from the old EU and then pretend they came up with them. How they've managed to make the galactic underworld feel so tiny and lifeless needs to be studied. Not everything comes back to Jabba the Hutt for instance, he's a tiny part of a huge machine.

The EU handled organized crime better like it handled everything else better. Jabba was the leader of one of the top two Hutt syndicates (kajidics), but whether his group (Desilijic) or their rivals (Besadii) was more powerful was open to question. There were dozens of kajidics. The only syndicate with a truly galactic reach was Black Sun. But Black Sun wasn't everywhere, it didn't control everything. There were millions of gangs and mafias across the galaxy, some of them competing with others only for control of part of a city, or a whole city, or a region, or a planet, or a system, or a group of systems, or a sector etc. Or syndicates that entirely controlled a single city, region, planet, single system, several systems, a single sector, etc. The EU didn't try to come up with deep lore for all this shit, only the biggest, the most important ones. The rest, it was enough to reference them from time to time, give a few short details. You knew that Black Sun and the Hutts and Kessel weren't the only space mafias around. You knew there were street gangs too, and everything in between. If the heroes of a story visited Planet X and interacted with its underworld, or went to a smuggler's hideout, you would learn a few seedy criminal character names, maybe an organization name or two, a couple more details, that was it. That was enough

And I thought Dash Rendar was handled pretty well. He has a bit of a heart of gold, but it's not as pure as Han's is. He doesn't like to be compared to Han. He thinks he's better and smarter than Han. He thinks Han got soft and kind of stupid, hooking up with the Rebellion at closer than arm's length. He is a counterweight to Xizor in a way; there are all kinds of people running around in the shadow of the Empire. Some are truly good, some are truly evil, some are decent guys like Han but not as decent, there might even be some who are more decent than Han. It's a big galaxy

 

[Midwit]

the Venator's obscene firepower

Vennies are outgunned by pretty much every other ship their size.

You can't have a ship be all three and expect it to do any of those jobs well.

Star Destroyers are massive precisely due to the fact that they need to cover all these roles in a single hull, a ship dedicated to any one of them would only need to be half the size for the same capability.

In fairness, it's probably because ex-Empire people are the only ones qualified to actually do the job of decommissioning old Empire ships.

It's also because those shipyards were building ships for the Imperial navy, considering that it's only been four years since the fall of the Empire in Disney Wars it would be next to impossible to staff an entire shipyard with people who never worked for the Empire.

 

[Sneedmiser]

considering that it's only been four years since the fall of the Empire in Disney Wars it would be next to impossible to staff an entire shipyard with people who never worked for the Empire

Considering we've seen Separatist droids in use on several worlds by several different organizations, it's definitely possible. And since it's never been stated (unlike Legends) why that/generic droid labor isn't more widespread, there's no reason everyone shouldn't be doing that.

 

[Screamer_2]

I remember how they insistently called a squadron of X-wings in TFA a "fleet". I genuinely don't think Abrams has an understanding of sci-fi and thought they were interchangeable.

Something that is LOST on people when it comes to fantasy is that you need to actually care for details to world build. JJ has ideas, is flash and spectacle but he doesn't care about the fine details. While JJ was only involved in the first half of the first season, this is where LOST didn't work because it had so many ideas but they were never grounded, not even in a fictional magical reality. So it got too messy for people who watched it trying to make sense of the fantasy setting.

Fringe which he was less involved on was much better as it has a grounded reality.

With TROS, JJ said he just went "fuck it" and did whatever. It shows.

Even in his Trek films, which I personally am a fan of. The worst aspects of them is that he isn't a nerd, he doesn't care for details. He was good with character and action. Actually sci-fi reality, he is not good with at all and they're by far the weakest parts of his two films because it doesn't make sense. It takes you out of it. He literally cured death in one of them, just for that one scene.

Something I noticed when I tried to and failed to do a rewatch of TLJ, was that I think RJ was trolling people who want a grounded reality. It was the conversations about the hyperspace tracking, unless my memory is failing me. I swear the various terms about hyper space, light speed and otherstuff were all bandied about in ways that were inconsistent. You still knew what they were saying, but it felt like he was making a point about "this nerd shit doesn't matter."

It's where shit like The Kenobi Show, or The Acolyte failed. They weren't made by people who cared for a reality. They didn't care for the details or even think about them. Which is where something like Andor worked. It had a grounded reality, the makers clearly cared about that.

House of The Dragon works because they clearly care bout the details. Wheel of Time TV show doesn't because they don't even know the details from the books that they need to adhere to. It's a really common problem. Whatever goes on in Hollywood these days, they keep hiring people for material for which they have the wrong creative personality to actually make.

 

[Ghostse]

You still knew what they were saying, but it felt like he was making a point about "this nerd shit doesn't matter."

Roundhead gets high off his own farts so very likely he was doing just exactly that.

 

[Male Idiot]

Roundhead wanted to make a subversive opus, and have a big name attached to it, and he cared not about any wider coincidences.

It was like he wanted to get one over the audience, to show how much smarter he is than the moviegoers.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Roundhead wanted to make a subversive opus, and have a big name attached to it, and he cared not about any wider coincidences.

It was like he wanted to get one over the audience, to show how much smarter he is than the moviegoers.

In fairness, he did create the careers of a thousand Youtube essayists and did wake people up to the corporate slop of Disney Wars, so I can't say he was all bad like I can with Jar Jar Abrams.

 

[Ghostse]

wake people up to the corporate slop of Disney War

I don't think he did. There were still so many abused wives still lining up to go get beaten by Disney for years after.

However, he showed JarJar Abrams to be a mysterbox hack, so I'll give him that.
Though he probably only did it out of spite "everyone talks about how great JJ's mystery boxes are when they aren't" I still count that as a win.


JJ rewriting Ep 4 I chalk up to incompetence. Roundhead recreating the battle of hoth but salt I put down to spite & trying to lord how clever he is over everyone.

 

[draggs]

I speculated somewhere in the Evangelion thread (TLJ came up in that conversation) that the rest of the galaxy does not give a shit or actively hates the New Republic for being weak and incompetent. It was then confirmed in Ahsoka with Imperial Remnants constantly infiltrating the New Republic shipyards because they can't be bothered to even vet their new hires.* And you can see just how weak and tenuous the New Republic's hold on the Outer Rim is in how Captain Teva is literally the only competent employee in the New Republic and he gets stonewalled by bureaucracy, so he has to go to the Mandalorians to help him out. Also, the New Republic is perfectly fine using the Mind Flayer on Doctor Pershing in Mandalorian, so, it seems like a pretty scummy government to me.

*In fairness, it's probably because ex-Empire people are the only ones qualified to actually do the job of decommissioning old Empire ships.

It's because JJ and Disney are tarded. When the Republic capital gets blowed up in TFA, you can (barely) see a small fleet of ships in orbit around the planet that blow up too. That was apparently the ENTIRE NEW REPUBLIC NAVY

Of course the EU did it better, with massive shipyards at Corellia (planet Corellia and at Selonia), Bilbringi, Kuat, Sullust, Hapes, Sluis Van, Mon Calamari, Rendili, Sienar Fleet Systems yards scattered all over the place of all sizes, Yaga Minor, Fondor, Xizor Transport Systems had its own extensive shipyards, Incom's yards at Fresia and Ranklige, etc. That's just a partial listing of the biggest ones. Most of these yards had existed for centuries or millenia. The Empire took over some of them directly (Mon Calamari, Bilbringi, Yaga Minor etc.), some of them were indirectly controlled by the Empire (like Sienar), most were still independently owned and tried to preserve their independence to varying degrees (XTS, Kuat Drive Yards, Corellian Engineering Corporation, Hapes etc.)

The New Republic and Empire both had their own large system of military repair yards and also used the privately owned yards for repair, the amount of manufacturing new ships both did in their own military yards was comparatively small

Star Wars is supposed to take place in this big galaxy, and in the EU it did, but from the writing, nuWars appears to take place in a galaxy that is literally smaller than the planet earth itself, as far as worldbuilding of stuff like the galactic economy

 

[Irish Turtle]

I think swtor is a much more cool era then post rotj and even the original trilogy of star wars I have always wanted to see the sith and the jedi at their peaks fighting a war.

 

[wholetthegodsout]

The more footage I see of Star Wars Outlaws, the funnier it becomes when you realize that this is effectively supposed to be Disney/LFL's version of Shadows of the Empire. It's a smuggler story set between ESB and ROTJ. And it somehow not only manages to be a worse game than a janky but earnest LucasArts Effort from the early days of 3D gaming from 1996, but it doesn't introduce a single narrative component or concept that anyone is going to give a fuck about in ten years time.

I know people lampoon bits of Shadows for some of its derivative elements (most notably Dash Rendar being Diet Han Solo--something I actually push back against, given his characterization in EU novels), but it also introduced a lot of cool things that are still being referenced today. Remember Prince Xizor? Remember his faction, the Black Sun Cartel? Remember Guri, Xizor's blonde bombshell assassin, popular enough to get her own comic? Remember Boba Fett's tie-in comic series, of him fighting tooth-and-nail to race back to Jabba with Han's Carbonite Body, while fending off an army of Bounty Hunters trying to pry his prize from him? Remember the fully-orchestrated soundtrack release, which had a song that created an entire chunk of lore for Coruscant and two warring alien species that existed there before it was a city? Remember the game's Train Sequence on Ord Mantell, or the Jetpack Duel with Boba Fett? Remember Dash's cool as fuck ship the Outrider, and Xizor's even cooler, terminally badass Star Viper?

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Man, we're a long way from 1996. I want this era of Star Wars back so badly, it hurts.

You can really tell current day Lucasfilm shot down all possible classic EU canon for nu disney eu. Instead of Black Sun we get Crimson Dawn instead of Nar Shadaa we get Canto Bight.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I think swtor is a much more cool era then post rotj and even the original trilogy of star wars I have always wanted to see the sith and the jedi at their peaks fighting a war.

In the ways that matter, the Jedi Civil War is a better version of the Clone Wars. Jedi fighting each other, many of them leaving the Order for mostly selfish reasons, the Republic often in dire straits, and the results left the galaxy shattered.

 

[LovisXVI]

In the ways that matter, the Jedi Civil War is a better version of the Clone Wars. Jedi fighting each other, many of them leaving the Order for mostly selfish reasons, the Republic often in dire straits, and the results left the galaxy shattered.

I wish we got more stuff on the New Sith Wars, fertile ground for really delving into the fact that Jedi and Sith sects of the same religion. Even frame other force using religions and their view of the Tythonites playing "galactic rumble" every few centuries, sort of like with the Star Cabal in SWTOR.