Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Judge Holden]

I think canon has overwritten the crowded legends galaxy with an extremely sparse galaxy.

I remember seeing the clip of Admiral Catlady from the start of TLJ stating that the total strength of the scuffed rebel alliance was....400.

Not 400 billion, 400 million, or 400 thousand.

400. A number which constituted all that remained of the New Republic military and any independent allies it may have had.

In real world terms this is around about the total crew of the USS Constitution...


....around about half the population of Vatican city....


....and around about third of the population of the tiny ass bongland village in the middle of nowhere I used to live in.


That this was the total number of people in the galaxy left fighting the scuffed empire was doubly confirmed at the end when fuggo nepo hire (aka Carrie Fischer's daughter) declared that after radioing the entire galaxy for anyone to come and save them from NotHoth the entire galaxy left them on read.

By the end of the movie the scuffed empire now held total control of the galaxy and the entire scuffed rebellion now fit onto the millennium falcon.

I dont want to belabour the point with metaphor or hyperbolic comparison, but I am not even lying when I say the Old Republic MMO server I spent a couple days back in 2015 flappin around on to see if it was worth playing (tldr not really) was *vastly* more populated and bustling with life than the canon star wars galaxy would eventually be revealed to be.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

By the end of the movie the scuffed empire now held total control of the galaxy and the entire scuffed rebellion now fit onto the millennium falcon.

Luckily, the entire reminder of the galaxy showed up at the end of the next movie or the crew of the millennium falcon would’ve been in a real pickle.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

I dont want to belabour the point with metaphor or hyperbolic comparison, but I am not even lying when I say the Old Republic MMO server I spent a couple days back in 2015 flappin around on to see if it was worth playing (tldr not really) was *vastly* more populated and bustling with life than the canon star wars galaxy would eventually be revealed to be.

You want to know why there are only 100 people tops in Star Wars and they all know each other? The entirety of Disney Star Wars is a dark side nightmare Creamy Sheev had the night before he left for the second Death Star. He wakes up with a start and Mara Jade rolls her naked body over to ask him what's wrong. He immediately cancels his trip and recalls all the Star Destroyers with death star lasers from Exogul.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

I don't mind the love for Mandos that Traviss had, I even appreciate that she created the Mandalorian language, but it was her autistic hatred for the Jedi that even I, as a Sith/Empire fan, couldn't take. The Jedi had many flaws, but in their service to a corrupt and decadent Republic, they sought to improve themselves and do what was noble and right, hoping that their service to democracy prolongs freedom and a good quality of life for the citizens.

The pinnacle had to be the Jedi/Republic killing clones who were too injured to be worth saving. As in, it would cost too much to replace his liver so they would just put him down like a dog right there in the field hospital.

Traviss was special. The highlight was the defense force she had online, specifically theforce.net's forums. I've never seen so many simp so hard for such a fugly woman. If she were hot I could understand, but she was a chubby, frumpy, middle-aged weirdo. But I guess a vag is a vag.

 

[Sneedmiser]

The pinnacle had to be the Jedi/Republic killing clones who were too injured to be worth saving. As in, it would cost too much to replace his liver so they would just put him down like a dog right there in the field hospital.

I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the Republic doing this is originally from either the comics or Medstar (which is very weird itself, tbf), and it makes sense for heavily injured clones to be repurposed for transplants to less injured clones or just used for genetic material. Some they did keep around for the Phase 0 Dark Troopers but that doesn't count.

Either way it wasn't something the Jedi were in the know about.

 

[Judge Holden]

The pinnacle had to be the Jedi/Republic killing clones who were too injured to be worth saving. As in, it would cost too much to replace his liver so they would just put him down like a dog right there in the field hospital.

Traviss was special. The highlight was the defense force she had online, specifically theforce.net's forums. I've never seen so many simp so hard for such a fugly woman. If she were hot I could understand, but she was a chubby, frumpy, middle-aged weirdo. But I guess a vag is a vag.

Traviss in hindsight is a real world piece of forshadowing for the shape of the franchise to come.

Obsessively fixated on mandalorians and shitting on the jedi due to their allegedly inherent "elitist" and "establishment" status, melodramatic cat lady plot lines flowing in all directions, mary sue infestations swarming every new story, explicitly calling all critics nazis and buck breakin slave owners when they dare complain about the quality of the slop....it was all there in the dying days of old canon. So much so that many fools actively celebrated the disney acquisition because *anything* had to be better than this shit....

 

[Midwit]

If a system has an average of one habitable world with 2 billion people

In Star Wars it's more like 2 million average, if we're being generous.

it was all there in the dying days of old canon

Filoni Wars was the true start of Disney canon.

 

[Ghostse]

Kind of? A BattleMech is still vulnerable to getting ganked by tanks or some guy with an ATGM or, god help the MechWarrior, an inferno launcher. It's the weird culture of the setting that has mechs matter as much as they do (and also that you the player/reader are here for mechs, not tanks). It's also that it's stated that mechs are pound for pound the most efficient weapons platform available, and the intimidation factor is part of that. Planets also tend to not be garrisoned very strongly in general, and that's why a single Union full of mechs can take them.

In the fiction; the game was a little more dicey (heyo) due to trying to keep things balanced. Though tanks could get DFA'd and in general were using combustion engines while 'Mechs were using fusion.

however many ships a flotilla is

A flotilla is Two Squadrons.
a Squadron is between three and ten ships - depends on warship size and mission. A WWII Navy Destroyer Squadron was 8, a battle ship squadron would sometimes be two battle ships and few cruisers or destroyers.

 

[HandsomeDan]

The Acolyte's petition is now up to 55k supporters, and thanks to Change.org allowing people to submit videos, you can now see some of the mongoloids clamoring for more Disney slop.

https://www.change.org/p/renew-the-acolyte

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Those look like they could be Cantina Aliens, is that an illusion how tall that guys forehead is?

 

[Welf Welf]

A flotilla is Two Squadrons.
a Squadron is between three and ten ships - depends on warship size and mission. A WWII Navy Destroyer Squadron was 8, a battle ship squadron would sometimes be two battle ships and few cruisers or destroyers.

Venators are classified as cruisers according to Filoni's show ("Jedi cruiser," not that I expect Filoni or any current year writer to understand actual ship classification), so let's go with that. I couldn't find anything about the USN, but several British cruiser squadrons had 5 ships by the end of WWII, not counting any escorts. Since the Imperials speak with a British accent, and the Empire is the legitimate successor of the Republic, I think this is acceptable. Therefore, a flotilla of Venators is 10, which could quickly penetrate the Lucrehulk [refit?]'s shields. That's actually pretty reasonable for a cruiser vs. battleship showdown. Throw in the millions of Separatist ships which are said to exist and the Venator's obscene firepower is evened out by sheer quantity of enemies.

At least until the Republic transforms into war time America and makes so many star destroyers even the Separatists can't catch up. You'd think Venators would be hanging around in the Galaxy for decades or centuries to come with so many being made (you can still find WWII USN oilers and barges all over the world), but according to Filoni's Bad Batch they were all rusting in scrapyards within a few days of the Empire being declared. Lol, lmao.

 

[Calandrino]

I remember seeing the clip of Admiral Catlady from the start of TLJ stating that the total strength of the scuffed rebel alliance was....400.

Not 400 billion, 400 million, or 400 thousand.

400. A number which constituted all that remained of the New Republic military and any independent allies it may have had.

At that point it's time to consider that maybe the #Resistance just fucking sucks and everybody likes the Alt Order better

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Venators also don't make sense because what the fuck are they supposed to be: A cruiser, a starfighter carrier, or an amphibious carrier? You can't have a ship be all three and expect it to do any of those jobs well. Where do the crews you need for the anti-ship guns, the ground crews for the star fighters, and all the crew for the land vehicles eat, sleep and poop? Not to mention all the facilities you'd need to repair and refit star fighters AND land assault vehicles. Then you have to have quarters for all the officers to boss around the enlisted. To do all those jobs every Venator would need to be the size of an Executer. I mean the original Executer, the 19km one. Fuck this 11km retcon shit.

This bullshit started in the OT where you have the Empire using Star Destroyers for seemingly every role in the fleet because making more models would be expensive. Today they don't make different ships because there is no more talent or imagination in Hollywood and they'd never hire someone autistic enough about military shit because they'd be "problematic". I hope we can get a LLM soon enough where I can make my own sci-fi series and bypass hollywood altogether.

 

[LovisXVI]

This bullshit started in the OT where you have the Empire using Star Destroyers for seemingly every role in the fleet because making more models would be expensive.

Luckily lots of games did rectify it since it was apparent you can't have a miniatures game with just one ship type on a side. Love using the Raider in my RPG campaigns, just standard SD looking to retain that iconic image but much smaller to remind the players that they aren't the movie protagonists and don't warrant anything more than a corvette or two going after them.

 

[Gondolindrim]

You joke, you jest but even when they kind of tried to do that with Finn, they didn't commit to it. He guns down people who are, but a few days ago, in the exact same position he was, and doesn't have hesitation or anything. Shit writers without considering the implications, truly barbaric.

And, again, why is the First Order able to kidnap kids and raise them as child soldiers in such vast numbers? You'd think the Republic would try and put a stop to that.

 

[The Lawgiver]

And, again, why is the First Order able to kidnap kids and raise them as child soldiers in such vast numbers? You'd think the Republic would try and put a stop to that.

Even with the child soldiers it's implied most of their numbers are just a small group of imperial loyalists. The republic's supposed elite military formed post-palpatine's defeat got whittled down to fucking nothing in the span of one movie solely so they could have "the resistance" seem like it meant something in terms of names instead of just government jobbers failing to pick off a new rebellion made of palpy loyalists and some mysterious apparent ex jedi who got brutally scarred in some battle leading them.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It’s a video of the girl from The Acolyte doing more “racism makes you hate the show!” crap.

https://x.com/mynerdyhome/status/1828939064881356926

 

[Cactuar King]

Traviss in hindsight is a real world piece of forshadowing for the shape of the franchise to come.

Obsessively fixated on mandalorians and shitting on the jedi due to their allegedly inherent "elitist" and "establishment" status, melodramatic cat lady plot lines flowing in all directions, mary sue infestations swarming every new story, explicitly calling all critics nazis and buck breakin slave owners when they dare complain about the quality of the slop....it was all there in the dying days of old canon. So much so that many fools actively celebrated the disney acquisition because *anything* had to be better than this shit....

The funny thing is, I've seen Disney Wars fans decry Traviss for being racist. Something about a line somewhere in RepCom where she called the clones "light-skinned" or some shit like that, so apparently she's guilty of "white-washing" them.

https://www.tumblr.com/clonehub/699570456949293057/did-you-know-that-the-republic-commandos-series?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/captainsway/710760884881047552/people-saying-mando-culture-is-rooted-in?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/queerangelic/675986367388565504/obsessed-with-someone-putting-this-in-their-tumblr?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/clonewarslover55/637581970922209280/why-is-karen-travis-a-bad-person?source=share

I guess Traviss was the *real* Nazi all along.

 

[Sneedmiser]

the Venator's obscene firepower is evened out by sheer quantity of enemies

The Venator isn't the Republic's dedicated frontline battleship, earlier in the war that was one of the various Acclamator configurations or Dreadnoughts (the cruiser not the classification), after the middle of the war it was the Victory, and by the very end it was the Tector or the Imperator.

IIRC Victories are either in the background or in deleted scenes for ROTS and the other two are just mentioned, but the lack of any naval variety on either side is largely the fault of TCW since the only on-screen large naval engagement we see in the films is the opening of ROTS. Funnily enough, the 2003 Clone Wars demonstrated the naval/arms race that was going on between the Republic and the CIS better in ~2 hours than TCW did in seven seasons, but we all know that show didn't care about the actual war.

The funny thing is, I've seen Disney Wars fans decry Traviss for being racist. Something about a line somewhere in RepCom where she called the clones "light-skinned" or some shit like that, so apparently she's guilty of "white-washing" them.

Like most Maori, Temeura Morrison is ~2/3rds white.

 

[Ghostse]

Venators also don't make sense because what the fuck are they supposed to be: A cruiser, a starfighter carrier, or an amphibious carrier? You can't have a ship be all three and expect it to do any of those jobs well.

TBCF, in the WWII Pacific Theater destroyers were used for virtually every role. They were used as cargo and troop transports, Anti-air, anti-sub, scouts, skimishers, raiders and bombardment ships. They didn't excel at being transports and they were difficult to unload readily, but they served the role.
The Japanese especially I want to stay they were cramming more soldiers than crew on their destroyers running the Tokyo Express trying to hold the Solomons.

The Soviets had the Kiev-Class carriers that never saw combat but were half-carrier, half-cruiser. Which, to your point, everyone sort of agrees if they had been forced into combat they would have likely sucked, but its better than having no ship at all.

So I can see the Venators being treated as a shell and stuffed with whatever the mission required. When you are trying to keep the peace over an entire galaxy, I can see that being a a design objective.

 

[Grave Ghost]

I remember seeing the clip of Admiral Catlady from the start of TLJ stating that the total strength of the scuffed rebel alliance was....400.

Not 400 billion, 400 million, or 400 thousand.

400. A number which constituted all that remained of the New Republic military and any independent allies it may have had.

In real world terms this is around about the total crew of the USS Constitution...
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....around about half the population of Vatican city....
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....and around about third of the population of the tiny ass bongland village in the middle of nowhere I used to live in.
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That this was the total number of people in the galaxy left fighting the scuffed empire was doubly confirmed at the end when fuggo nepo hire (aka Carrie Fischer's daughter) declared that after radioing the entire galaxy for anyone to come and save them from NotHoth the entire galaxy left them on read.

By the end of the movie the scuffed empire now held total control of the galaxy and the entire scuffed rebellion now fit onto the millennium falcon.

I dont want to belabour the point with metaphor or hyperbolic comparison, but I am not even lying when I say the Old Republic MMO server I spent a couple days back in 2015 flappin around on to see if it was worth playing (tldr not really) was *vastly* more populated and bustling with life than the canon star wars galaxy would eventually be revealed to be.

Imagining that the First Order and resistance are that small in reality and fighting over worthless worlds while the rest of the galaxy doesn't care would make for a funny idea.