GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

You can get a used RTX 3060 with twice the amount of VRAM(12GB) for less than that.

But in his post he mentioned getting a 2080 Ti instead, which does seem like a decent choice if it's under $300.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

But in his post he mentioned getting a 2080 Ti instead, which does seem like a decent choice if it's under $300.

My mistake, I responded to the alert before scrolling up and reading.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

After making the 5600X3D a Micro Center exclusive, AMD has done the same with the 7600X3D. $299 MSRP, but stupendously cheap in bundle deals.

Intel is so down bad, they are considering splitting off their foundry business.

 

[WULULULULU]

My mistake, I responded to the alert before scrolling up and reading.

Its a refurbished one, hence the price.

After making the 5600X3D a Micro Center exclusive, AMD has done the same with the 7600X3D. $299 MSRP, but stupendously cheap in bundle deals.

Intel is so down bad, they are considering splitting off their foundry business.

If only Micro Center was available abroad. I envy the Americans. Meanwhile Intel's decisions could spell the end of the potential Battlemage GPUs, if those would end up getting affected.

 

[The Ugly One]

After making the 5600X3D a Micro Center exclusive, AMD has done the same with the 7600X3D. $299 MSRP, but stupendously cheap in bundle deals.

Intel is so down bad, they are considering splitting off their foundry business.

Have they considered investing even more into diversity?

 

[Fcret]

Intel spinning off its foundries when we're already seeing demand wane for high-end semiconductors would be such a stupendously retarded idea that I'm worried Intel is actually considering it

 

[geckogoy]

Have they considered investing even more into diversity?

Surely they have no choice, if they dont get a 50% women engineering team then they are missing out on half of all engineers and if they dont pull in brown people then its almost the same story, thats how that works.

 

[Fcret]

Surely they have no choice, if they dont get a 50% women engineering team then they are missing out on half of all engineers and if they dont pull in brown people then its almost the same story, thats how that works.

As a matter of fact, one of their senior woman engineers left recently to work on a RISC-V startup.

 

[The Ugly One]

Intel spinning off its foundries when we're already seeing demand wane for high-end semiconductors would be such a stupendously retarded idea that I'm worried Intel is actually considering it

It's not the worst idea. AMD got rid of its foundry, which was a trash heap of incompetence. Even Intel's most recent fuckup is downstream of its foundry problems. 13th & 14th gen were rushed out to market because Intel 4 was behind schedule, which was in turn due to them being way behind the curve on EUV, which again goes way back to Brian Krzanich redirecting funds from R&D and into diversity.

 

[Betonhaus]

It's not the worst idea. AMD got rid of its foundry, which was a trash heap of incompetence. Even Intel's most recent fuckup is downstream of its foundry problems. 13th & 14th gen were rushed out to market because Intel 4 was behind schedule, which was in turn due to them being way behind the curve on EUV, which again goes way back to Brian Krzanich redirecting funds from R&D and into diversity.

What are the chances that if the Intel foundry actually turns around and starts doing well, and then AMD buys it?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

What are the chances that if the Intel foundry actually turns around and starts doing well, and then AMD buys it?

AMD has a good thing going with TSMC. They haven't even tapped Samsung yet despite there being rumors of them doing so for at least low-end APUs, I/O dies, etc. AMD has thrown a lot of money/stock around for companies like Xilinx, but I doubt they want to spend untold billions to get their fab vulnerability back.

Part of Intel Foundry's problem is that potential customers are wary of sharing trade secrets with Intel, when they can just go with the industry leader TSMC and get design assistance and the best nodes with no danger of helping a competitor. I think if Intel spins off Intel Foundry, it will ditch the Intel name entirely instead of maintaining a residual connection like HP Inc. + Hewlett Packard Enterprise. They should go full Uncle Sam and call it United Semiconductor America or something (with fabs in Israel).

 

[Betonhaus]

AMD has a good thing going with TSMC. They haven't even tapped Samsung yet despite there being rumors of them doing so for at least low-end APUs, I/O dies, etc. AMD has thrown a lot of money/stock around for companies like Xilinx, but I doubt they want to spend untold billions to get their fab vulnerability back.

Part of Intel Foundry's problem is that potential customers are wary of sharing trade secrets with Intel, when they can just go with the industry leader TSMC and get design assistance and the best nodes with no danger of helping a competitor. I think if Intel spins off Intel Foundry, it will ditch the Intel name entirely instead of maintaining a residual connection like HP Inc. + Hewlett Packard Enterprise. They should go full Uncle Sam and call it United Semiconductor America or something (with fabs in Israel).

It would be interesting to see who buys chips from GoyFab. The other chip manufacturers have attempted to open factories in America, only to be discouraged by DEI requirements.

 

[indomitable snowman]

Have they considered investing even more into diversity?

What's another 300 million among us diverse folx

https://www.wired.com/2015/01/intel-diversity/

https://archive.ph/310CR

And by 2020, Krzanich has vowed, the company should have a "full representation" of women and minorities at Intel---meaning it will be more representative of the available talent in America, including closing the gap at the leadership level.

IIRC one of the groups that got some of that money was Feminist Frequency.

Couldn't have happened to nicer (and more diverse!) Folx.

 

[The Ugly One]

What are the chances that if the Intel foundry actually turns around and starts doing well,

Reasonable.

and then AMD buys it?

Zero.

There's just not much advantage any more in owning your own fab. Even if Intel turns it around, they'll achieve parity with TSMC, not the full generation advantage they used to have. The best case scenario for Intel foundry is that it becomes a commodity bidding against TSMC and Samsung.

They haven't even tapped Samsung yet despite there being rumors of them doing so for at least low-end APUs

Samsung's just behind TSMC, especially in packaging technology and die-stacking. Very good yields, though. I know IBM's been happy with them on that front, as IBM is notoriously finicky about quality.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Samsung's just behind TSMC, especially in packaging technology and die-stacking. Very good yields, though. I know IBM's been happy with them on that front, as IBM is notoriously finicky about quality.

I get that Samsung's worse, but they could make literally one APU die, just one, for the poors (compared to I guess the 10+ various dies and chiplets actively made at TSMC), and cut it up to sell in other markets like embedded.

AMD to use Samsung's 3nm tech as it looks to dual-source future chips: report
AMD Expected To Utilize Samsung 4nm Process For Low-End Ryzen APUs & Radeon GPUs

The obvious choice would be to make Sonoma Valley, the rumored quad-core Zen 5c Alder Lake-N killer, that would probably be competitive with an Alder Lake-N successor using Skymont E-cores. That's the kind of product that needs to be cheap and in high volume for anyone to care about it.

 

[The Ugly One]

I get that Samsung's worse, but they could make literally one APU die, just one, for the poors (compared to I guess the 10+ various dies and chiplets actively made at TSMC), and cut it up to sell in other markets like embedded.

From what I have been told, the issue with Samsung is not the die, but the packaging. I don't understand enough about chips to understand the difference and how it matters. Plus, AMD's getting everything they want out of TSMC; it's not like they're facing a shortage. Anyway, Samsung knows they're behind, especially after losing Nvidia, and is taking strides to catch up.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

So anyone know of an in-between from desktop and laptop? I have a mini-ITX build now, and Ideally, I want that + a monitor + a keyboard to be put into a portable package. I don't wanna pay a 1,000$ upcharge on some custom-engineered POS laptop that will be out of date in 3 years. I just want a desktop that's actually portable.
does such a thing exist?

I was in a similar position recently and made the decision to get a mini pc instead of a comparable laptop. I got one of the Ryzen mini pc on amazon that has a 7735HS and a whopping $32gb ram for under 400 usd. It's compact and doesn't throttle like a laptop does thanks to the better cooling. It's not serviceable like a mini itx but for the cost it's worth it. Essentially the best budget oriented option is a laptop in a mini pc form factor. So far it functions just fine as a portable workstation for python work and blender.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Exclusive: Intel CEO to pitch board on plans to shed assets, cut costs, source says (archive)

The proposal does not yet include plans to split Intel and sell off its contract manufacturing operation, or foundry, to a buyer such as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., according to the source and another person familiar with the matter.

According to Reuters, Intel could sell off Altera (FPGAs, acquired for $16.7 billion), or other businesses, and pause/halt construction of its €30 billion Magdeburg, Germany fab.

 

[Fcret]

It would be interesting to see who buys chips from GoyFab. The other chip manufacturers have attempted to open factories in America, only to be discouraged by DEI requirements.

The DEI shit isn't really the problem right now - the issue is that companies like TSMC don't really understand how to operate outside their home country. When TSMC went to Japan, they partnered with local companies who knew the labor market and business community well enough to hook them up with GCs and workers so they could spin up a factory in less than a year. In the US, TMSC decided to go it alone and immediately ran into issues with the local construction unions as well as having to compete with every other business in the region for labor.

I don't think DEI stuff is going to give TSMC much trouble in the long run either. Taiwan has minorities (particularly their flavor of abos) that get preference legally and they know how to game such a system. They don't know how to game a situation where they've pissed off every boomer redneck GC in an area and can't find anyone who'll show up to their work site to build a factory.

 

[The Ugly One]

Taiwan has minorities that get preference legally

Those aren't niggers