Debate Ishtar on ethics of school shootings, fathers, CPS

[Ishtar]

Looks like a fucked up family life. Mother was recently in jail for drug use and had a history with domestic abuse. Aunt claims she threatened to kill her, and defended her nephew as being a victim.

Students are black and Hispanic(ish) and teachers are White. Not sure if targeted. Kid appears to have made threats a year ago, and the FBI investigated.

Looks like just a troubled kid with a troubled family life who snapped.

 

[Ishtar]

Well the Feds told the school to keep an eye on the kid. The question is what happened next from there. Was there a psychological assessment on the kid? Did CPS look at his home life?

The aunt seems pretty sure the kid and an extremely rough time of it. The aunt initially blamed the father, but then says she realized it was the mother all along. The mother was abusing drugs. The parents had separated at one point. No idea for how long or if they even got back together.

This sounds like a situation where a family getting the Rekieta treatment from CPS could have saved the 4 shooting victims. Mother getting drug tests on the regular.

Who else knows what the kid was dealing with. But it doesn't sound like bullying at school was his primary problem.

He posted about doing it online before. He didn't do it. But he got a visit from the Fed.

He calls in again to say he is going to do it. Nobody stops him so he goes ahead and does it.

Since he was trying to make it easy to get caught and stopped, this may have been his way of making a cry for help. He just didn't get the response from the authorities that he wanted. They ignored him.

Hell, since the kid was skipping class and school on the regular, it sounds like the teachers and school was ignoring him too.

It is great that the aunt says she is going to fight so hard for her nephew. It is sad that she didn't have the foresight to know he needed intervention ahead of time. A call to CPS might have made the difference.

Yeah I'm going to say I feel sympathy for the kid(I know I'll get downvoted, but I have compassion when it is warranted). Parents separated, mother a drug addict in and out felon. There probably was some bullying but I expect it was a mixture-school was miserable and there was no escape at home, and home life was miserable-but school didn't afford him the support or relationships to escape that either.

Thing is, he's screwed. The system is not going to go easy on a White male shooter, and the best his aunt can do is get a lawyer that can get him out of a death sentence.

The fact he surrendered rather than committed suicide tells me he was basically trying to get attention.

If I were the judge and knew everything and was completely insulated from public pressure and retaliation, I'd actually advocate for leniency here. Maybe twenty years hard labor or something. A fourteen year old (White) boy is redeemable.

 

[Ishtar]

Yeah I'm going to go against the grain and say I have a lot more sympathy for the shooter-a fourteen year old boy with a druggie mom and a dad that was in the picture? Wasn't he? Maybe mom had custody?

That's not something any fourteen year old should be asked to tolerate. Especially when school isn't a bed of roses either.

 

[Justsomecicada]

Yeah I'm going to go against the grain and say I have a lot more sympathy for the shooter-a fourteen year old boy with a druggie mom and a dad that was in the picture? Wasn't he? Maybe mom had custody?

That's not something any fourteen year old should be asked to tolerate. Especially when school isn't a bed of roses either.

Bro he shot up a school

 

[Ishtar]

Bro he shot up a school

He did and yet I still have a deep place of compassion in my heart for him.

 

[Ishtar]

One was a nigger, and the other appears to be a spic. The teachers definitely yeah.

Okay maybe the second kid was White.

Ah well three lives of value lost then.

There is no "debt to society" that can be worked off to atone for what was lost today. The only merciful thing we can do is to keep someone capable of this from doing it again. Forever.

I am usually very pro punitive. But I understand where a child like this would come from, and well he's White and not a troon. Call it tribalism but I'm not going to trash a White kid.

And he's going to get life imprisonment if the feds and state don't seek the death penalty. So you shouldn't worry about justice. Regardless, no White child should ever grow up in the circumstances of that boy, they deserve better.

 

[Justsomecicada]

. Call it tribalism but I'm not going to trash a White kid.

Which Is rich because this is the most nig tier example of tribalism I’ve ever seen.

 

[Ishtar]

Which Is rich because this is the most nig tier example of tribalism I’ve ever seen.

Its also why the great replacement is happening. I don't have to lionize the boy, and I am not.

But White people are going to continue to be degraded under Jewish power unless we adopt some behaviors that resemble niggers-the main one being tribal loyalty.

 

[Ishtar]

Lol. Still seething over something I said three years ago are you?

anyways, yes its a tragedy. Shame the democrats will make hay of it for the upcoming 2024 election.

On a more general observational note-what is it with most recent shooters surrendering? Are they just more afraid of death?

 

[Desktop User2]

I am usually very pro punitive. But I understand where a child like this would come from, and well he's White and not a troon. Call it tribalism but I'm not going to trash a White kid.

This must be the wiggerest thing I´ve ever read. Whites didn´t become great because of magic spunk, it was purely selection, mainly the substitution of trash like this murdering asshole and his family of wiggers by members of the noblesse that kept growing while their land possessions didn´t so a bunch of nobles became common folk, mostly forming the bourgeoisie, and murdering a bunch of antisocial and/or criminally violent scum. All that preceding the Great Navigation period and the Industrial Revolution; what a coincidence...
Pulling for antisocial violent scum is for niggers, like the ones that throw a party because a murdering bastard like OJ was freed.

 

[Ishtar]

The FBI and local police regularly respond to angry teenagers making threats online or in person. It happened when I was in HS, and before then. They need an actionable threat with real evidence-something concrete. Firearms ready to go, explosives, a statement indicating a date and a place, etc...

They cannot possibly charge every kid who says something in anger or frustration, nor is it right to do so.

Which is why given this boy's circumstances, I do think CPS or some other state agency should have intervened. As clearly the parents had failed. The fact the school didn't intervene either(when they clearly knew there were problems) is also damning.

This wasn't a tranny, it doesn't appear to be driven by ideology, or even by bullying(if not mostly), it was preventable with mental health resources and appropriate resources given.

 

[Justsomecicada]

For fucking what? They didn´t even were sure it was his account. You people bitch about government intrusion but want Total Wigger Death if it somehow confirms your schizo worldview.

How is wanting children to not be shot a schizo worldview. They have no problem pre empting other threats or harassing people who get heated a school board meetings but this is a step too far?. If your so angry at the schizo posters maybe the fbi should stop saying “oh yeah he was on our radar” almost every fucking time this Happens

 

[Spooky Dogwood]

For fucking what? They didn´t even were sure it was his account. You people bitch about government intrusion but want Total Wigger Death if it somehow confirms your schizo worldview.

Multiple people reported him. Finding out who owns the account is pertinent to the investigation. That is why. The feds take the stupidest comments seriously all the time, but in this one circumstance they were perfect angels, who just really cared about the privacy of citizens, right?

 

[Ishtar]

Incredible lack of compassion here.

-Kid in shitty home
-school indifferent
-parents fucked up failures
-shoots 4 people
-surrenders(when confronted, no death wish)

People on this thread

he should be raped in prison
arrest his parents
something minority report

Its a tragedy and the boy is going away for life, but the lack of a broader perspective is just ugly and stupid. I see no reason looking at this boy's pictures he could not have been given up for adoption or even raised by a relative and turned out better.

he's not a tranny, not an incel, doesn't appear to be driven by 4chan.

Just an angry lost little boy who did the one thing that would get adults to actually care.

 

[Justsomecicada]

How about you show some compassion for the victims, god your vile. You sure your not his aunt?

Hot take here but school shooters deserve zero compassion what they deserve is a slow death.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Just an angry lost little boy who did the one thing that would get adults to actually care.

He didn't do nuffin'!

 

[Ishtar]

The victims' deaths are tragic. I haven't said anywhere they weren't.

I did however say they did not need to happen. This was not inevitable. Had social services or concerned relatives intervened more decisively all these people would be alive.

He didn't do nuffin'!

This is such a stupid misrepresentation of what I've actually said. Yes he did do something, but unlike niggers-he was not destined to do so.

 

[Justsomecicada]

I did however say they did not need to happen. This was not inevitable. Had social services or concerned relatives intervened more decisively all these people would be alive.

I don’t think anyone even disagrees with you there, it’s the”baaaaaw poor little guy” people find repulsive and rightfully so

 

[Otterly]

Just an angry lost little boy who did the one thing that would get adults to actually care.

He killed four people.
Before he killed four people he was an angry lost little boy. The second he picks up a gun with intent to kill he loses all sympathy and becomes a threat to be neutralised. What he did was inexcusable
There’s a whole chain of failure behind this. His parents and family failed him. The school seems to have failed him, social services will have failed him. If he was just shoved on Sssris instead of having solid talking therapy type support then the medical profession have failed him. The school have failed their students and staff. It’s just failure all the way down because nobody wants to care for our fellow man so that they don’t end up angry and fucked up.

Closing longer term inpatient care and doing ‘care in the community’ which basically means ‘here’s some drugs you’re on your own’ has been a disaster. Nobody seems to care when kids are in families who are drug riddled disasters, social services too busy talking kids away to trafficking Troon them.
Our priorities as a society are upside down. We are going to see more and more of this - there’s a whole cohort of kids that were of the age to be impacted by Covid lockdowns and they’re just coming to the age where they can pick up a gun.

 

[Ishtar]

I'm going to be real with you, I was a depressed and lonely teenager myself. I was angry and I felt ignored. (And was bullied) and I had a much more supportive home life and surrounding circle than this kid.

So yes I do feel empathy for him. Not everyone has loving family, or teachers and staff that care, or people that try to understand you. Or take you seriously but not literally.

Everything I've said in this thread comes from compassion, not vengeance or spite.