Debate Ishtar on ethics of school shootings, fathers, CPS

[Desktop User2]

he's not a tranny, not an incel, doesn't appear to be driven by 4chan.

How mindfucked by the Internet must you be to even think "well, he is a murderer but at least he is not a tranny or an incel"? This thread is depressing.

 

[Ishtar]

He's not some stereotype one can just dismiss. He's a White kid that grew up in suburban Georgia.

With a fucked up family life, no future, and a society that was hostile at worst, and indifferent at best to him.

What I find especially noteworthy is he didn't try to fight the cops. The report notes he surrendered upon being confronted by an authority figure in uniform-that should show beyond any doubt he wasn't irredeemable.

 

[Ishtar]

“Queen of the stars, of love, of beauty and justice”

On a scale of 1-Lizzo, how obese are you? Are you always fully retarded or does it come in waves?

Mesopotamian mythology is cool. Next question.

After catching up, I have concluded that its not why did this kid go off the rails, but why wouldn't he? Divorce, meth, domestic violence, this is straight out of Breaking Bad. Yeah this wasn't a glow op, this was one angry 14 year old.

Beat a dog to the point it hates and fears even shadows of men, and act surprised it rips its owners' throats out.

Never ending story because people never learn.

 

[potato in mah painus]

Taking it out on random strangers as opposed to what? Suicide? Silent endurance? What do you expect suffering people to do? In a society that spits on them every day? If you brutalize these people, they will strike back.

Allow me to give you a short story on this infamous machine. The reason the driver is viewed as a folk-hero, and not a crazed maniac, is because he targeted people that had exactly the fate and repercussions coming to them.

This kid lashed out and killed 4 completely random and innocent people, and not the people that ruined his life. His upbringing doesn't matter, his actions were monstrous because of the victims he picked.

 

[Stinks Abandoned Daughter]

So you’re pretty fat then? I assumed, thanks for letting me know you big fat whale.

Mesopotamian mythology is cool. Next question.


Beat a dog to the point it hates and fears even shadows of men, and act surprised it rips its owners' throats out.

Never ending story because people never learn.

 

[Ishtar]

Okay so he should have killed his parents then? Maybe the social worker that didn't intervene? The aunt that bitched on facebook but didn't act before?

What exactly was this boy supposed to do?

You want to hold him responsible as an adult with all the responsibilities of having full agency, yet strangely I am hearing no credible options on what he should have done.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Incredible lack of compassion here.

-Kid in shitty home
-school indifferent
-parents fucked up failures
-shoots 4 people
-surrenders(when confronted, no death wish)

People on this thread

he should be raped in prison
arrest his parents
something minority report

Its a tragedy and the boy is going away for life, but the lack of a broader perspective is just ugly and stupid. I see no reason looking at this boy's pictures he could not have been given up for adoption or even raised by a relative and turned out better.

he's not a tranny, not an incel, doesn't appear to be driven by 4chan.

Just an angry lost little boy who did the one thing that would get adults to actually care.

Beat a dog to the point it hates and fears even shadows of men, and act surprised it rips its owners' throats out.

Never ending story because people never learn.

He murdered four people, two of which were children. He is not a "little boy" any more. He is a killer. A deranged mutt. He deserves the death penalty for what he has done. I can only hope the Georgia justice system has the stones to do what must be done. My sympathies end when the killing begins.

 

[Ishtar]

He murdered four people, two of which were children. He is not a "little boy" any more. He is a killer. A deranged mutt. He deserves the death penalty for what he has done. I can only hope the Georgia justice system has the stones to do what must be done. My sympathies end when the killing begins.

I actually agree with you. The death penalty is a more dignified end for him, that doesn't put him through a lifetime of degradation in the penal system.

It would give the victims' families closure, and not prolong things. So it is both quick and compassionate justice.

 

[Safir]

Taking it out on random strangers as opposed to what? Suicide? Silent endurance?

I notice you conveniently omitted "kill those who made him suffer". Which isn't a catch-all excuse, mind you (troons and libfems think normies going around unraped is a terrible injustice), but it could be one for a poor, tortured kid. Mom threatens to kill you? Kill her first.

But he went and murdered random normies for attention.

I can buy "in the rapy" or "on psych meds", but no aww sad babby excuse.

 

[SlipNHonkMach2]

Perhaps it would be kinder if he got the death penalty now, as opposed to the rest of his life in state penitentiary.

He had a chance of killing himself with that gun of his, but now he's going to be Tyrone's bitch in prison. At least they'll have something in common in prison; both good bois who dindu nuffan who were about to get their life back on track and go to church everyday blah blah blah

 

[Grim_Autismo]

He could have been at any time before the shooting. Take him from his parents, give him to an aunt or families looking to adopt, put him through therapy(as much as I hate therapy), whatever.

Not even the school which knew he had made threats bothered to do anything-no teacher, or member of the administrative staff said anything, though they had to know mommy was a fentanyl addict and there had been domestic abuse apparently(with the mother apparently being in the wrong-given the aunt wasn't siding with her sister).

They just ignored him and apparently hoped nothing would come of it-apparently he skipped school regularly. Usually schools are supposed to investigate instances of regular truancy.

I'm not arguing he should be let loose or given a statue, I am arguing that this boy was failed by society and his actions were apparently the only way he could get anyone to care.

I am speaking from compassion, kindness, and love for the downtrodden.

Not spite, and not malice, or even contrarianism and for that I get dogpiled and given the pink triangle.

Are you sitting here turning the deaths of two children and two adults and the irreversible damage to 9 other people and their families all about you receiving your faggot-flavored Dorito? Seriously?

Plenty of children are failed, each day. They go through all sorts of horrors, but they don't pick up a gun and spread their misery. If he'd picked up that gun and killed his mother, I would understand. But he didn't. He killed two mentally handicapped students and his teachers. He shot nine others, not because they wronged him, but because he could. His actions have to have consequences; they've impacted others. There's a line between sympathy and empathy, I suggest you learn it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I actually agree with you. The death penalty is a more dignified end for him, that doesn't put him through a lifetime of degradation in the penal system.

It would give the victims' families closure, and not prolong things. So it is both quick and compassionate justice.

Dignity? Compassion? What is wrong with you? He deserves a public broadcast trial recorded in 4K and a firing squad at the end. Not for dignity, but for justice. He is a monster. There is nothing about this kid that is sympathetic. It is sick you think so.

 

[Ishtar]

Okay so instead of killing random school people, he should have committed matricide? Maybe patricide too?

Maybe he should have hanged himself and became another statistic? Ending his life because that's so much better right?

I genuinely find the lack of compassion here revolting, like not even basic human decency. Just seething animal brutality.

 

[Polyboros2]

Okay so he should have killed his parents then

Unironically yes, preferably before his birth, but that's tricky

 

[WelperHelper99]

Okay so instead of killing random school people, he should have committed matricide? Maybe patricide too?

Maybe he should have hanged himself and became another statistic? Ending his life because that's so much better right?

I genuinely find the lack of compassion here revolting, like not even basic human decency. Just seething animal brutality.

He should have toughed it out and grown up to be a better man than his parents.

 

[Ishtar]

He should have toughed it out and grown up to be a better man than his parents.

And this attitude is why these shootings will continue to happen. And happen and happen and happen.

Utter degradation of human life, vile no one should have love for the suffering and lost.

This boy was not a monster, he isn't one now and wasn't the day before the shooting. All he did was scream for someone to care, anyone the only way it would get a response.

 

[Touche le grass]

Okay so he should have killed his parents then? Maybe the social worker that didn't intervene? The aunt that bitched on facebook but didn't act before?

What exactly was this boy supposed to do?

You want to hold him responsible as an adult with all the responsibilities of having full agency, yet strangely I am hearing no credible options on what he should have done.

Yeah he should have tbh, that is pretty fucking metal.

 

[potato in mah painus]

Okay so he should have killed his parents then?

The only two people that would have gotten their just desserts for turning this kid into a monster?

 

[Ishtar]

A monster would not have surrendered to a goddamned school resource officer.

Incredible I'm the only one in this thread that has any capacity for empathy at all.

But I guess the mob just wants their pound of flesh and never to be forced to think outside their bestial instincts, that would be demanding.'

Expecting people to show any capacity for civilized grace or systematic reflection is just too much. Just herd animals not an ounce of humanity here.

 

[WelperHelper99]

And this attitude is why these shootings will continue to happen. And happen and happen and happen.

Utter degradation of human life, vile no one should have love for the suffering and lost.

This boy was not a monster, he isn't one now and wasn't the day before the shooting. All he did was scream for someone to care, anyone the only way it would get a response.

HE KILLED FOUR PEOPLE. Yes he is a monster. He is no longer a child. He will be tried as a legal adult and punished as one, because what he did was horrific. If he wanted to scream he should have ran away. He didn't have to kill anyone. There were a million things he could have done before shooting people you injun blooded faggot!