Debate Ishtar on ethics of school shootings, fathers, CPS

[Ishtar]

Drug addicts, walmart workers and fentanyl addicted mothers yes.

 

[Megaton Punch]

Holy hell, you people are still taking the bait? This is incredibly sad.

And don't give me any bullshit that you "think it's funny". Absolutely nobody here is laughing. Except for the obvious troll, I mean.

 

[OG Cryptid]

-with dignity and discipline.

Please find both of these and stop being a retarded retard faggot, you fucking retarded retard faggot. Regardless of how strongly you feel about your incorrect opinions, don't shield a child killer. It's bad optics. To everyone. I shouldn't have to tell you this.

 

[Ishtar]

I will withdraw from this thread, I concede nothing. Only that I am right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[JamusActimus]

I used to dislike Ishtar but that nigga is hilarious.

In a post he once said that the decline of the white race brought tears to his eyes just by thinking about it.

 

[hydrochloric gunt wash]

Because I care, and I am capable of this abstract difficult thing called love for one's fellow man.

One was a nigger, and the other appears to be a spic. The teachers definitely yeah.

Okay maybe the second kid was White.

Ah well three lives of value lost then.

You are a sort of hypocritical retard heard of only in myth, capable of gold-medal winning feats of mental contortion.

 

[Grim_Autismo]

I will withdraw from this thread, I concede nothing. Only that I am right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[Balanced Boomer]

I miss when bullying was actually effective and kept socially-retarded niggers in a constant state of fear whenever they went to school.

 

[Ishtar]

Most people on this site are basically embarassed normies, herd cattle that for whatever reason can't exercise their sadism and repressed violent urges in RL. This site wouldn't exist if it wasn't fulfilling a need unmet-that being unexpressed sadism and a need to hate and an acceptable object to hate.

So, when anyone actually forces the people here to think, and doesn't participate in virtual vengeance gratification rituals, they are despised.

None of the people dogpiling me have the courage or even the anti-sociality to express anything they say here in RL-this site is a refuge for them, they are too weak and too spineless, too conformist to not need.

I on the other hand am not here primarily to bully weirdos or dance to herd mooing rituals. None of you would dare say what you have said to me in public, and none of you would even use the word "troon" in your place of employment.

I on the other hand am not just a disgruntled normie that doesn't have an outlet for his hatred. I'm here for free speech and debate.

I guess that isn't the site's real purpose. It's to give disgruntled cattle a space to moo in peace.

 

[Gunter x Gunter]

None of the people dogpiling me have the courage or even the anti-sociality to express anything they say here in RL-this site is a refuge for them, they are too weak and too spineless, too conformist to not need.

What views, that a school shooter is bad. I am sure everybody who disagrees will be more than comfortable expressing that idea. Also where is the sympathy for the white teachers, you know to functioning stewards of the next generation who probably had kids, whose families suffer even more intensely because of the choices this boy made. Because it was a choice, like you said this wasn't his genetic destiny but a premeditated decision.

 

[Ishtar]

The people in that thread were fantasizing about prison rape and him being ripped apart on TV. School shooters are an acceptable target of social opprobrium, and online there are even fewer rules of restraint or civility.

I never said the boy shouldn't be punished or that the victims' were not a loss, I said the boy was (demonstrably) failed at every level of society, and had no chance given his circumstances, so perhaps society ought be more compassionate to lost teenage boys in atrocious domestic environments.

This is not a radical opinion, or even particularly contrarian-it just went against the two minutes hate vibe everyone was marinating in.

Or to summarize

Everyone else: "impotent revenge fantasizing and ITGism"
Me: "maybe we should have shown him compassion before this happened"
Everyone else: "screeching and mass reporting"

I didn't do anything besides refuse to participate in a socially sanctioned two minutes hate session and I asked people to maybe consider the broader social context why this happened. A compassionate society that didn't allow teenage boys to fall through the cracks would not have mass shootings. No one is an island and no one acts in a pure vacuum, yes he is responsible, and yes he's thrown away his life-but it was a long chain of absolute failures by everyone in the boy's life that led to him pulling the trigger.

All I advocated for is maybe breaking the chain of failure at some point before people died.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

The victims' deaths are tragic. I haven't said anywhere they weren't.

I am speaking from compassion, kindness, and love for the downtrodden.

RIGHT.

One was a nigger, and the other appears to be a spic. The teachers definitely yeah.

Okay maybe the second kid was White.

Ah well three lives of value lost then.

More compassion, kindness, and love:

The world would genuinely be a happier, cleaner, and more beautiful place if all niggers were exterminated. Really if all non Whites were.

The only reason this hasn't happened is the weakness of Whites to have done so a century ago, and the power of the Jews.

Scott Adams isn't remotely close enough to where he needs to be, but the base sentiment is true. Blacks are vermin, inhuman filth that lack the innocence, charm, and grace of even bacteria. They should have been exterminated.

But due to the compassion of the White man, we allowed the nigger to survive and propagate. Rather than gunning them all down in America when tractors were invented, and doing what the Germans did in Namibia, that is drive them into the desert, and finish them for all time.

I'll happily take the lectern in a diversity sit down meeting.

"As a White man, I hate all of you darkies with every fiber of my being, you should all be gassed, my race is superior and for that we should rule the earth alone."

I hope they appreciate my truth and authentic perspective.

The fact no one actually gets their boys together and goes on a tranny hunt after these incidents-finding some tranny having the temerity to show their ugly face in public and hangs them from a tree proves we aren't nearly as cruel or hateful a society as we should be.

Different (non-)compassion for a different school shooter:

A lot of these people absolutely hate it that mommy and daddy told them they had to go to Sunday school. That they had to not masturbate every day, and no they couldn't go out smoking weed.

It gets less attention because millennial and zoomer libtards and leftists share this resentment en masse. If you look into a lot of these people's backgrounds, anger at daddy because he made me go to Church is a very common theme.

God bless the Nashville Police Department.

Troon ventilators and child savers.

Glad she's dead, but now we have a clearer picture of the shooter.

Back to general compassion, kindness, and love:

These people are evil, and are beyond redemption. You can not reason with them, you can only really intimidate them temporarily, there is one solution, it is simple and final.

Yet that is what we call fedposting.

I realize its fedposting but half the problem of the American right is no one is actually willing to make the sacrifices we need. At the end of the day someone has to bite the bullet, whether that means dying in a hail of FBI bullets or spending their life in prison.

Nah, I’m right. You just don’t like the idea your subjugation is good and righteous.

Breeding and cooking and cleaning, you may not like it, but it is for the good of mankind.

Jews, liberals, Asians, Mexicans and other latin American mestizo breeds, homosexuals, troons and feminists(and their enablers).

The country, really the west itself won't ever be restored or renewed until every street runs red at knee height. Hundreds of millions must perish for the world to be renewed.

Most Africans as the article itself states live in cities, so there is no way they are self sufficient in food production.

Can't we turn off the spigot and let them die en masse?

I…genuinely don’t care about women though.

If you really want to see the White race victorious, then we must push through to the very end. That is a relentless war of extermination over every square inch of the earth's landmass.

Until all non Whites are dead.

And then we will truly have White supremacy, and we'll truly have peace.

Then we'll remake the world, making it more beautiful and more perfect, before leaping to the stars on and on...forever.

This is what "victory" means, anything less however desirable in its own right is reversible and not enough.

Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Likely not, hence my doomerism and despair.

To save the White race, all non Whites must die.

There is no escaping this conclusion. Once you make it, its like leaping across a great precipice, and you cannot go back.

The worst part:

As someone who is an actual education major(meaning I’m planning on actually spending my life in a classroom)

Qualifications:

When I subbed in an elementary school one day I saw some of the kids referred too here.

Lazy, I genuinely haven't had an algebra class since my senior year in HS.

 

[neighbour]

The perptrator's feelings are not equal to the physical pain experienced by his victims. One is worst than the other

 

[Ishtar]

You got me, I'm a genuine wignat/neo nazi and my empathy only extends to a select group.

I will never recover from being shown as such a hypocrite for having such totally inconsistent principles.

 

[MunsterCheeseJr]

The thing I hate about these shootings the most is that they won’t actually get down to the root issue. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s blown up to much larger proportions for the sake of a narrative during an election year… but shootings like these are a cultural phenomenon exclusive to the US. I’ll tell you now it’s not the fucking guns. Tell me why this shit didn’t happen in the 60s, 70s, or 80s… and also explain to me how you’d even begin to take guns away from US citizens. Shit ain’t happening.

The root issue is that these kids are absolutely fucked in the head, over-stimulated with content, are completely unsympathetic because of the age of media, have a warped sense of reality from being chronically online, have shitty millennial parents, and are so god damn confused about themselves because of all the “acceptance” fuckery that’s happening in the world. I mean just fucking look at this Colt kid. Does that look like a kid who has had a good role model? A good example in his life?

Instead of talking about what the fuck is wrong with our culture that teenagers are being driven to commit acts of domestic terrorism on a semi-regular basis… instead we blame it on the gun? We immediately make it a political issue before the bodies are cold? We weave a fear mongering finger pointing narrative for votes that mean nothing when the administration who got them steps into office? Instead of actually denouncing these horrible acts or doing anything to discourage it… we make it about god damn politics?

You take away the guns… then what? You don’t address the cultural and spiritual side of this in any regard, and you think the problems will just go away? This is a deep-rooted issue because of the moral decay, spiritual absence, and empathetic bankruptcy of our youngest minds within society. Terrifying shit.

There is also the drop in religiosity. In earlier decades nearly everyone was expected to go to church every Sunday, and if you committed mortal sins, you would go to hell.

Not so much anymore.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

You got me, I'm a genuine wignat/neo nazi and my empathy only extends to a select group.

I will never recover from being shown as such a hypocrite for having such totally inconsistent principles.

Go Rain Dance about wanting to suck off a school shooter somewhere else, He-Who-Has-Pink-Triangle

 

[Ishtar]

It’s so bizarre(yet also terribly revealing) my humble request people show compassion and engage in some basic reflection gets conflated with glorifying the shooter.

It’s like talking to the wall. I don’t get it.

People here really are just embarrassed normies. This site is just Reddit but you can say nigger and laugh at trannies.

There is literally no other difference. About 90% of this site’s user base are herd cattle. Stupid animals incapable of even basic reflection or introspection. The only reason they are here is society in its current state doesn’t let them express their prejudices against trannies.

That’s it. There is no other difference.

 

[Syzyg]

It’s so bizarre(yet also terribly revealing) my humble request people show compassion and engage in some basic reflection gets conflated with glorifying the shooter.

It’s like talking to the wall. I don’t get it.

People here really are just embarrassed normies. This site is just Reddit but you can say nigger and laugh at trannies.

There is literally no other difference. About 90% of this site’s user base are herd cattle. Stupid animals incapable of even basic reflection or introspection. The only reason they are here is society in its current state doesn’t let them express their prejudices against trannies.

That’s it. There is no other difference.

You have a paradoxical way of viewing things. You pity the poor white boy who shot and killed people and then exclaim that the nonwhites' lives he killed doesn't matter.

One was a nigger, and the other appears to be a spic. The teachers definitely yeah.

Okay maybe the second kid was White.

Ah well three lives of value lost then.

The victims' deaths are tragic. I haven't said anywhere they weren't.

To what extent is your pity? Who is white enough to trigger your compassion?

It's one thing if you pity the boy because he's a kid. It's another if it's because of his race. One makes you a bleeding heart, the other a retard.

I am speaking from compassion, kindness, and love for the downtrodden.

Do you really believe poor white boys like these should be given leniency in sentencing? Did you also pity Klebold and Harris? Did you have compassion for them?

Are there any white school shooters you do not pity?

 

[Ishtar]

The ones that are trannies, gays or motivated by demonstrably harmful ideas(anti fascism or something).

You won’t see me defending Audrey Hale.

I don’t believe this boy should be let free or something. But yes I admit. Because he’s White I do have more space for compassion than I would otherwise.

If he were black or Hispanic I wouldn’t be asking people to think about how society failed him at all.

You think that’s perplexing, when it really isn’t. Yes I’m a White identitarian/supremacist. That means I have different standards of judgement and of pity depending on the race.

I’m actually applying my political beliefs to something real. Was his family White trash? Yes, so it appears. But I don’t blame White trash for being what they are. I blame a Judeo-negro kleptocracy which has especially degraded the weakest and most impressionable elements of the White population(it’s poor) into emulating nigger behavior and self destruction.

From everything we’ve learned this boy was failed completely and utterly. From the government to a drug addict mother and (at best) indifferent or shallow father that gave him a gun when he clearly should not have had access to firearms.

Which is an indictment of society. In a just society this boy would never have been in such a hopeless situation, and thus it follows that none of these people would have died.

That doesn’t contradict acknowledging personal responsibility at all.

Or to summarize, I am a bleeding heart when their skin is like mine, and I believe in the harshest possible justice when they are not White.

That’s absolutely consistent with every expressed belief I’ve stated on Kiwifarms.

It’s not a popular belief and it’s not one even internet racists would probably be so quick to actualize but it is coherent and does not deny the guilt of the party involved.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

You got me, I'm a genuine wignat/neo nazi and my empathy only extends to a select group.

I will never recover from being shown as such a hypocrite for having such totally inconsistent principles.

I don't know that there's anything genuine about you other than a genuine need to let go of your precious ideas about who and what you are being any different or better than 99.9% of the world.

Envelope back:
World pop - 8 billion
White - 0.16 (max) x 8 billion = 1.28 billion
White male - 0.50 x 1.28 billion = 640 million
Estimated % (based on US est, wildly higher than elsewhere, but's do it) males with white separatist views - 0.282 x 640 million = 18,048,000
Estimated who sincerely believe in rivers of blood - no idea but I'll do a very generous 50% = 9,024,000

Didn't even subtract out ethnicities considered White in some places (92% of Jews in America, for example. 92% of 2.4%, or about 2.2% of the US population; worldwide about 0.2%).

9.024M/8 billion = 0.1128% of the world. (And just a bit more than half of the worldwide Jewish population, uh oh...).

Very generous numbers. But I'll go with it bc of the potential for people like you positioning yourselves in places to jaundice and inculcate young people.

Now: do the math on how many of them care about you.

Some portion will hate you for having "one drop" of anything other than white blood.

Others will hate your faux intellectualism.

Others will think you're a freak for being unable to attract a mate.

Others will be suspicious of your references to or familiarity with other civilizations.

Others will find you suspicious and hateable for aspiring to an education career (both public schools and - what was it, high-end? or prestigious? private schools).

Others will deem you psycho and broken for whatever "serious trouble" you got in in your freshman year that was serious enough for therapy to be mandated, or whatever in your life that would, per you, get you locked up for first-degree murder in some liberal version of the world.

I can imagine there are other aspects of your person that would strike you from the invitation list, were they to be observed or become known.

None will die for you nor spill blood for you specifically (fair enough, because you and your keyboard aren't on the front lines of your fantasized bloodshed, either).