Debate Ishtar on ethics of school shootings, fathers, CPS

[Ishtar]

Whatever my personal flaws are, and they are many and damning, what this entire incident has revealed is KF users are only different from your average redditor by virtue of not praising troons.

That's it. There is no other difference in either belief or disposition.

The things people are slinging at me in this thread, are basically the same moralisms and petty insults Lucas Sorrenti and Chris Chan throw at KF users. None of you except maybe a few besides myself are capable of thinking outside the conventions you have been trained to follow your entire lives, none of you are capable of even basic restraint or emotional regulation-in a school shooting thread, perhaps the most elegant filter that distinguishes normgroid animality from the reflective capacities of truly human creatures, and none of you are capable of imagining anyone or anything outside the frameworks you have been taught.

I may be a vile spiteful orc, but I am not cattle.

Unlike all of you.

 

[GunCar Gary]

The things people are slinging at me in this thread, are basically the same moralisms and petty insults Lucas Sorrenti and Chris Chan throw at KF users.

“hey maybe this school shooter is a piece of shit regardless of his race”

“YOU’RE ALL SHEEPLE”

lol. lmao

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Whatever my personal flaws are, and they are many and damning, what this entire incident has revealed is KF users are only different from your average redditor by virtue of not praising troons.

This is not Amarna, where saying "TND" works off the assumption that being a nigger is a condition and not a behavior. You may be the most aryan of ubermensch from Agartha, if you act like a nigger, you are one. The fact that you first look into who someone is rather than what they do is the behavior of a redditor.

That's it. There is no other difference in either belief or disposition.

Yes, you are retarded, the others ITT can see it. It's not at all complicated.

The things people are slinging at me in this thread, are basically the same moralisms and petty insults Lucas Sorrenti and Chris Chan throw at KF users. None of you except maybe a few besides myself are capable of thinking outside the conventions you have been trained to follow your entire lives, none of you are capable of even basic restraint or emotional regulation-in a school shooting thread, and none of you are capable of imagining anyone or anything outside the frameworks you have been taught.

I may be a vile spiteful orc, but I am not cattle.

Unlike all of you.

Yes you are cattle, you lack the most basic ability of using reasoning, you work off a single metric: white boy that's not a faggot who shot up a school and killed other whites "he didn't do nuffin', he just had a rough childhood". Nigger literally existing in isolation in the jungles of the Congo: "Reeeeee, this man will destroy the VVest, kill him, TND! TND!" like a little girl that just saw a spider.

There's no depth to your "logic", it isn't even internally consistent with trying to defend whites, since I think that killing three white, normal, socially productive, active members of society, have much more value to them than a single teenager whose anti-social attitudes made him kill them in the first place. You are just jealous that your parents did the bare minimum and were smart enough not to give you a gun, sadly they weren't smart enough to send you to the reservation so that your people beat some sense into you

 

[Trombonista]

Whatever my personal flaws are, and they are many and damning, what this entire incident has revealed is KF users are only different from your average redditor by virtue of not praising troons.

That's it. There is no other difference in either belief or disposition.

The things people are slinging at me in this thread, are basically the same moralisms and petty insults Lucas Sorrenti and Chris Chan throw at KF users. None of you except maybe a few besides myself are capable of thinking outside the conventions you have been trained to follow your entire lives, none of you are capable of even basic restraint or emotional regulation-in a school shooting thread, perhaps the most elegant filter that distinguishes normgroid animality from the reflective capacities of truly human creatures, and none of you are capable of imagining anyone or anything outside the frameworks you have been taught.

I may be a vile spiteful orc, but I am not cattle.

Unlike all of you.

For the record, he's currently upset because I quoted Osomatsu on his profile.

 

[Ishtar]

You know, I stuck with this site when Lucas Sorrenti and twitter trannies were throwing everything and the kitchen sink at it. I publicly praised Null.

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe the troons should have won.

Complete and utter betrayal.

This is not Amarna, where saying "TND" works off the assumption that being a nigger is a condition and not a behavior.

The difference you worthless faggot is I have rejected ML Koon's dictum "content of his character'-a nigger's skin color and their character are equivalent. A White person's may vary. That is genuine White nationalism. You on the other hand believe "niggerdom" is a state of mind, and not the summarized description of a race. Which makes you no different from any Jewish anti racist or mind broken White libtard. You have internalized THE normgroid moral code of the age. I have consciously rejected it.

Yes you are cattle, you lack the most basic ability of using reasoning, you work off a single metric: white boy that's not a faggot who shot up a school and killed other whites "he didn't do nuffin', he just had a rough childhood". Nigger literally existing in isolation in the jungles of the Congo: "Reeeeee, this man will destroy the VVest, kill him, TND! TND!" like a little girl that just saw a spider.

I explained my motive for TND in another thread-and I went through the reasoning point by point. I dare you to actually refute it. That metric is very simple, "I'm with the Whites, because I'm White". Same Napoleon used actually. I never said btw the boy should not be punished or wasn't guilty. I said he was failed by society and perhaps we should contemplate on how society had failed him and endeavor to break the chains of failure from happening again.

Again, like cattle basic nuance escapes you.

 

[Trombonista]

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

You know, I stuck with this site when Lucas Sorrenti and twitter trannies were throwing everything and the kitchen sink at it. I publicly praised Null.

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe the troons should have won.

Complete and utter betrayal.

You damn redskin, you are not even a T&H tag. Also "publically supported", what, did you go around with a megaphone on your hand shouting the words "Keffals is a fraud, Joshua Moon supports a free internet" all over you city?

The difference you worthless faggot is I have rejected ML Koon's dictum "content of his character'-a nigger's skin color and their character are equivalent. A White person's may vary.

If the character of a white person lines up perfectly with the one of a nigger, then what are they?

That is genuine White nationalism. You on the other hand believe "niggerdom" is a state of mind, and not the summarized description of a race. Which makes you no different from any Jewish anti racist or mind broken White libtard. You have internalized THE normgroid moral code of the age. I have consciously rejected it.

No, this is your white nationalism

The difference is that these won't be the people getting genocided by your regime, but rather the ones leading it.

I explained my motive for TND in another thread-and I went through the reasoning point by point. I dare you to actually refute it. That metric is very simple, "I'm with the Whites, because I'm White". Same Napoleon used actually. I never said btw the boy should not be punished or wasn't guilty. I said he was failed by society and perhaps we should contemplate on how society had failed him and endeavor to break the chains of failure from happening again.

Again, like cattle basic nuance escapes you.

Yeah, the resources are depleating yada yada. Now, why should whites engage in a genocidal war aganist niggers just so that said limited resources can be freely spent by human refuse like mass shooters of other white people?

 

[Ishtar]

My perspective to resummarize for anyone reading this abysmal thread.

Non White lives DO NOT matter-I don't just mean this as an edgy slogan, I actually do mean it and apply its meaning consistently.
White children ending up school shooters is primarily a failing of social institutions from the state down to the family-it is not integral to their nature or dispositions. This boy is guilty, obviously but this did not have to happen. It should not have happened. It is a great failing that it happened.
People should let their anger pass and reflect on just where things went so wrong that fourteen-year-old boys shoot up schools (apparently on the second day). Where, what happened? End of religion? Mental health collapse? Glorification of X? Civil rights act? It doesn't matter-what matters is people solemnly ask why this has occurred. As opposed to indulging their base bloodlust.

What I said initially in the thread was perhaps callous and overly channish, which is probably why I got mass reported and triangled, but it was not for the sake of provocation. It is in fact consistent with my prior beliefs stated on KF.

I suppose I could have refrained from the explicit racial angle, which I apologize for having provoked so much angst over, I do not apologize however for asking that people reflect on why society has failed young White boys they engage in this behavior.

A society that loved and cherished its youth and invested in them would not have produced a Colt Gray, and thus these people would be alive.

I accept the judgement of the staff and Null, and if anyone sees this branding as reason to think the worst of me, then I begrudge them not at all.

I do however stand by the core of what I said, however callous or poorly worded the initial phrasing was.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

People should let their anger pass and reflect on just where things went so wrong

You are now literally just using the same slogans that the bong goverment uses whenever a muzzie commits a terrorist attack. If this entire account is just one big trolling op then I must commend Mossad. They managed to shat up three separate forums while assuming the most absurd identity imaginable for a white supremacist. This is a masterplan on par with PreciousLeaf

 

[Balanced Boomer]

Jesus Christ it smells like a Filipino tryhard in here.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Jesus Christ it smells like a Filipino tryhard in here.

Injun, actually. Grandpa had tribal membership and all

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Since you’re a quarter Injun does that mean you, yourself wouldn’t be spared from your lily-white utopia or are one-quarter injuns automatically inducted into the Aryan brotherhood @Ishtar

 

[Ishtar]

You are now literally just using the same slogans that the bong goverment uses whenever a muzzie commits a terrorist attack. If this entire account is just one big trolling op then I must commend Mossad. They managed to shat up three separate forums while assuming the most absurd identity imaginable for a white supremacist. This is a masterplan on par with PreciousLeaf

It might surprise you to learn I think this sort of slogan is useful and valid when its used for and in response to White dysfunction.

I do not believe White people are by nature sociopathic spree killers. Arabs and blacks are by their very cognition savages-for Whites to engage in similar behavior means something has gone wrong. Not that they(as a race) are faulty.

This is entirely consistent with actual White nationalism, as opposed to warmed over "we are equal, individuals can be gud or bad". Which is ultimately what you believe.

Or more simply; Non Whites cannot help what they are, but for Whites to be what they are not means something or someone has failed.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Since you’re a quarter Injun does that mean you, yourself wouldn’t be spared from your lily-white utopia or are one-quarter injuns automatically inducted into the Aryan brotherhood @Ishtar

He's under the delusion that he's gonna be this guy

When in reality not even white nationalist animefags can't stand him

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Jesus Christ it smells like a Filipino tryhard in here.

To be fair my guess was Indian.

This just wasn’t the Indian I was expecting.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

It might surprise you to learn I think this sort of slogan is useful and valid when its used for and in response to White dysfunction.

I do not believe White people are by nature sociopathic spree killers. Arabs and blacks are by their very cognition savages-for Whites to engage in similar behavior means something has gone wrong. Not that they(as a race) are faulty.

This is entirely consistent with actual White nationalism, as opposed to warmed over "we are equal, individuals can be gud or bad". Which is ultimately what you believe.

Or more simply; Non Whites cannot help what they are, but for Whites to be what they are not means something or someone has failed.

Isn't it completely retarded to punish others for something that they can't help, while at the same time forgiving those that should have known better?

 

[Ishtar]

Isn't it completely retarded to punish others for something that they can't help, while at the same time forgiving those that should have known better?

Not at all. Blacks for example are a danger to society and a menace to any progress. One can pity them, but the same way you do pity a rabid dog or a cockroach. Colt Gray didn't know better-and that's where society failed. Even two generations ago, he would have had a relatively healthy home life, a solid moral foundation and at least some prospects even if it was menial labor.

I don't blame a child for bad manners or flagrant disrespect-if things have gotten that bad then their parents have failed in their jobs. The same applies here. White boys don't go on petty rampages unless they have been failed, if only in being appropriately disciplined. The boy's father gave him a gun, after the feds chatted him up-this is perhaps worse than the drug addict mother. His father should never have let him be close to firearms and firmly warned him against making threats, if only for his own self interest.

Was he perhaps irredeemable waste? I don't know him, maybe he is. But he did surrender when most school shooters don't, and regardless-this incident should not have happened if lower class Whites were not disintegrating into the morass of nigger behavior and dysfunction.

You seem to think that because I indict society I condone what he did or somehow am glorifying it. But that boy did not grow up in a vacuum, and he did not grow up in an environment remotely conducive to virtue forming habits or pro social norms.

And that is not his fault.

Its really not that complicated. Nor is it denying his individual responsibility.

To just show everyone my take(beyond the racial point) is not fringe, here is a NYT article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/us/georgia-school-shooter-family-problems.html

Troubled family-eviction, lax father, drug addict mother, instability everywhere.

Liberals in the comment section are making more informed and compassionate comments than people here.

This boy was systematically failed from top to bottom. Some people apparently think responsibility and societal failure are inverse concepts where one negates the other, but this is absurd. Individual actions are the products of that which proceeds them.

To quote, an NBC article

"Colin Gray said his son was “picked on” and physically pinched by his classmates at his last middle school. The apparent bullying prompted the father to speak with the school’s administrators multiple times out of his own frustration.

“I don’t want him to fight anybody, but they just keep, like, pinching him and touching him,” he said, according to the transcript. “Words are one thing, but you start touching him and that’s a whole different deal.”

Colin Gray said the conflict “escalated.” He said his son, who gets “flustered” under pressure, couldn’t focus on his finals and said he wanted to move out of the school district.

“He should be excited about getting into eighth grade,” his father said. “It was just very difficult for him to go to school.”

In response to questions from the investigator, Colin Gray said he had weapons at home that were accessible to his son but that were not loaded."

Yeah, I'm not apologizing for expressing compassion here. My initial intuitions have been vindicated.

 

[Balanced Boomer]

Why does this quarter-native nigger mongrel think it's qualified to speak to white people problems? All these fucking mutts trying to fake being purebred is so tiresome.

 

[Ishtar]

I see no one has engaged with the substance of anything I've said, just moral condemnations, bringing up my Cherokee ancestry(I don't even think I qualify for tribal membership, and again it doesn't matter), and just rehashing past posts I've made, making this a referendum on me.

 

[assigned Karen at birth]

Most people on this site are basically embarassed normies, herd cattle that for whatever reason can't exercise their sadism and repressed violent urges in RL. This site wouldn't exist if it wasn't fulfilling a need unmet-that being unexpressed sadism and a need to hate and an acceptable object to hate....
I on the other hand am not here primarily to bully weirdos or dance to herd mooing rituals. None of you would dare say what you have said to me in public, and none of you would even use the word "troon" in your place of employment.

I on the other hand am not just a disgruntled normie that doesn't have an outlet for his hatred. I'm here for free speech and debate.

I guess that isn't the site's real purpose. It's to give disgruntled cattle a space to moo in peace.

It's true, Kiwi Farms posters are often sex-havers with steady jobs and loving families, just looking for a safe place to laugh at trannies without jeopardizing said jobs which feed said families. Many such cases!

I admire your, uh, passion I guess, but you come across as a grandiose, humorless and sexually frustrated young male overestimating your own intelligence and seething at people who have just a bit more life experience than you do; I'm afraid it is you who is the Redditor in this equation. But that's cool, I say wear your pink triangle with pride and keep on posting! I've never "reported" anyone on this site and I'm not about to start with you. I'd say you're fitting in great with the schtick-posters like that Hulk Hogan guy and Android Raptor (PBUH); you've got their dogged commitment to a single retarded take that gets people's hackles up and always generates lots of LOLs.

You know, I stuck with this site when Lucas Sorrenti and twitter trannies were throwing everything and the kitchen sink at it. I publicly praised Null.

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe the troons should have won.

Complete and utter betrayal.

Best of luck with your transition!