Apalachee Highschool Shooting in Georgia on September 4th, 2024

Otterly said:
Ok so the law he broke was supplying a gun to a child or supplying one to someone he shouldn’t. Charge him for that. If the kid is charged as an adult then that means the father is being tried for him still being a minor. Father is clearly a piece of shit, whole family are, charge them for the child neglect.

Also (I am not American so want to clarify) people in this thread have talked about the rifles they had as kids. Presumably they were bought for them by parents? Or were they owned by the parent and used by the child? How are minors using guns at all if they cannot be given them or use family ones?
I am very uneasy with someone else being charged for the actual crime. This is not a precedent I want to see. Crack down more on neglect before this happens but n. Korean style ‘three generations get the gulag for your crime’ is not compatible with freedom or civilisation

Now of if comes out that the father knew what he was planning, that IS accessory. Let’s see why the local law enforcement was warned when they moved into the area.
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Since it's illegal for a child under 18 to buy a gun, technically and legally, they're always owned by the parents and just used by the child. However, it's not that unusual for a parent to buy a rifle specifically for their child's use. It's a little more unusual for a parent to buy a handgun for their child's use, but it does happen for families who do competition target shooting. The parent tells the child it's their gun, the child considers it their possession, but legally it's not: it is registered to, and belongs to, the parent.

It's not illegal for a child to use a family gun. The laws vary state by state about whether it's illegal for the child to use it without adult supervision. It's just illegal for the child to murder people with the gun.

Holding the parents legally liable for their children's actions is a relatively new legal twist of dubious constitutionally imho. Seems like the law is mostly used against people who don't have the financial means to fight it all the way to the supreme court. Nor do gun advocacy groups the the NRA or lawyers want to defend the school shooter's parents pro bono because it's not a good look. There are quite a few precedences though.
 
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Justsomecicada said:
It very well could be, the alternative however is to believe something truly horrific is going on and I have too much faith in humanity for that.
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I'm glad that's never happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States (archive.ph)
StarDog said:
The root issue is that these kids are absolutely fucked in the head, over-stimulated with content, are completely unsympathetic because of the age of media, have a warped sense of reality from being chronically online, have shitty millennial parents, and are so god damn confused about themselves because of all the “acceptance” fuckery that’s happening in the world.
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See this news from last month that's a prime example. 11yo and already a swatter, sextortionist, and cat beheading and cat boiling videos were found on his devices.
11-Year-Old Virginia Boy with Disturbing Profile Arrested Over Spate of Swatting Calls to Flagler Schools in May
 
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StarDog said:
The root issue is that these kids are absolutely fucked in the head, over-stimulated with content, are completely unsympathetic because of the age of media, have a warped sense of reality from being chronically online, have shitty millennial parents, and are so god damn confused about themselves because of all the “acceptance” fuckery that’s happening in the world
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Yeah I really think this is true. There is no core of identity and belief any more. What’s right and wrong is what the state and media tell you and that changes weekly. Equality turns to equity, and if you say equality you’re backwards and cancelled. Words change meaning constantly. Reality is denied completely - I genuinely believe troons are a tool used to break people. If you can believe absurdities you can commit atrocities. Saying a man can be a woman and attacking those who deny this is literally 1984-style how many lights are there? You’ve got the bulk of the public denying a reality they know AND attacking those who point out reality.

They are breaking people’s minds. Everything is too fast and too stimulating. One of the Indiana jones movies came in over Christmas and we thought the kids would enjoy it. They all said it was slow and boring - when I watched that as a kid it was rollercoaster fast. Kids are overstimulated massively.

We cannot be mentally healthy like this. We need slow time, quiet time, time outdoors in nature. We need to engage with reality. We have to have a core of something we believe, both spiritually and I’d say also ‘stuff right in front of you.’ But if reality is denied and men are women, what the fuck is real? Anything can be real. Make your own reality if have it imposed upon you regardless of how it warps you.
Older people know what’s real. Kids are still processing. I remember mine when they were little asking ‘are werewolves real?’ No. But wolves are real? Yes. They are still categorising the world and they’re being fed faulty data. You add in parents constantly at work, who don’t parent well, and SSRIs and antipsychotics and the toxic food, and being locked down for months on ends and I am amazed any kids are sane at all.

Its very worrying. We can’t keep on like this, something has to change
 
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clipartfan92 said:
See this news from last month that's a prime example. 11yo and already a swatter, sextortionist, and cat beheading and cat boiling videos were found on his devices.
11-Year-Old Virginia Boy with Disturbing Profile Arrested Over Spate of Swatting Calls to Flagler Schools in May
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I remember your thread on this and the crosspost into the Gen Z Sadism thread. There were some speculations into who this kid was specifically and what groups he was affiliated with.

Back to the topic of the thread, more details have emerged about the investigation into Colt Gray in 2023.

From the Washington Post:

Documents released by the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office show the online threats of a school shooting that led police to question Colt Gray and his father last May. “im committing a mass shooting, and im waiting a good 2-3 years,” a user, who went by the name “Lanza” written in Russian, wrote in a chatroom in Discord, a social media platform popular with gamers. Adam Lanza killed 26 people during the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Connecticut in 2012. The user described his own plans to target an elementary school, while posting anti-LGBTQ+ and antisemitic views. “let me give you an example of why I’m doing this,” the user wrote, posting a photo of a family holding signs showing support for their trans daughter. “I need to put an end to that. … im on the edge of a lgbtq massacre” The person posted photos of guns. Other users in the chatroom, called servers on Discord, encouraged the idea. “Do it,” wrote one user, who later urged the would-be shooter to record the act and also suggested targeting a synagogue. An anonymous tipster sent screenshots of the messages to the FBI, who forwarded them to the Jackson County Sherriff’s Office, the records show. Officers traced an email address associated with the Discord account to Colt Gray, the records show. But when they questioned Colt and his father Colin Gray in May 2023, Colin Gray said that neither he nor his son was familiar with the email address. Colt Gray also said that he had deleted his Discord account months earlier partly because people had hacked into his account.
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It says 'documents released by Jackson County Sherrif's Office'. Are these available? It says that he was egged on by other users. Specific details of the communities he was engaging in would be extremely helpful. I can take some guesses but they're essentially useless without further information.
 
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The kid had a TikTok. He posted University of Idaho killer worship.

Anyway, maybe the Zoomers don’t know — but teasing weird kids (especially boys) by calling them gay when you knew full well they weren’t actually gay was normal for Millennials and older generations.

Gay was just our word for retarded, weird, stupid.
 
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I think we will see a lot more coverage in this case because this is what people expect a school shooter to be like - male, white, poor, shitty parents, gun loving rednecks, etc…but I don’t think there has been one like that since Michael Carneal in Paducah, KY in 1997.

Carneal and Gray seem to have a lot in common btw, both 14 at the time of the murders too. Called gay, misfit, thought his parents didn’t love him, poor.

As an adult in prison Carneal was Dx with schizophrenia but might have been exhibiting prodromal symptoms at 14.
 
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CNN changed up the way they worded Gray's opinions on trannies but I'm still not really sold this is the factual information either because this could be damage control to some degree since pundits ran with this. Do we have any more clearer information?
https://archive.is/qD3lE "expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people"
https://archive.is/01eU5 "expressed frustration that transgender people were being accepted in society"
 
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Metaphysics said:
CNN changed up the way they worded Gray's opinions on trannies but I'm still not really sold this is the factual information either because this could be damage control to some degree since pundits ran with this. Do we have any more clearer information?
https://archive.is/qD3lE "expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people"
https://archive.is/01eU5 "expressed frustration that transgender people were being accepted in society"
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I also saw the change in wording and I am also skeptical of the kid being a troonhater. He could be, but that glamourous mane he grew and kept conditioned gives me androgynous vibes. Waiting to see if someone in that discord leaks screenshots of his words.

I think CNN saw the conservative reaction to their ambiguous statement and flogged their editor to assume the kid was a practitioner of WrongThink until proven otherwise.
 
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ShitLurker said:
I swear I'm not asking this to push narratives, but was Colt a tranny lover or hater? Because I've read both things and I'm confused as all hell at this point.
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I think it's something a little more complex. I was listening to some random teenagers bullshitting on a cruise while on vacation this summer and they're all fed up with the culture war bullshit, on both sides. They think adults are retarded and they seemed pretty angry that their family and friends are so divisive on issues.

I actually kind of related to their complaints, and I think adults should start listening to their kids more often.
 
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namelesstacotruck said:
What do your eyes tell you when you see pictures of the shooter?
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My brain screams "TROON" but for all I know faggot hair is the next iteration of brocolli hair.
mailfrawd said:
I think it's something a little more complex. I was listening to some random teenagers bullshitting on a cruise while on vacation this summer and they're all fed up with the culture war bullshit, on both sides. They think adults are retarded and they seemed pretty angry that their family and friends are so divisive on issues.

I actually kind of related to their complaints, and I think adults should start listening to their kids more often.
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So for all we know it's the dad saying what he thinks when the psycho was just saying "I'm sick of culture war stuff" without going into specifics?

Could be. This one is gonna be muddled as fuck since both sides of the culture war seem to have shit to point to and this is the best school shooting to grandstand in years, so isn't likely to be left to pass by the muckcrackers in the press. Basically, I expect a lot more of this in the media than the fucking Trump assassination.
 
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mailfrawd said:
I think it's something a little more complex. I was listening to some random teenagers bullshitting on a cruise while on vacation this summer and they're all fed up with the culture war bullshit, on both sides. They think adults are retarded and they seemed pretty angry that their family and friends are so divisive on issues.

I actually kind of related to their complaints, and I think adults should start listening to their kids more often.
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Welcome to the Gen X'ers circa 1978-1988. We grew up in the shadow on the insane stupid radical bullying hippies. We hated every fucking one of them. Especially the fucking teachers. All of them seeking the renewed endorphin rush of finding some new revolutionary cause to protest over. Exactly like Antifa and the cancel culture shit stains. Save the Whales, worship Nelson Mandella, etc. It often gets missed that Reagan won the youth vote. Because we hated the bullying assholes that had come before us who refused to grow up, move on, or just leave us the fuck alone.
 
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namelesstacotruck said:
What do your eyes tell you when you see pictures of the shooter?
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I see feathered, bleached blond hair on a teenage boy; if he were older, I'd assume he were a sophisticated faggot into glam rock, but since he's fucking fourteen, I haven't the foggiest notion.
 
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Slightly related - something like 10+ kids are calling in gun/shooting threats to schools nearby Barrow County for reasons as small as "not wanting to go into school that week".

Part of it feels like zoomie/social media retardation, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a push from California money types to highlight a non issue (kids being retards online) to push a gun control narrative in a pretty pro gun state. Pretty absurd when you take into account kids in inner cities posting videos of themselves at school basketball games carrying pistols with switches openly and facing little to no repercussions.
 
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I'm a Silly said:
I see feathered, bleached blond hair on a teenage boy; if he were older, I'd assume he were a sophisticated faggot into glam rock, but since he's fucking fourteen, I haven't the foggiest notion.
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Long growing out hair i could buy. But bleaching it too along with femine features pushes it to trans.

They make males cut their hair in jail/prison so if he continues to have long hair we will get an answer for troon or not.
 
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