Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[TwinPeaksEnjoyer]

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Frog Tony is ripshit pissed that Vito judged his coloring book comic as unworthy.
Unlike the majesty of Super Killer, Frogman or Frog Man, Froggan? (I dunno)... Is lacking in the visual presentation department.
Vito even went after Tony in a Discord they're both occupying.

The frozen winds have begun to blow...
Winter... is coming.

I'm surprise no one caught this but during this stream Vito believe that Riley was a danger to Eric July and Diddler Dax was seething calling him a "fraud".

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[Incecticyder]

The reason why Nina got yeeted is because she doesn't know shit about shit. She constantly derailed the conversational flow of The Real BBC, because every time the rest of the guys wanted to start talking about something either current or from the good old days of geek culture, they'd have to spend forever explaining it was to her. I guess she likes anime, but she seems like a borderline fake geek girl.

The other factor was the constant negative feedback from members of the Real BBC audience who couldn't stand her. This criticism went on for months in the chat and in the comments section. Love him or hate him, Gary of Nerdrotic is savvy enough about customer service to take his audience opinions seriously. There are guests who have shown up on FNT that the audience has despised, and Gary has almost always apologized to his audience for them and not invited them back.

You could argue that she would be more useful in a more anime focused video but they are rare.

The difference is that like so many other creators, EVS and others think they're apart, above, and better than their audiences. They don't see things in terms of Us, they see things in terms of I and Those People. A lot of the Fellowship come from retail and customer service backgrounds. They understand customer relations. Many artists are pretensious misanthropes, socially awkward, and prone to jealousy (I've met several of these types in my lifetime). EVS and others are not fellow fans, they only care about the audience in terms of them validating their artistic egos.

Interesting. So, in your opinion, the switch in Zack began when he started seeing himself as more of a creator as opposed to customer.

 

[Stupor Mario]

Interesting. So, in your opinion, the switch in Zack began when he started seeing himself as more of a creator as opposed to customer.

Zack's fall from grace is bizarre to me, but I guess it's apparently more of an unmasking than a fall. Like others, I always assumed Zack was one of the real ones. Not the most popular, not a guy who really knew how to play the game or how to play to an audience and become a big star, but a guy who stuck to his principles and opinions. But, now that Zack has gone full hypocrite with his bitter, anti-anti-SJW attacks of more popular YouTubers and their fans, when I look back at some of Zack's decisions, I do see that artistic creator ego as part of his downfall.

Zack abandoning his popular Jawbreakers for more "artistic" projects demonstrates (at least to me) his contempt for his fans. He never wanted to be a humble hot dog merchant. That bored him. He wants to fulfill his own sense of self-fulfillment or whatever. When you start to grow an audience for something, and then suddenly decide to stop catering to them, it demonstrates contempt and indifference. (I know everything EVS says is suspect, but I remember EVS commenting on Zack and Zack's new direction in comics years ago, and according to EVS, Zack declared to him that he was no longer interested in making comics as popular entertainment, he was interested in being an Artiste.)

I see this same contempt for audience in Zack now turning on the people who knew him as a voice against woke ideology in media. People like him and EVS think the audience exists for them and not the other way around. They think that they don't have to care about what the audience cares about, because what they care about is the only thing that matters. They take their audience for granted as their loyal subjects who are obligated to support them. If you expect your audience to cater to you instead of being concerned about catering to your audience, prepare for failure.

 

[WanTuTreeForr]

The difference is that like so many other creators, EVS and others think they're apart, above, and better than their audiences.

Which is why you've seen CG go from serious creators with actual goals of producing counter culture media to nothing more than 50 year old wannabe Keemstars who are still waiting for their "big break" on the drama side of YouTube. EVS has to constantly lower the bar of who he surrounds himself with because he must be the biggest fish in a small radioactive pond. To my gamers, EVS is the guy who is only good at a videogame when hes playing against people who dont play videogames or know how to play the game. The second he plays someone on his own skill level or higher, he gets completely outclassed and is forced to acknowledge who he really is, not who he pretends to be online. No longer can he be around people with real respect and practice what they preach, because they'll see right through him and he cant BS his way through them. Everyone nowadays looks at CG the same way real gamblers look at EVS tell his gambling stories, they hear EVS talk about winning these vague amounts of money in even vaguer ways and they just tilt their head and go "Bro you sound like you are full of shit". So instead of improving himself and living up to his own self proclaims ideals, he just finds bigger talentless retards who are more easily impressed. Which oddly enough has him hanging out with self proclaimed pedophiles, dog dick lovers, lolicon lovers("I like seeing images of little girls getting fucked" were his exact words) and literal special needs people. Insert NuCG. In these nuCG circles, EVS is quite literally and figuratively the "most famous" person Katy or FagTony have ever talked to. They feel like they are a big deal since they are talking to former DC artist EVS. EVS likes this dichotomy. But the bigger picture being, CG is getting smaller, dumber, and more degenerate at an accelerated rate. Because that's who Shane, EVS, Malin, and Mandy have to be surrounded with inorder to feel special but more importantly smart. They are like the Ukraine resorting to putting people with downs syndrome on the front lines in their war because they literally have nobody else. Except they have to fucking stream with them LOL

 

[Grunka Lunka]

I'm surprise no one caught this but during this stream Vito believe that Riley was a danger to Eric July and Diddler Dax was seething calling him a "fraud".
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Then there is this little tidbit.

https://x.com/studentofgodd/status/1833879017499373786

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Nerdrotic got called out by Mark Hamill's ex-daughter-in-law. That was over Mark Hamill asking this woman to abort her child that she had made with Hamill's son. Gary liked to use that as a sledgehammer on Mark, and I guess Grandpa Luke went and cried about it to the mother of his unwanted grandchild---and she directly called Nerdrotic out and asked him to stop mentioning it.

If I recall this was over the Miss Piggy stuff some months back. Basically some people that were saying it's OK to go after Gary's wife also messaged/Tweeted Hamill's daughter in law about Gary going after Mark through her. I believe the end result was he messaged or Tweeted to her that he'll stop.

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he gets completely outclassed and is forced to acknowledge who he really is

With EVS, there is a line from the movie Nixon that I think of a lot..."When they look at you, they see what they want to be. When they look at me, they see what they are."

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Watching yesterday's MATI replay and realized Ana Kasparian's endorsement of Kiwi Farms was on Adam Friended's show! Remember when Friended used to be regular on EVS's streams? I guess he moved on to bigger things since kicking Frog to the curb. Imagine being a former world-famous artist and being surpassed by Adam fucking Friended.

[EDIT: found a better clip]

 

[Mr Processor]

Zack is getting weird in his old age. He continues to say the Critical Drinker doesn't watch the movies he talks about, and he's on this new kick where "right wing humor is going to cost us the election." I wasn't aware he was running for office.

I think his channel used to be about comic books, but I guess he's chasing that broader culture war grift money now.

 

[Fleetwood]

Watching yesterday's MATI replay and realized Ana Kasparian's endorsement of Kiwi Farms was on Adam Friended's show! Remember when Friended used to be regular on EVS's streams? I guess he moved on to bigger things since kicking Frog to the curb. Imagine being a former world-famous artist and being surpassed by Adam fucking Friended.

[EDIT: found a better clip]

Someone will have to ask adam friended if he's still with EVS in 2024 post Eric July obsession but he was still comicsgate when asked last year I think. He probably just realized having those type of comic book autism guests didn't do numbers. I even see a CG Slum regular Tree Goblin in his chat in that thumbnail. In the true spirit of comicsgate his 2021 Indiegogo for a 48 page graphic novel is still not delivered, it's at the printers!

I think his channel used to be about comic books, but I guess he's chasing that broader culture war grift money now.

He seems to be running away from it not chasing! He ran and hid from it years ago and this is all just some flailing before the final death of his business.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

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I think his channel used to be about comic books, but I guess he's chasing that broader culture war grift money now.

I think he's just mad at himself because all his culture war shit cost him a chance of ever working in mainstream comics but he's still smart enough to know that if he attacks CG directly, meaning EVS, he'll cost himself what customers and audience he has left. Lashing out at the entertainment grifters is really all he can do at this point without losing his gay sidejob.

 

[Grumpus]

Horseman revealed for release tomorrow, wasn't this due for summer? Don't feel like summer lol

 

[Captain Manning]

No one tell EVS that Digibro by his own words is "a huge fan of illustrations of little girls getting fucked"

If he sees no problem with Vito, I doubt he'd see a problem with Digibro.

EVS has abandoned all quality control in terms of who gets to be CG now. To whatever extent he ever had any. The only pertinent question for EVS these days is: "Will you attack Eric July for me?"

There was, for a while a bit of speculation that Nina Infinity got ejected from the Fellowship because she didn't play the flirty-flirt game with AZ.

I would have thought it was because they looked at her failed cosplay calendar and said DO NOT WANT.

Seriously, if AZ wanted that, he needs glasses.

I think it was Rickieta that got her YEETED out of FNT, just like it got her YEETED out of Flash's circle.

Absolutely no idea where you're getting that from. Rekieta has also promoted the aforementioned Nina Infinity cosplay calendar. Like Ana, Nina still seems very much Team Balldo. She's defended him after the arrest. She also chose EVS over Flash.

I'm surprise no one caught this but during this stream Vito believe that Riley was a danger to Eric July and Diddler Dax was seething calling him a "fraud".
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You know shit's bad when Vito is the voice of reason. This is now the second time this week. The first time was when he (correctly) pointed out Frog Tony's book looks like shit.

 

[SargonF00t]

Seriously, if AZ wanted that, he needs glasses.

Beggars can't be choosers.

AZZ looks like a hairless albino gorilla.

 

[Incecticyder]

I think he's just mad at himself because all his culture war shit cost him a chance of ever working in mainstream comics but he's still smart enough to know that if he attacks CG directly, meaning EVS, he'll cost himself what customers and audience he has left. Lashing out at the entertainment grifters is really all he can do at this point without losing his gay sidejob.

That is retarded. He cannot attack EVS so he attacks the people that he shares the fanbase with AS WELL AS THE FANBASE? What do they put in the water?

 

[Miniluv]

So, in your opinion, the switch in Zack began when he started seeing himself as more of a creator as opposed to customer.

Zack abandoning his popular Jawbreakers for more "artistic" projects demonstrates (at least to me) his contempt for his fans. He never wanted to be a humble hot dog merchant. That bored him. He wants to fulfill his own sense of self-fulfillment or whatever. When you start to grow an audience for something, and then suddenly decide to stop catering to them, it demonstrates contempt and indifference.

This can all be traced back to dropping the Waid lawsuit. I'm sure he got a fair amount of backlash from quite a few of the CG faithful for wasting a fuckton of their money. It didn't help matters that he apparently agreed to terms that would prevent him from talking about why he wasted their money. That was when he stopped going on streams and began separating himself from CG. I think the shit he took from CG retards made him sour on everything that had to do with the movement, including whatever passed for its first principles. This is how he went from hot dog vendor to "artists are obligated to use their art as a platform for their stupid opinions".

I believe Zack's shift in outlook and attitude stems from his resentment for what he perceives as taking a giant L on behalf of Comicsgate. Of course, it's not CG's fault that Zack decided to sue Mark Waid and it's definitely not their fault he completely cucked the lawsuit, but Zack has to blame somebody and he damn sure isn't about to engage in some pussy shit like self-reflection.

I think he's just mad at himself because all his culture war shit cost him a chance of ever working in mainstream comics but he's still smart enough to know that if he attacks CG directly, meaning EVS, he'll cost himself what customers and audience he has left. Lashing out at the entertainment grifters is really all he can do at this point without losing his gay sidejob.

Well, yeah. If he flat out disavows Ethan, his remaining audience will wither away. If Ethan says Zack is an unperson, same thing. The core 4-500 dents that constantly bail his campaigns out are probably CG diehards that don't watch his videos regularly but do get e-mails from Zack begging them to drag his ass over the finish line again. Zack and Ethan seem to have this weird détente happening where Ethan will only mention Zack if asked, and even then it's usually a vague thing about how he doesn't really get Zack but wishes him well and Zack never speaks Ethan's name.

Ethan claims Zack is his friend so won't trash him yet has burned almost every bridge he can in the space, even with people he said were friends.
Zack won't disavow Ethan even though EVS is the Temu version of a Zero and stands for everything Zack now despises.
A Zack/Ethan schism is bad news only for Zack and he knows it. He has to grit his teeth and accept that his career is pretty much in Ethan's hands.

Nothing may come of it, but we don't know who Ethan's next target will be after the Rippa stuff dies out and an anti-Zack arc would probably bring the views.

 

[Incecticyder]

This can all be traced back to dropping the Waid lawsuit. I'm sure he got a fair amount of backlash from quite a few of the CG faithful for wasting a fuckton of their money. It didn't help matters that he apparently agreed to terms that would prevent him from talking about why he wasted their money. That was when he stopped going on streams and began separating himself from CG. I think the shit he took from CG retards made him sour on everything that had to do with the movement, including whatever passed for its first principles. This is how he went from hot dog vendor to "artists are obligated to use their art as a platform for their stupid opinions".

It sucks that we did not get the satisfying ending we hoped with the lawsuit. I think there are things that are beyond his control though. I get the questioning got to him and made him bitter. He wanted better as well which is why I cut him some slack. But going back on his principles and attacking his audience is on him though. I was going to cut him some slack for that too because Ed Piskor had died, his taste in movies was a joke and I thought he would get over it eventually. Video after video attacking his audience and allies that stood by him through everything was too much for many. Fuck that.

I believe Zack's shift in outlook and attitude stems from his resentment for what he perceives as taking a giant L on behalf of Comicsgate. Of course, it's not CG's fault that Zack decided to sue Mark Waid and it's definitely not their fault he completely cucked the lawsuit, but Zack has to blame somebody and he damn sure isn't about to engage in some pussy shit like self-reflection.

To be fair, Zack was between a rock and a hard place. He could either sue and lose money and time even with a positive outcome or he could stay put and watch as the cancel mob destroyed his and his allies businesses preventing them from making money. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Nothing may come of it, but we don't know who Ethan's next target will be after the Rippa stuff dies out and an anti-Zack arc would probably bring the views.

I do not think he would go after Zack though. Neither has big enough kahunas to start a fight with the other. A war between them will hurt both in ways they cannot afford. Anything that could be said about one can be said about the other. Chances are that they know that if something happens, their fanbases will turn on both of them since both men have been on thin ice with large portions of the collective anti-woke fanbase. No one wants to be the spark that will light the match. I think Zack would lose the fight since Ethan has networked better but both of them stem to lose as neither will look pretty after all the receipts are shown.

 

[WanTuTreeForr]

Horseman revealed for release tomorrow, wasn't this due for summer? Don't feel like summer lol

Must be nice. Its still 100+ degrees over here

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Someone will have to ask adam friended if he's still with EVS in 2024 post Eric July obsession but he was still comicsgate when asked last year I think. He probably just realized having those type of comic book autism guests didn't do numbers. I even see a CG Slum regular Tree Goblin in his chat in that thumbnail. In the true spirit of comicsgate his 2021 Indiegogo for a 48 page graphic novel is still not delivered, it's at the printers!
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He seems to be running away from it not chasing! He ran and hid from it years ago and this is all just some flailing before the final death of his business.

It cracks me up to no end that Adam Friended is pulling notable mainstream household-name guests and all EVS has left is Vito.

 

[Contemptive Court]

Zack abandoning his popular Jawbreakers for more "artistic" projects demonstrates (at least to me) his contempt for his fans. He never wanted to be a humble hot dog merchant. That bored him. He wants to fulfill his own sense of self-fulfillment or whatever.

I think the attempt to make pseud comics could have gone well for him in terms of artistic satisfaction, and not been a complete financial embarrassment, if he had kept a sense of proportion. Having an artsy fartsy nerd piece every 4th or 5th campaign is fine, if you are actually keeping up with the fulfillment of the comics people want and hitting your goals of audience retention.

He obviously envisioned his company as a miniaturized version of the Big 2, specifically his beloved Marvel. And those companies do publish artsy stuff that enhances their prestige and gets them word of mouth. But even ignoring the huge economy of scale difference between Zack and Marvel: the overwhelming majority of Marvel's output every month always has been trash for the dumbest motherfuckers who can read. If Marvel wants to include some Netflix pitches (in RCM's amusing coinage) in its monthly run of 100 books, that's great. But even Marvel would get a visit from Bob Iger and security if they replaced most of the company's McDonalds titles with high concept pitches.

Of course, the real problem isn't even how many lukewarm, under-criticized babies he produced. It's that he spurned his audience on the regular cadence and timely delivery of the books they actually wanted to buy, what most industries would call "the fucking business of his company." You can indulge in artistic fulfillment to your heart's content as long as you're also giving the people what they want.

Zack is getting weird in his old age. He continues to say the Critical Drinker doesn't watch the movies he talks about, and he's on this new kick where "right wing humor is going to cost us the election." I wasn't aware he was running for office.

Is Zack aware that he's only seeing that latter video because YT has him flagged as a conservative, or at least a middle aged male with hopeless nostalgia?

Is Zack also aware that real "right-wing humor" is not allowed on any of the sites that he refreshes constantly?

Is he further aware that he's spent the last five years furiously banning any person for even obliquely posting right wing humor?

In these nuCG circles, EVS is quite literally and figuratively the "most famous" person Katy or FagTony have ever talked to.

Goddamn, that's depressing. You'd think if that were something you cared about, your first priority would be to trade up. I guess some have.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Zack is getting weird in his old age. He continues to say the Critical Drinker doesn't watch the movies he talks about, and he's on this new kick where "right wing humor is going to cost us the election." I wasn't aware he was running for office.

How does he figure that? Drinker does beat for beat summaries of the plot as the core of his reviews and usually spends a hour going over a film on his podcast. It would be easy to say his reviews are derivative and the same no matter the film. But I don't get the impression that he's not watching the film in question.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

How does he figure that? Drinker does beat for beat summaries of the plot as the core of his reviews and usually spends a hour going over a film on his podcast. It would be easy to say his reviews are derivative and the same no matter the film. But I don't get the impression that he's not watching the film in question.

Clearly if he had watched the movie he would know how great it is like Zach does.

You know, now I wonder if Zach really has a valid point buried in his rants somewhere but just can't find the words to articulate it so it all comes off petty and nonsensical but his brains are scrambled so this is just the best he can do.